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.TUX. Flag 28 Feb 20 9.28am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They shouldn't.

Wouldn't want anyone here damaging their precious biases by having a sudden rush of wrong thinking.

EFA.

 


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View palace_in_frogland's Profile palace_in_frogland Flag In a broken dream 28 Feb 20 9.30am Send a Private Message to palace_in_frogland Add palace_in_frogland as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle



Are you really missing the point by that much?

It’s called satire.

You wouldn’t understand.

 

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

So we agree it's mainly muslim men envolved in these child grooming rape gangs? There is our "FACT". Agreed?

Of course it's not agreed. What we can agree is that from the photos and their names it appears that a majority of those involved are likely to have originated from within a community that largely adhered to one of the Islamic faiths. Whether they are all practising now, or lapsed is unknown. That it is irrelevant to the crime is certain.

It's mine and alot of people's "OPINION" that if you take I minority group in the UK "FACT" who are over welmingly the main perpetrators "FACT" then we have an issue.

Neither are actually facts. They are assumptions. The issue is because you treat them as facts.

So far no "BIASS" Agreed?

Of course not. It's 100% bias.

As a responsible country and duty bound to potential child victim's of future rape, should we not be looking at these groups (Asian men) "NO BIASS" and understand WHY ?

Is it the culture ?
Is it the religion ?

That is a different issue. Of course as a country we need to be studying these problems and taking every possible step to eradicate them. We need to insist that our standards are understood and kept by all. What mustn't happen is to confuse two separate issues.

Because white and black people aren't doing this and they arnt sharing the same culture and religion.

Culture and religion are not the problem. Behaviour is the problem. So long as people behave within our laws then they are free to believe whatever they like.

I don't think it's right for you to call out "biass" when we have innocent little girls being rapped, I think it's actually rather sick.

I have always condemned the behaviour and do so again. My argument is, and has always been, that describing people carelessly has the potential to make things worse. If no positive benefit can be seen from the careless words why risk them? Helping the victims and preventing others from becoming victims has to be the primary focus.

 


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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland

It’s called satire.

You wouldn’t understand.

Oh I understand and enjoy satire very much.

Satire though has to have a sharp edge of truth in it to be effective. That had none.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Oh I understand and enjoy satire very much.

Satire though has to have a sharp edge of truth in it to be effective. That had none.

Fact, or biased opinion?

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Oh I understand and enjoy satire very much.

Satire though has to have a sharp edge of truth in it to be effective. That had none.

Well take it up with Noel Coward. Or are you claiming your posts are all some sort of Swiftian parody?

 

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Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot

I haven’t read the entire thread but have the last 4 pages or so with interest...

I will say as a recently retired policeman of 18 years that the Police have and do shall we say ‘address things’ differently when it comes to any other race except white British or any other religion except Christianity....

Read into that what you will..

What in your own experience are the reasons for that?

Are there formal instructions to handle things in a different way or are they just an institutional practice?

If the latter what do you think causes that? Is it the civil rights and equality movement and a fear of tripping up?

 


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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Well take it up with Noel Coward. Or are you claiming your posts are all some sort of Swiftian parody?

I wasn't commenting on my posts.

I do enjoy Noel Coward though.

In a figurative kind of way!

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I wasn't commenting on my posts.

I do enjoy Noel Coward though.

In a figurative kind of way!

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I wasn't commenting on my posts.

I do enjoy Noel Coward though.

In a figurative kind of way!

I was.
Figuratively enjoying Mr. Coward is probably the best way although literally enjoying him wasn’t uncommon, I believe.

 

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You are coming across as a sympathiser you are either very nieve or hold very dangerous views.
In fact I feel rather uncomfortable with discussing this with you.

 

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

You are coming across as a sympathiser you are either very nieve or hold very dangerous views.
In fact I feel rather uncomfortable with discussing this with you.

I have no idea why you should feel uncomfortable!

I want these criminals found and removed from being a threat as much as anyone else.

I think the views I hold are very far from dangerous and not applying them is where the danger lies.

We want all decent people helping the Police to root out the criminals. Therefore we need to reach out to them and not to ostracise them by building barriers.

We need the communities where these people seem to mostly be hiding to reject them and not give them safe spaces in which a veil of silence prevails.

I think that particularly applies to the women, especially the younger ones who have grown up here and they will be as disgusted at this behaviour as any of us.

Building bridges to us and removing fear will, I am sure, be part of the authorities strategy.

Potentially stigmatising them by using descriptions like "Muslim" or "Islamic" is to build links to the criminals and not bridges to us.

So unless there is another, overriding, reason why such descriptions are needed, and helpful, my argument is simply that it's better to abandon them.

My sympathies are all with the victims and the best way to help them and stop any others being created.

 


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