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Pussay Patrol  20 Jan 19 12.50pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I’m waiting to find out what you all think about unfettered immigration with automation around the corner. I wonder which way the employees of JLR, Tesla, Philips, Hitachi etc who all lost jobs in the last week would vote? Cos they would need that unicorn pretty quickly
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 Midlands Eagle  20 Jan 19 1.02pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
the other toffs care only for their hedge funds I'm surprised you can move with the huge weight of that chip on your shoulder
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jan 19 1.02pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
With respect its a bit rich accusing labour of personal interest when your friends in the Tory party have done exactly that, Boris only has eyes on No10 and the other toffs care only for their hedge funds People on both sides agree they have made a complete pigs ear of Brexit and should be removed from power With respect, I never mentioned about "Personal interest". I mentioned "Personal reasons" with respect to the fact that many are ardent remainers and for this reason wish to thwart Brexit and go against the will of the majority who voted to leave.And of course there are Conservatives who come into this category. Labour are playing political games and would have voted down ANY deal that Theresa May had brought to Parliament.Labour have NO alternative plan and cannot even say if at a General Election they would be the party of Brexit or not.All we hear is "Consider all options" etc etc and all those mealy-mouthed phrases. My views on this are patently clear.I tend to not even view any of the threads on this forum as I already have a hectic political life outside of HOL so perhaps it is time that I bow out for a while ! Edited by Willo (20 Jan 2019 1.03pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 20 Jan 19 2.00pm |
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If there is one thing brexiteers cannot stand, it is parliament being sovereign...……..
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| chris123 hove actually 20 Jan 19 2.27pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
If there is one thing brexiteers cannot stand, it is parliament being sovereign...……..
Sovereign in holding the exec to account, yes. Trying to stop a no deal exit is beyond me. They don't like the deal, they don't like no deal and demand a Plan B while enjoying little consensus between them.
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cryrst  The garden of England 20 Jan 19 3.09pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I agree with Corbyn's stance, No deal would be damaging to the country. Just like in the EU negotiation she doesn't hold all the cards, in fact, in this instance I don't think she has any So where was he when she said no deal is better than a bad deal.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 20 Jan 19 3.13pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So where was he when she said no deal is better than a bad deal. Mrs May is 'damaged goods'. Few people would disagree that she is the worst PM ever, a disaster in everything she touches. To ask for politicians to unite behind her is like asking them to commit suicide. The would only be guilty by association.
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black eagle.  south croydon. 20 Jan 19 3.34pm |
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Putting article 50 back a few months or a 2nd referendum is the only way forward.
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| Pussay Patrol 20 Jan 19 3.34pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Mrs May is 'damaged goods'. Few people would disagree that she is the worst PM ever, a disaster in everything she touches. To ask for politicians to unite behind her is like asking them to commit suicide. The would only be guilty by association. I don't agree about worst PM because she's the lamb to the slaughter, Brexit was always going to be a disaster although she did get her election campaign completely wrong I used to think Gordon Brown was the worst PM but since then I realised with hindsight he was spot on about blocking an EU referendum
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| steeleye20 Croydon 20 Jan 19 3.51pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I don't agree about worst PM because she's the lamb to the slaughter, Brexit was always going to be a disaster although she did get her election campaign completely wrong I used to think Gordon Brown was the worst PM but since then I realised with hindsight he was spot on about blocking an EU referendum You would have to be pretty bonkers as PM to be defeated by 230 votes, biggest ever etc. Why would anybody do that. Just has 'walking into disaster' written all over her face. Could easily crash the economy and the EU relationship to get her place in history IMO.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jan 19 5.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
She said what I quoted her as saying and that's in the actual text on the webpage. I've stated the truth on the EU attitude towards the nation state and you are either in denial or trying to obfuscate. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jan 2019 12.31pm) Oh, I read it but it seems that you cannot have read it all because your quote is not 100% correct and is well out of context. Context is essential if you are going to ascertain the true meaning. She went on to say "that Germany had given up part of its sovereign rights to the European Union. "But the states are the masters of the treaties. This requires always the backing and the decision of the national parliament. The heart of democracy is parliament"". Which is pretty much what I was arguing! Merkel speaks for herself and not the EU, who could not force us to give up anything. We could decide to compromise and co-operate but that is a very different matter.
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| Stirlingsays 20 Jan 19 6.03pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Oh, I read it but it seems that you cannot have read it all because your quote is not 100% correct and is well out of context. Context is essential if you are going to ascertain the true meaning. She went on to say "that Germany had given up part of its sovereign rights to the European Union. "But the states are the masters of the treaties. This requires always the backing and the decision of the national parliament. The heart of democracy is parliament"". Which is pretty much what I was arguing! Merkel speaks for herself and not the EU, who could not force us to give up anything. We could decide to compromise and co-operate but that is a very different matter.
You said, and I quote, 'I think this idea that the EU wants to destroy the nation state is garbage.' Well I give you two accurate quotes that talk precisely about the transfer of sovereignty from a nation state to a collective and here you are disingenuously claiming that there is some difference due to context....piffle....What she went on to say made no difference to her statement of wanting more transfer of power. As for the leader of Germany, 'just talking for herself'.....Is that so?....So the German control of Europe is imaginary is it? Along with France and that stickleback Macron those two countries constituent the driving force of the project. The Euro is in affect the Mark and the whole project has benefited Germany far more than any other state. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jan 2019 6.06pm)
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