Exactly so what has the EU done since to modify its stance?

From an official EU document

"The onus to propose solutions which overcome the challenges created on the island of Ireland by the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the European Union and its decision to leave the customs union and the internal market remains on the United Kingdom."

The EU has been allowed top get away with it because May didn't put her foot down she allowed them to dictate the terms of the negotiation with the EU being the passive partner.

It’s as though they want to make leaving difficult. Strange for an organisation whose benefits are so incredible. You’d think they would be making it harder to join than leave.

You really think this reflects well on you moderator from the Midlands?

Another slack day at the office is it?

What cost?

You really think this reflects well on you moderator from the Midlands?

I think that is a complete misreading of the situation.

The EU reached an agreement with the UK after months of effort and made their position very clear indeed, without any ambiguity. They see the purpose behind the "backstop" as a non negotiable settled issue and have made that crystal clear. However, they have left the door open for us to find ways to achieve the same result through alternative arrangements, if we can find them.

I am no expert on the technicalities but from the various reactions I am hearing it seems unlikely that these ideas will do that. Indeed it seems much more likely that they are just political window dressing, designed to blame shift.

I hope I am wrong and these proposals turn out to be the key which unlocks the solution. I am not holding my breath.

Ultimately I think we will have to choose between one of three options. Leave without a deal. Leave with a "backstop" in place. Remain in the EU.

Maybe Parliament will now replace Johnson, form a short term government of national unity, request the extension and then vote to accept the "May" deal. All before Oct 31st in case the extension is refused and with an election soon afterwards.

Anyone think that's possible?

As I have patiently tried to explain you didn't "win". No-one won. The referendum meant we all lost. We lost trust in each other and some lost faith in Parliament. There are no winners or losers in a Parliamentary democracy. This idea that it's settled by a score line, like a game of football, is causing you a lot of anger and angst and until you get over it you are not going to feel any better.

I totally agree that the Parliamentary votes to hold the referendum, trigger Article 50 and each Party's undertakings to respect the result created expectations which have not yet been realised. There are though good reasons for that. Reasons which you might not agree with but that Parliament does, and it's their responsibility, not yours or mine.

It will move on. Probably at a GE quite soon. Whether it gets sorted out then is an open question. It depends on the Parliament we choose and whether they can come to an agreement. I suspect there is a good chance you will get your way, with the Tories, the DUP and the Brexit Party having enough votes to force a "no deal" exit before they break apart again. Whatever happens it's going to get very messy.

All caused by a referendum I didn't want in the first place designed for internal Tory Party politics.

I'm more than certain that quite a large proportion of people would differ from this tbh.

Plenty will have voted knowing what it meant for the country and for themselves, and there will be those that didn't give it much thought as well (on both sides).

There are ALWAYS 2 sides to any debate, issue and as such that's YOUR point of view, which i'm sure people accept on that basis...shame it appears you can't reciprocate.

I'd also suggest that the real losers in this sorry situation are the MP's and Parliament who've plumbed some pretty low depths (on both sides) and have been shown to not give a toss (regardless of how they wrap it up) about anyone other than themselves.