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 Stirlingsays  30 Sep 19 2.58pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
5. My voting paper had 2 clearly defined questions LEAVE or REMAIN.....did yours have something different on it? Of course not but what the "leave" option actually involved was not spelt out and is what has caused the problems. That some never cared what kind of exit was arranged doesn't mean that everyone who voted leave don't. Add them to all who voted to remain and the hardliners are in a minority which Parliament is now reflecting. What has caused the problem is that when we joined back in 1973, we were told we were joining a free trade area (akin to EFTA, which we were leaving). If we had been told at the time that the free trade club would morph into a superstate with a flag and anthem and parliament and monetary unit and a superior legal entity etc etc. then perhaps we would not have voted to be in it. I know that Parliament passed various treaties (Lisbon, Maastricht etc.) that took us further into the European Project but seeing as all political parties had continuing EU membership as part of their policy, the public had no option of voicing distane at the direction of travel. Perhaps if we had been given a vote on Lisbon or Maastricht, then perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess. As I see it, Parliament got us into this mess over four decades, they can get us out.
I agree that the various treaties since and including Maastricht represented such a significant loss of parliamentary sovereignty that only the people in a referendum had the right to authorise a government to sign or not sign them. While a 'no deal' exit wasn't the original desire of most including Johnson, who voted for May's deal on its third sitting.....it now represents the only mechanism for leaving. The opposition could today recommend another vote on May's deal.....But the reality is that they are playing a game of 'win or bust' and indeed the suspicion is that some of them are in cohorts with Barnier.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| steeleye20 Croydon 30 Sep 19 3.18pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Are you sure as he seems to be pally with most terrorists organisations No, he is not a member of the conservative party.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 30 Sep 19 3.24pm |
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Oh such wit!!!
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 30 Sep 19 3.25pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I agree that the various treaties since and including Maastricht represented such a significant loss of parliamentary sovereignty that only the people in a referendum had the right to authorise a government to sign or not sign them. While a 'no deal' exit wasn't the original desire of most including Johnson, who voted for May's deal on its third sitting.....it now represents the only mechanism for leaving. The opposition could today recommend another vote on May's deal.....But the reality is that they are playing a game of 'win or bust' and indeed the suspicion is that some of them are in cohorts with Barnier. of course they are, they are all hoping to become MEPs when they give up being MPs....aka winning the lottery
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 30 Sep 19 3.30pm |
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Stop talking down to people like you are some kind of superior being!!
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 30 Sep 19 3.34pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
so you are saying remain told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth are you? Really? What about the 500,000 jobs that would disappear the day after the result? What about the massive shortages of everything?
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 Hrolf The Ganger 30 Sep 19 3.43pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's not "mealy mouthed" at all. It's the simple truth. Truth always sets you free. Try it! You are like a damaged robot. No one in Parliament or indeed the country seem to care for your interpretation.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 30 Sep 19 3.46pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
not found the speech/link that said the referndum was only advisory yet? Didnt think so...if it was advisory WHY did they trigger article 50 and PROMISE to honour the result?? All MPs are liars, only in it for what THEY can get!!.NEVER voting again.....
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 30 Sep 19 3.48pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
cant be arsed pal, you look for Camerons speech, 'it will be your choice you the people not politicians etc etc' The man LIED, then ran away to let others sort out his mess..... so if it wasnt legally binding WHY did they promise to honour the result? Why invoke article 50? Why not just ignore it? What are they frightened of? The forthcoming riots when they cancel it? Edited by the silurian (30 Sep 2019 3.51pm)
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 30 Sep 19 4.14pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
We are now in a situation where Boris can't leave without a deal unless he breaks the law. He will never get consent from a majority in parliament for any deal he brings as he has alienated the lot of them. So possibly, the only person who can actually make Brexit happen is Corbyn. And yet people on here won't support him because they think he's a member of IS! Enjoy remaining in the EU ! Edited by serial thriller (30 Sep 2019 3.54pm) Never said he was a member of IS you fool, just that he sympathises with MOST terrorist organisations.....most people wont support Corbyn because hes a useless , two faced LIAR and a Communist....if thats what you want good luck with that!! Britain will be bankrupt with Corbyn McDonnell and Abbott in charge, enjoy the Marxist government that you crave so much
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| Hrolf The Ganger 30 Sep 19 4.16pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
We are now in a situation where Boris can't leave without a deal unless he breaks the law. He will never get consent from a majority in parliament for any deal he brings as he has alienated the lot of them. So possibly, the only person who can actually make Brexit happen is Corbyn. And yet people on here won't support him because they think he's a member of IS! Enjoy remaining in the EU ! Edited by serial thriller (30 Sep 2019 3.54pm) Ridiculous.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 30 Sep 19 4.20pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Ridiculous. Clearly. After all, they've done such a superb job in doing so over the past 4 years. Say what you like about that party, but their ability to convince people that they are effective governors and likely to stand up for them, even when all the evidence is to the contrary, is uncanny.
If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4 |
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| steeleye20 Croydon 30 Sep 19 4.21pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
We are now in a situation where Boris can't leave without a deal unless he breaks the law. He will never get consent from a majority in parliament for any deal he brings as he has alienated the lot of them. So possibly, the only person who can actually make Brexit happen is Corbyn. And yet people on here won't support him because they think he's a member of IS! Enjoy remaining in the EU ! Edited by serial thriller (30 Sep 2019 3.54pm) It's a mans life in the new EU army. Brought to you by the Department for Exiting the EU !!
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 30 Sep 19 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Never said he was a member of IS you fool, just that he sympathises with MOST terrorist organisations.....most people wont support Corbyn because hes a useless , two faced LIAR and a Communist....if thats what you want good luck with that!! Britain will be bankrupt with Corbyn McDonnell and Abbott in charge, enjoy the Marxist government that you crave so much What has he lied about?
If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4 |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 30 Sep 19 4.26pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
What has he lied about? Brexit.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 30 Sep 19 4.28pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Brexit. thanks, saved me typing it!
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