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 ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Oct 19 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That is 100% conspiracy theory. Just 2 of the Judges have ANY EU responsibilities and they are only on an "ad hoc" basis. Their jobs won't finish after Brexit at all. Their EU function is a tiny part of what they do. As EU members I am actually surprised more of them aren't required to provide support. Of course there is a Scottish judge. This is a UK court! One is from Wales and another from NI. Do you think they should all be English? I don't think too many in the other countries would be happy about that! None are "former EU judges" but if they were, so what? They are judges, trained in the law. That's their profession. They are NOT politicians. So far as I can see only 2 of the current Justices previously served as Law Lords, and whether they were Tory, Labour or independent appointees is totally irrelevant. They are Supreme Court Justices. Not Law Lords with a different name. The other 9 have all been appointed since the Supreme Court was created. So no party affiliations of any kind. You are just going along with your narrative that these institutions are above bias. Also that parliament has impeccable motives. Frankly, just a repeat of the same ad nauseum. According to you it is all working out. Fair enough. I disagree and so do plenty of others.
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Spiderman  Horsham 07 Oct 19 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
The size of the chip on leavers’ shoulders about their intelligence is hilarious - have some confidence in your beliefs; why do you need remainers to tell you you’re right? Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (07 Oct 2019 11.50am) I don't. I know and those that know me will say I am not always right (ask the wife). I do not have a chip on my shoulder but Wissie seems to revel in talking down to people and dismissing any pro-leave news as "fake news". By the way I have every confidence in my beliefs and will continue to have thank you
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| Spiderman Horsham 07 Oct 19 2.45pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That is 100% conspiracy theory. Just 2 of the Judges have ANY EU responsibilities and they are only on an "ad hoc" basis. Their jobs won't finish after Brexit at all. Their EU function is a tiny part of what they do. As EU members I am actually surprised more of them aren't required to provide support. Of course there is a Scottish judge. This is a UK court! One is from Wales and another from NI. Do you think they should all be English? I don't think too many in the other countries would be happy about that! None are "former EU judges" but if they were, so what? They are judges, trained in the law. That's their profession. They are NOT politicians. So far as I can see only 2 of the current Justices previously served as Law Lords, and whether they were Tory, Labour or independent appointees is totally irrelevant. They are Supreme Court Justices. Not Law Lords with a different name. The other 9 have all been appointed since the Supreme Court was created. So no party affiliations of any kind. Doesn't mean they are not pro-remain though does it. You cannot, with 100% certainty, say their findings were not politically motivated. If you can provide concrete evidence then please do
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 07 Oct 19 3.06pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I don't. I know and those that know me will say I am not always right (ask the wife). I do not have a chip on my shoulder but Wissie seems to revel in talking down to people and dismissing any pro-leave news as "fake news". By the way I have every confidence in my beliefs and will continue to have thank you Mate on this thread alone you must be at about 20 “are you saying leavers are dumb” - it’s less of a chip, more of a whole potato at this point. It’s something which long pre-dates ‘Wissie’ getting involved on here.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 07 Oct 19 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Doesn't mean they are not pro-remain though does it. You cannot, with 100% certainty, say their findings were not politically motivated. If you can provide concrete evidence then please do There are very few things you can say with 100% certaintity - if you go through life not accepting any conclusion unless it can be said with 100% certainty, you’re not going to reach many conclusions.
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 07 Oct 19 4.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion which has been formed entirely on my comments here, which I suggest is not a particularly accurate way to determine character. I also form opinions on some of the others here, but I try to keep them to myself and concentrate on the posts, and not the poster. Donald Trump has been accused of being a narcissist and we all have a huge amount of direct visual, oral as well as the written evidence, of his character to help us form our opinions. However, the professional psychologists in the USA refused to confirm it because they say that a clinical examination is needed before any such assessment is possible. I will leave it to you to draw your own conclusions from those remarks as you seem to like to do that. Trumpy appears to have spun himself into a pretty deep hole this time. Even his own party is starting to back away from the cot. Boris is loving the Cummings playbook. In fairness it's the only thing he can do to remain credible. 'The EU has not explained in detail why it is rejecting the new plan' 1) Creates a Customs Border Apart from that, all good. Should sail through... Of course, that's not the intention. I would applaud his focus and tenacity but I know it's the only option he has on the table, so he has little choice.
