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steeleye20 Croydon 11 Oct 19 3.41pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Agreed, seems the most likely scenario. It's a huge problem this 'get it done' at all costs mentality. Once it has set in, people accept anything just to get it over the line. Particularly in parliament where disasters from Suez to Iraq have all been accompanied by large majorities, I would include Article 50 in that. It was just nodded through, the House were not capable of studying detail or having any plan. Really 'get it done' just shows that the UK basically does not know what it is doing. Is it being hidden from the public just how bad this supposed 'deal' is?

steeleye20

Croydon 11 Oct 19 3.41pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Agreed, seems the most likely scenario.

It's a huge problem this 'get it done' at all costs mentality.

Once it has set in, people accept anything just to get it over the line.

Particularly in parliament where disasters from Suez to Iraq have all been accompanied by large majorities, I would include Article 50 in that.

It was just nodded through, the House were not capable of studying detail or having any plan.

Really 'get it done' just shows that the UK basically does not know what it is doing.

Is it being hidden from the public just how bad this supposed 'deal' is?

Badger11 Beckenham 11 Oct 19 4.02pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It's a huge problem this 'get it done' at all costs mentality. Once it has set in, people accept anything just to get it over the line. Particularly in parliament where disasters from Suez to Iraq have all been accompanied by large majorities, I would include Article 50 in that. It was just nodded through, the House were not capable of studying detail or having any plan. Really 'get it done' just shows that the UK basically does not know what it is doing. Is it being hidden from the public just how bad this supposed 'deal' is? We don't know if this is a good or bad deal but worry not Parliament will scrutinise it and vote on it. I'm sure the Remainers and Labour will point out the flaws. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 11 Oct 19 4.02pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It's a huge problem this 'get it done' at all costs mentality.

Once it has set in, people accept anything just to get it over the line.

Particularly in parliament where disasters from Suez to Iraq have all been accompanied by large majorities, I would include Article 50 in that.

It was just nodded through, the House were not capable of studying detail or having any plan.

Really 'get it done' just shows that the UK basically does not know what it is doing.

Is it being hidden from the public just how bad this supposed 'deal' is?

We don't know if this is a good or bad deal but worry not Parliament will scrutinise it and vote on it. I'm sure the Remainers and Labour will point out the flaws.

One more point

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 11 Oct 19 4.15pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It's a huge problem this 'get it done' at all costs mentality. Once it has set in, people accept anything just to get it over the line. Particularly in parliament where disasters from Suez to Iraq have all been accompanied by large majorities, I would include Article 50 in that. It was just nodded through, the House were not capable of studying detail or having any plan. Really 'get it done' just shows that the UK basically does not know what it is doing. Is it being hidden from the public just how bad this supposed 'deal' is? It's been 3 years. It's hardly last minute. This process can't continue ad infinitum. If parliament passes it, that is that. At this stage, knowing everything I do now compared with 3 years ago, plus the amount of rejections there have been in parliament – if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 11 Oct 19 4.15pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It's a huge problem this 'get it done' at all costs mentality.

Once it has set in, people accept anything just to get it over the line.

Particularly in parliament where disasters from Suez to Iraq have all been accompanied by large majorities, I would include Article 50 in that.

It was just nodded through, the House were not capable of studying detail or having any plan.

Really 'get it done' just shows that the UK basically does not know what it is doing.

Is it being hidden from the public just how bad this supposed 'deal' is?

It's been 3 years. It's hardly last minute. This process can't continue ad infinitum. If parliament passes it, that is that. At this stage, knowing everything I do now compared with 3 years ago, plus the amount of rejections there have been in parliament – if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 19 4.36pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Well stop making up things then What are you suggesting I am making up? I explained that you only have to listen to people to understand that they didn't fully understand the complexities involved. I didn't and I bet you didn't either. Even those in the centre of government didn't so how were we supposed to? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 19 4.36pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Well stop making up things then

What are you suggesting I am making up?

I explained that you only have to listen to people to understand that they didn't fully understand the complexities involved. I didn't and I bet you didn't either. Even those in the centre of government didn't so how were we supposed to?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

cryrst The garden of England 11 Oct 19 4.54pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What are you suggesting I am making up? I explained that you only have to listen to people to understand that they didn't fully understand the complexities involved. I didn't and I bet you didn't either. Even those in the centre of government didn't so how were we supposed to? So you know the complexities going forwards about remaining then I guess!

cryrst

The garden of England 11 Oct 19 4.54pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What are you suggesting I am making up?

So you know the complexities going forwards about remaining then I guess!

