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 martin2412  Living The Dream 26 Sep 19 8.21pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The job of any Parliament is NOT to give people what they want, but what they need. The job of the electorate is to choose that Parliament and to change it if what they are given is not, upon reflection, seen to have been the best choice. Populism appeals to the worst instincts of society. Greed and selfishness being primary examples. And how are the people able to change parliament if the opposition won't agree to an election when offered ?
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 26 Sep 19 8.47pm |
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Originally posted by martin2412
And how are the people able to change parliament if the opposition won't agree to an election when offered ? You're wasting time debating with this clown. You could argue the sun rises every morning & he'll argue it doesn't. File under 'Smart Ass' or 'Know all'
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jeeagles  26 Sep 19 9.01pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The gall of the Labour party for criticising Boris for his language.
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Teddy Eagle  26 Sep 19 9.17pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The job of any Parliament is NOT to give people what they want, but what they need. The job of the electorate is to choose that Parliament and to change it if what they are given is not, upon reflection, seen to have been the best choice. Populism appeals to the worst instincts of society. Greed and selfishness being primary examples. The theory of the wisdom of crowds suggests that with 100,000 people for every MP they might sometimes be better able to judge what is best for them.
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 becky over the moon 26 Sep 19 9.21pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
You hard right pseudo-patriots still at it ? 😆 Yes of course Brexit led by a bunch of entitled buffoons taking the piss of you is still a good idea for the UK 😄 I see migration from African and Asian countries is up. Just what you’d hoped for, what ? Ah well - blind leading the blind Hey! Good to see you Kermie.....
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 9.25pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
With respect, I am reminded of a word used by Johnson yesterday - "Humbug". I certainly do not accept your line of argument in relation to "Condoning" and "Compassion". Apropos the MPs judgement, Labour would have opposed ANY deal that May had agreed with the EU for their own party political ends.Accordingly one could argue that they are using their "best judgement" to deliver what they believe is in their own and their party's best interests.This is my view which differs from yours but as ever I respect your view and don't feel it necessary to use words like "Fails to recognise" in order to strengthen my case. I would be delighted to continue this debate tonight but I have arranged a tipple with a local Conservative councillor ! Have a good evening. Edited by Willo (26 Sep 2019 7.18pm) Not to condone something is to condemn those who do it. Compassion is directed at those who suffer from it. I condemn the Labour party's approach every bit as much as you. They have failed to do their job as MPs but that doesn't change the job of MPs. Enjoy your drink. My local County Councillor is an independent and does a thoroughly good job, free of any need to look over his shoulder. He thinks we were mad to vote to leave the EU because of the level of support that we get locally.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 9.54pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
You don't "split" it. People want different things, just reading the posts here tells you that. Some shout it constantly, others not at all. Everyone though matter equally. It's Parliament's job to listen to the arguments, blank out the noise, and then make the decisions. No-one knew what Brexit actually meant because the complexity had not been identified, let alone discussed. Remaining within the EU would certainly involve evolutionary change but every important step is under our total control as to whether we agree or not. You ought always cast your vote in a GE. That's where it really matters.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 10.03pm |
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Originally posted by martin2412
And how are the people able to change parliament if the opposition won't agree to an election when offered ? The government don't control the timetable. Parliament will now decide the timing of the next GE. It will take place when the risk of a no deal exit has been removed for good.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 10.14pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
You're wasting time debating with this clown. You could argue the sun rises every morning & he'll argue it doesn't. File under 'Smart Ass' or 'Know all' Strange that! The sun rises has risen every morning in my life and will tomorrow, I confidently predict. But of course this "smart ass know it all" might be wrong. Convince me!
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cpfc_chap  koh samui 26 Sep 19 10.18pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The government don't control the timetable. Parliament will now decide the timing of the next GE. It will take place when the risk of a no deal exit has been removed for good. So what happens when a majority leave wins the next ge namely brexit and Tories combined surely they'll just revoke taking no deal off the table?
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| Teddy Eagle 26 Sep 19 10.31pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Strange that! The sun rises has risen every morning in my life and will tomorrow, I confidently predict. But of course this "smart ass know it all" might be wrong. Convince me! The sun doesn’t rise. The Earth just spins around it. Convinced?