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palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 07 Oct 19 4.51pm |
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Attachment: | Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Oct 19 5.16pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
As opposed to that wonderful 'Remain' campaign and all that 'Project Fear' hogwash. That's all been repeatedly covered. I was describing why some who voted remain feel as they do and not why those who voted leave feel as they do! Apropos accepting Article 50, this is certainly not the case as far as the 'Lib Dems' are concerned nor the SNP.Labour have repeatedly waffled on about "Respecting the referendum" but will have voted against ANY deal that Mrs May brought to Parliament and will continue to be obstructive as they simply cannot stomach voting for a Conservative agreed deal with the EU. It wasn't just them was it? The ERG and DUP opposed it, whilst some Labour MPs supported it. I have to wonder whether they would get behind it now if it were put back on the table, or whether party politics would overpower common sense and the national interest. I think I have spouted enough on this matter on HOL. It has been consuming my life outside this cherished site much to the chagrin of my dear wife who has had enough of my pontificating on this subject,hence I have concentrated on the football debates.I shall now bow out gracefully! I completely understand that. I tried to leave it alone too some months ago, then got sucked back in because of the attitudes on display here which very few were counteracting. We certainly need to put this behind us but what we mustn't do is allow our tiredness and despair to permit us to stop fighting for what we believe is right.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Oct 19 5.25pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
You are just going along with your narrative that these institutions are above bias. Also that parliament has impeccable motives. Frankly, just a repeat of the same ad nauseum. According to you it is all working out. Fair enough. I disagree and so do plenty of others. Our Justice system has no bias, other than towards fairness under the law and the use of reasonable doubt. Having had direct experience of it several times in my life I have never been less than totally sure of that. It is the bedrock of our society and it is essential that everyone has complete trust in it. That some are now, for their own reasons, seeking to undermine that is shameful in my view. Parliament consists of people with many biases. That's politics. What matters is their collective view and where the balance lies. You can disagree all you like. That's what the Mail, Sun and Express want from you at the moment.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 07 Oct 19 5.28pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Trumpy appears to have spun himself into a pretty deep hole this time. Even his own party is starting to back away from the cot. Boris is loving the Cummings playbook. In fairness it's the only thing he can do to remain credible. 'The EU has not explained in detail why it is rejecting the new plan' 1) Creates a Customs Border Apart from that, all good. Should sail through... Of course, that's not the intention. I would applaud his focus and tenacity but I know it's the only option he has on the table, so he has little choice. Apparently this 'deal' could get majority support in the Commons. Will be interesting to see them voting for civil war in Northern Ireland.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Oct 19 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Our Justice system has no bias, other than towards fairness under the law and the use of reasonable doubt. Having had direct experience of it several times in my life I have never been less than totally sure of that. It is the bedrock of our society and it is essential that everyone has complete trust in it. That some are now, for their own reasons, seeking to undermine that is shameful in my view. Parliament consists of people with many biases. That's politics. What matters is their collective view and where the balance lies. You can disagree all you like. That's what the Mail, Sun and Express want from you at the moment. I don't need the Mail, the Sun or the Express to form an opinion. There is also plenty of academic work on the bias of the justice system. I am disagreeing with you and you simply taking the opposite opinion is making no difference. I could say that you are stating the opinion of the Guardian or of the 19th Century Times but why bother.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Oct 19 5.37pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Doesn't mean they are not pro-remain though does it. You cannot, with 100% certainty, say their findings were not politically motivated. If you can provide concrete evidence then please do I am sure that, like everyone else, they have an opinion about Brexit. Whether they are pro-remain or pro-leave is unknown and unimportant. They are Judges. Following the law is their job and inserting their personal beliefs into it just doesn't happen. Judges judge. I have never been in front of one, and I have a few times in my life as a plaintiff, who has ever given the merest hint of a personal opinion in their summary. Their loyalty and reasoning is 100% based on the law. Do you think all the Supreme Court justices should have been asked whether they voted leave or remain and those who did the latter disbarred from hearing the case about Parliament being unlawfully prorogued? That would really promote faith in our judicial system! Oh wait though! It was 11-0. So either it would have still been the same outcome or there wouldn't have been any justices left to serve, as they would ALL have voted remain! How likely is that!