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 19 4.57pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It's a huge problem this 'get it done' at all costs mentality. Once it has set in, people accept anything just to get it over the line. Particularly in parliament where disasters from Suez to Iraq have all been accompanied by large majorities, I would include Article 50 in that. It was just nodded through, the House were not capable of studying detail or having any plan. Really 'get it done' just shows that the UK basically does not know what it is doing. Is it being hidden from the public just how bad this supposed 'deal' is? Sorry to be cynical but I suspect it is all part of the political blame game strategy. Parliament hasn't even seen the details of the "take it or leave it" offer, which is now apparently being amended. The EU don't want to be seen to immediately throw water on it, but they will need time to allow all the member states to review the terms and do whatever internal consultations each needs. How can they really accept anything at this late stage? Apart from that Parliament is being given no time at all and they need it. The devil is always in the detail and no-one can be expected to be presented with something as complex as this, upon which the future of the country depends, and make a decision 24 hours later. It's just untenable. I suspect either the EU, or Parliament, will reject whatever comes out, perhaps saying that it forms the basis of something that could be built on with some careful detailed work. That might allow Johnson to "humbly and reluctantly" agree to an extension so he can then face the country with a good chance of winning a GE whilst blaming the EU and Parliament for the delay. All guesswork really though. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 19 4.57pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It's a huge problem this 'get it done' at all costs mentality.

Once it has set in, people accept anything just to get it over the line.

Particularly in parliament where disasters from Suez to Iraq have all been accompanied by large majorities, I would include Article 50 in that.

It was just nodded through, the House were not capable of studying detail or having any plan.

Really 'get it done' just shows that the UK basically does not know what it is doing.

Is it being hidden from the public just how bad this supposed 'deal' is?

Sorry to be cynical but I suspect it is all part of the political blame game strategy. Parliament hasn't even seen the details of the "take it or leave it" offer, which is now apparently being amended. The EU don't want to be seen to immediately throw water on it, but they will need time to allow all the member states to review the terms and do whatever internal consultations each needs. How can they really accept anything at this late stage?

Apart from that Parliament is being given no time at all and they need it. The devil is always in the detail and no-one can be expected to be presented with something as complex as this, upon which the future of the country depends, and make a decision 24 hours later. It's just untenable.

I suspect either the EU, or Parliament, will reject whatever comes out, perhaps saying that it forms the basis of something that could be built on with some careful detailed work.

That might allow Johnson to "humbly and reluctantly" agree to an extension so he can then face the country with a good chance of winning a GE whilst blaming the EU and Parliament for the delay.

All guesswork really though.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Lyons550 Shirley 11 Oct 19 5.32pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It's a huge problem this 'get it done' at all costs mentality. Once it has set in, people accept anything just to get it over the line. Particularly in parliament where disasters from Suez to Iraq have all been accompanied by large majorities, I would include Article 50 in that. It was just nodded through, the House were not capable of studying detail or having any plan. Really 'get it done' just shows that the UK basically does not know what it is doing. Is it being hidden from the public just how bad this supposed 'deal' is? No, it's more of a 'get it done' so we can move forward. No one has said or thinks it'll be a walk in the park..but NOTHING gets done by procrastinating. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550

Shirley 11 Oct 19 5.32pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It's a huge problem this 'get it done' at all costs mentality.

Once it has set in, people accept anything just to get it over the line.

Particularly in parliament where disasters from Suez to Iraq have all been accompanied by large majorities, I would include Article 50 in that.

It was just nodded through, the House were not capable of studying detail or having any plan.

Really 'get it done' just shows that the UK basically does not know what it is doing.

Is it being hidden from the public just how bad this supposed 'deal' is?

No, it's more of a 'get it done' so we can move forward. No one has said or thinks it'll be a walk in the park..but NOTHING gets done by procrastinating.

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Hrolf The Ganger 11 Oct 19 5.40pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Sorry to be cynical but I suspect it is all part of the political blame game strategy. Parliament hasn't even seen the details of the "take it or leave it" offer, which is now apparently being amended. The EU don't want to be seen to immediately throw water on it, but they will need time to allow all the member states to review the terms and do whatever internal consultations each needs. How can they really accept anything at this late stage? Apart from that Parliament is being given no time at all and they need it. The devil is always in the detail and no-one can be expected to be presented with something as complex as this, upon which the future of the country depends, and make a decision 24 hours later. It's just untenable. I suspect either the EU, or Parliament, will reject whatever comes out, perhaps saying that it forms the basis of something that could be built on with some careful detailed work. That might allow Johnson to "humbly and reluctantly" agree to an extension so he can then face the country with a good chance of winning a GE whilst blaming the EU and Parliament for the delay. All guesswork really though. Virtually everyone wants this concluded. Parliament will only reject a deal for party political reasons. You know that perfectly well. No extensions, no more referendums, no more judicial interference. Brexit now, deal or no deal.

