JRM declaring support for May.

For a man who 4 weeks ago was all over TV stating no confidence in May as Tory leader, he is showing the usual inconsistencies of a popularist politician.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

Does anyone really think that people who vote Tory would vote for JC even if they wanted to remain? Blair or Brown might have stood a chance. Maybe even Milliband. Never Corbyn.

Even if they did vote remain. They are less likely to be the type of ideological pro-EU votes that go around Whitehall waving European flags. They probably just voted remain as they thought it would be better for the economy because of project fear... in reality what has happened is wages are up, house prices have slowed, and unemployment and immigration are down. The only issue for the man on the street is that the cost of holidays have risen.

Besides which, Corbyn (7/10 to remain) is a eurosceptic who won't comit to an in, or out, or second referendum policy. His core voters across the north want to leave. His MPs want to remain. They are no more united than the Tories.

As JC should realise, if you survive a vote of no confidence, then you only straighten your position. If the Tories leave, Boris is likely to be the next Tory leader. So they'll be going into A GE with a clear policy to leave, led by someone who campaigned for it with an electorate that's fed up of politics and regularly punishes parties that make them vote unnecessarily (Labour this time). It will be far more likely that Labour leave voters will vote turn Tory than the other way round.

Furthermore, the public will be pissed off that Labour will be dragging out Brexit further despite having no clear policy.

If Labour had convinced it's own portion of the electorate to remain, then we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.

Hopefully, this will see the back of Corbyn and we'll get some effective opposition.

Good flowchart from the Daily Fail on what happens next. You can ignore the accompanying article if its not your politics.

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looks like the Daily Fail has already ruled out no deal.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

I can see what you are saying and, to an extent, I agree with you. And I am a remainer, by the way.

However, there are a great number of people who utterly ignored the debate and understood nothing of the consequence of their vote Some of those were on the remain side who always go with the status quo. Some were on the Brexit side who did not vote leave because they did not want to be directed by Brussels, because of the EU's supposed bloated and corrupt administration or even because they were outright xenophobes. They voted out because they were sick of austerity, because they hated the Tories and David Cameron (!), because they were detached from the Westminster core, because they felt voiceless and unrepresented or simply because they wanted the establishment to "do one". You may not like it, but it is they who got you over the line.

We have now had 30 months where there has been a different sort of education. Perhaps those in staunch leave areas where the major employer is genuinely thinking of up-sticking to the Continent will think things through in a different way? The world is a very different place than when Cameron was in charge.

But so what? Who cares if anyone voted for the "wrong" reason. The rules were set and the votes were cast and counted. Live with it.

For my part, I am torn. A once in a generation vote is just that. If there was clear evidence of vote rigging, Russian interference etc. that would have made a substantive difference to the vote then there would be little significant opposition to a re-run. However, there isn't. So we are stuck with political paralysis in order to protect the integrity of our democracy.

The vote of no confidence will lose. So there will be no general election. Labour and the other opposition parties will simply have to change their tune.

The only way is forward is to extend time, select a parliamentary committee and thrash out a deal that the whole House can agree. That will then need to be put to the EU pretty much on a deal or no deal basis. If the House cant agree, then that is the time when you have to start talking about other solutions such as a new referendum in order to get us out of this mess.

Then again, if the country once again returns an Out vote, we are right back to where we are now...

Which is why the group of MPs who want to pass a motion that NO deal is not an option are doing this country a disservice. They would be handcuffing May in her negotiations with the EU.

We do have an opportunity here to tell the EU give us a fair deal or its no deal. When you are looking to buy a house you don't tell the seller that not buying the house is not an option.

Edited by Badger11 (16 Jan 2019 10.23am)

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