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Oct 19 5.48pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Trumpy appears to have spun himself into a pretty deep hole this time. Even his own party is starting to back away from the cot. Boris is loving the Cummings playbook. In fairness it's the only thing he can do to remain credible. 'The EU has not explained in detail why it is rejecting the new plan' 1) Creates a Customs Border Apart from that, all good. Should sail through... Of course, that's not the intention. I would applaud his focus and tenacity but I know it's the only option he has on the table, so he has little choice. Best to leave Trump in his own thread but I suspect he wants to be impeached, so he can carry the "witch-hunt" defence into the re-election campaign. Cummings is using Trump like tactics. This is all about the GE in a month or two's time. Exactly how the next few weeks play out is as unclear to me as anybody else but it's obvious that the EU won't accept what's on the table as it fails to meet some of their non negotiable positions, which they have been crystal clear about. Johnson asking for "compromises" from them is just window dressing for his campaign strategy. You could write the banners on the posters now.
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| silvertop Portishead 07 Oct 19 5.51pm |
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Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE
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| silvertop Portishead 07 Oct 19 5.56pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
It's not a conspiracy theory to research into the background of the judges and see pertinent reasons for political bias. They adjudicate in the ECJ on rotation. Like senior jurists from the other 27. Doesnt make them remainers. It makes them senior judges with experience of EU law.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Oct 19 5.58pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I don't need the Mail, the Sun or the Express to form an opinion. There is also plenty of academic work on the bias of the justice system. I am disagreeing with you and you simply taking the opposite opinion is making no difference. I could say that you are stating the opinion of the Guardian or of the 19th Century Times but why bother. I didn't suggest you did need the Mail, Sun or Express to form your opinions! I said that is what they want from you as it adds to the chorus they are trying to raise in public perceptions. I don't read the Guardian, anymore than I do many other media outlets. Which I do online almost exclusively these days and I can assure you that many more are from a hard Brexit position than a soft one. I tend to form opinions based on what people actually say, rather than what people say they said. I try to read the original documents and not someone's appraisal of them.
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| silvertop Portishead 07 Oct 19 6.03pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
As opposed to that wonderful 'Remain' campaign and all that 'Project Fear' hogwash. Apropos accepting Article 50, this is certainly not the case as far as the 'Lib Dems' are concerned nor the SNP.Labour have repeatedly waffled on about "Respecting the referendum" but will have voted against ANY deal that Mrs May brought to Parliament and will continue to be obstructive as they simply cannot stomach voting for a Conservative agreed deal with the EU. I think I have spouted enough on this matter on HOL. It has been consuming my life outside this cherished site much to the chagrin of my dear wife who has had enough of my pontificating on this subject,hence I have concentrated on the football debates.I shall now bow out gracefully! Wasnt project fear a leave response to any suggested negative possible outcome of Brexit? And how do you know it's hogwash? No body really knows what will happen.
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| silvertop Portishead 07 Oct 19 6.17pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Apparently this 'deal' could get majority support in the Commons. Will be interesting to see them voting for civil war in Northern Ireland. The only plan Cummings has is who to blame when it all goes pop. So far their main pronouncements are that they hope the EU will be reasonable. That is if they don't agree they are by definition unreasonable. Parliament gets a few nominations. The sovereign supreme power that is required to follow the will of the people expressed years ago without the experience and knowledge of the following years that might just have changed its mind. Next the establishment. Hmm please define. However you do so it is a nebulous collection of disparate groups who don't act as one and who are no doubt as divided on this question as all other groups. Then the BBC. A suggestion too ludicrous to give further attention. Alien lizard people. I know but a better candidate than the BBC
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cryrst  The garden of England 07 Oct 19 6.29pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Apparently this 'deal' could get majority support in the Commons. Will be interesting to see them voting for civil war in Northern Ireland. Now who's doing a project fear.
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