And who the phuck would you see as "independent" at this point?

If he is still the PM, which is a big if, then I agree he might try, the likely candidate being Hungary. However, just imagine what might happen after that. The pressure put by the other 26 on Hungary would be intense and the consequences of them not falling into line could be severe for them.

There is no replacement no one in their right mind wants Corbyn running an interim Government, so not really a big if.

Intense pressure ? why would the EU member states do that? The only reason I can think of would be to force us back to the table, which kind of tells me the EU is hell bent on us staying. Why would that be do you think ?

As for the consequences to Hungry comment that just shows that you also see the EU as a playground bully nicking everyone's lunch money

Should it succeed what would happen? There would be a period of "no deal" but also a vote of no confidence followed by a GE. Could he win that then, with the reality of a "no deal" being felt? If he didn't win the GE then a new government could try to suspend the "no deal" by reapplying and starting the negotiations again.

Which all sounds very doom and gloom, however you are forgetting the 17,500,000 that voted to leave will more than likely vote for Boris, so any attempt at no confidence and calling a general election would in all likely hood blow up in the remain camps faces, which is why Steptoe has declined the invitation all ready.

Much more likely in my view that he would try to avoid such a scenario and allow the extension to happen, blaming the EU, Parliament and the Flying Spaghetti Monster for causing the "people" all this trouble.

Yes 17,500,000 thousand people voted to leave, and the remainer's in Parliament continue to do there level best to thwart us leaving the EU, something which remain gloss over in their "scenario's" which lets be honest are based on pure speculation and nothing else.

Back on topic (yes I know I also posted).

Claims in the media that the EU want to keep NI locked into a customs union permanently. At the moment it's not clear if this is true but if it is then it shows that the EU were never serious about a deal. No British government could ever give away our sovereignty like this and expect to survive the next GE. No doubt the usual suspects will blame Johnson because the EU should never be criticised it's always our fault remember.

Of course if we leave without a deal then the Irish have a problem but not to worry their Foreign Secretary has a solution, "electronic customs checks away from the border". Of course this is a million miles away from Johnson's solution which is "electronic customs checks away from the border."

A Royal Commission, has been done a few times before, a good way of dropping things forever with nobody noticing.

Try looking at yesterday's papers it was all over them and the BBC. I am, not saying it's true I made that clear in my post this was a leak from No10. Yes Boris is playing games but you kinda make my point you blame Boris but never the EU they are also playing games I think there is a name for it, politics.

If it is true then you are correct the EU has not wavered from it's red lines which they must have know from day 1 would never be acceptable to a UK government. A negotiation where one party compromises and the other doesn't isn't a negotiation.

I don't know what will happen on the 19th I would still prefer a deal but if not I am hoping that Boris has a legal trick up his sleeve.

Edited by Badger11 (09 Oct 2019 11.02am)

I don’t think Boris wants to leave on 31st - he wants it blocked which he can sell to win a GE; a mandate for the next 5 years is far more important for him - he was only a Brexiteer for his careers sake to begin with.

Tell me. Just how many generations do you think we have to go back before someone is no longer to be regarded as an immigrant? 1? 2? 5? 10? 100?

If the last 2 then almost all of us are, at least in part, immigrants.

Or do you actually just mean "black"?

Why would he back brexit to enhance his career when no one actually believed leave would win.
He actually nailed his colours to the mast because that's what he believed is better for the uk.
If remain had won he'd be down the road now shagging some blond model (lucky sod)

Britain has turned against Brexit and would now vote to stay in the European Union, according to the biggest ever poll-of-polls.

The YouGov analysis for the Evening Standard of 300 surveys shows “concrete” evidence that the country shifted against quitting the European bloc in the year after the June 2016 referendum and has steadfastly stuck to this position ever since.

One of the most striking findings is that 204 out of 226 polls since July 2017 have shown Remain ahead, with just seven for Leave, and 15 ties.

Since July 2017 the public has wanted to remain in the EU.

Why can parliament simply not admit it and end the whole disaster?