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| jeeagles 26 Sep 19 10.43pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The gall of the Labour party for criticising Boris for his language. Did anyone else see the irony in an MP hysterically screaming at the PM to mind his language whilst citing the murder of another MP when trying to make a point about toning down language using in the commons. "No deal brexit" is also provocative language. They should say, leaving the EU trade agreements and signing up to WTO terms, but that doesn't sound sexy. "Project Fear" was also provocative language, but that was referring to a negative remain campaign that has failed to materialise, at least to the extent predicted. Sure, the pound is low and my skiing holiday is now f***ing expensive, but stocks are up, house prices and immigration are slowing, unemployment is down, wages are rising, the national debt is shrinking, the balance of payments has improved. It was good parliament has a debate on language today and Jo Cox's husband was critical of both sides. Anyone on HoL see a solution to parliaments complete gridlock? Boris is either hoping that another nation will veto our request for an extension, in which case, all of these obstructions would be pointless. I've been told by political aides that we are permitted to pay another member state to veto an extension on our behalf. Or, as parliament is now not able to function, it is likely that leave lawyers are hunting through the history books to find a case that can be used as a precedent to trigger a general election.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Sep 19 11.01pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Did anyone else see the irony in an MP hysterically screaming at the PM to mind his language whilst citing the murder of another MP when trying to make a point about toning down language using in the commons. "No deal brexit" is also provocative language. They should say, leaving the EU trade agreements and signing up to WTO terms, but that doesn't sound sexy. "Project Fear" was also provocative language, but that was referring to a negative remain campaign that has failed to materialise, at least to the extent predicted. Sure, the pound is low and my skiing holiday is now f***ing expensive, but stocks are up, house prices and immigration are slowing, unemployment is down, wages are rising, the national debt is shrinking, the balance of payments has improved. It was good parliament has a debate on language today and Jo Cox's husband was critical of both sides. Anyone on HoL see a solution to parliaments complete gridlock? Boris is either hoping that another nation will veto our request for an extension, in which case, all of these obstructions would be pointless. I've been told by political aides that we are permitted to pay another member state to veto an extension on our behalf. Or, as parliament is now not able to function, it is likely that leave lawyers are hunting through the history books to find a case that can be used as a precedent to trigger a general election. I believe it is within the Queen's power to call an election if Parliament cannot come to any agreement. That may be made more complicated by the Law Lords' decision though.
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| .TUX. 26 Sep 19 11.09pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Did anyone else see the irony in an MP hysterically screaming at the PM to mind his language whilst citing the murder of another MP when trying to make a point about toning down language using in the commons. "No deal brexit" is also provocative language. They should say, leaving the EU trade agreements and signing up to WTO terms, but that doesn't sound sexy. "Project Fear" was also provocative language, but that was referring to a negative remain campaign that has failed to materialise, at least to the extent predicted. Sure, the pound is low and my skiing holiday is now f***ing expensive, but stocks are up, house prices and immigration are slowing, unemployment is down, wages are rising, the national debt is shrinking, the balance of payments has improved. It was good parliament has a debate on language today and Jo Cox's husband was critical of both sides. Anyone on HoL see a solution to parliaments complete gridlock? Boris is either hoping that another nation will veto our request for an extension, in which case, all of these obstructions would be pointless. I've been told by political aides that we are permitted to pay another member state to veto an extension on our behalf. Or, as parliament is now not able to function, it is likely that leave lawyers are hunting through the history books to find a case that can be used as a precedent to trigger a general election. 5th November Mk2?
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| jeeagles 26 Sep 19 11.10pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I believe it is within the Queen's power to call an election if Parliament cannot come to any agreement. That may be made more complicated by the Law Lords' decision though. If there was a hung parliament after an election, and the parties couldn't come to an agreement, then there would be another election. Because the collision has lost power through a term, there would generally be another election, but the parties have prevented one. Surely, this is something the fixed term parliament act didn't envisage, and the law is now preventing something it that is not intended to?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 11.36pm |
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Originally posted by cpfc_chap
So what happens when a majority leave wins the next ge namely brexit and Tories combined surely they'll just revoke taking no deal off the table? If they have a majority and their MPs all stay in line then they will either try to get a deal done within the time limit which will then exist or leave without one. That's the way our democracy works. Via Parliament.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 11.43pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The theory of the wisdom of crowds suggests that with 100,000 people for every MP they might sometimes be better able to judge what is best for them. With 100,000 people there will probably be 10,000 opinions. That everyone is entitled to hold an opinion, and make it known at the ballot box, does not mean they are all equally valuable or even valid. Someone has to represent the people and that's our MPs.
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| Teddy Eagle 27 Sep 19 12.18am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
With 100,000 people there will probably be 10,000 opinions. That everyone is entitled to hold an opinion, and make it known at the ballot box, does not mean they are all equally valuable or even valid. Someone has to represent the people and that's our MPs. Face it they’re not exactly the best and brightest are they? If they were voted out they’d be replaced by more of the same.
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| Mapletree Croydon 27 Sep 19 12.41am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
You hard right pseudo-patriots still at it ? 😆 Yes of course Brexit led by a bunch of entitled buffoons taking the piss of you is still a good idea for the UK 😄 I see migration from African and Asian countries is up. Just what you’d hoped for, what ? Ah well - blind leading the blind Good grief you’re back Did ‘the other place’ start to bore you? Delighted to hear from you again.
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| W12 27 Sep 19 9.56am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Face it they’re not exactly the best and brightest are they? If they were voted out they’d be replaced by more of the same.
Who would ahve thought.
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