Hrolf The Ganger

11 Oct 19 5.40pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I suspect either the EU, or Parliament, will reject whatever comes out, perhaps saying that it forms the basis of something that could be built on with some careful detailed work.

That might allow Johnson to "humbly and reluctantly" agree to an extension so he can then face the country with a good chance of winning a GE whilst blaming the EU and Parliament for the delay.

All guesswork really though.

Virtually everyone wants this concluded. Parliament will only reject a deal for party political reasons. You know that perfectly well.

No extensions, no more referendums, no more judicial interference. Brexit now, deal or no deal.

silvertop Portishead 11 Oct 19 6.00pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What a lot of old baloney. Honestly discussing anything with you is like arguing with a child. When cornered the best you have is "no its not, so there!" From a grown man that is pitiful.

silvertop

Portishead 11 Oct 19 6.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What a lot of old baloney.

Honestly discussing anything with you is like arguing with a child. When cornered the best you have is "no its not, so there!" From a grown man that is pitiful.

Hrolf The Ganger 11 Oct 19 6.04pm
Originally posted by silvertop Honestly discussing anything with you is like arguing with a child. When cornered the best you have is "no its not, so there!" From a grown man that is pitiful. Better to be the child than the dummy.

Hrolf The Ganger

11 Oct 19 6.04pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Honestly discussing anything with you is like arguing with a child. When cornered the best you have is "no its not, so there!" From a grown man that is pitiful.

Better to be the child than the dummy.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 19 8.36pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Virtually everyone wants this concluded. Parliament will only reject a deal for party political reasons. You know that perfectly well. No extensions, no more referendums, no more judicial interference. Brexit now, deal or no deal. Of course people want it concluded, but not at any price. Parliament will reject the deal if they consider it's not in the UK's best interests. I have no doubt that some will allow politics to be part of their thinking but I don't think that applies to very many. Unfortunately those that might are those leading the two major parties. You don't just give up because you are tired of trying. Success usually follows a series of failures. Losers quit. If it takes another try, or a new Parliament, to find the right solution then that's what we must do. We must take the time we need and not just accept something because it's on the table now. We know what you, and the ultra Brexiteers want, but that's not what a majority in Parliament want nor is it, in my opinion, what most in the country want. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 19 8.36pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Virtually everyone wants this concluded. Parliament will only reject a deal for party political reasons. You know that perfectly well.

No extensions, no more referendums, no more judicial interference. Brexit now, deal or no deal.

Of course people want it concluded, but not at any price. Parliament will reject the deal if they consider it's not in the UK's best interests. I have no doubt that some will allow politics to be part of their thinking but I don't think that applies to very many. Unfortunately those that might are those leading the two major parties.

You don't just give up because you are tired of trying. Success usually follows a series of failures. Losers quit. If it takes another try, or a new Parliament, to find the right solution then that's what we must do. We must take the time we need and not just accept something because it's on the table now. We know what you, and the ultra Brexiteers want, but that's not what a majority in Parliament want nor is it, in my opinion, what most in the country want.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 19 8.45pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 No, it's more of a 'get it done' so we can move forward. No one has said or thinks it'll be a walk in the park..but NOTHING gets done by procrastinating. Much better to do nothing than do something wrong. If it takes more time to get it right then we just need to accept that and sort it out. No-body is procrastinating in any way. They just won't accept an exit which they are sure will cause us avoidable harm. You might want to reflect why Johnson has waited this long before getting to this point. He is leaving Parliament almost no choice other than to reject whatever deal comes back, even if the EU do manage to approve it. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 19 8.45pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

No, it's more of a 'get it done' so we can move forward. No one has said or thinks it'll be a walk in the park..but NOTHING gets done by procrastinating.

Much better to do nothing than do something wrong. If it takes more time to get it right then we just need to accept that and sort it out. No-body is procrastinating in any way. They just won't accept an exit which they are sure will cause us avoidable harm.

You might want to reflect why Johnson has waited this long before getting to this point. He is leaving Parliament almost no choice other than to reject whatever deal comes back, even if the EU do manage to approve it.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Hrolf The Ganger 11 Oct 19 9.15pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Of course people want it concluded, but not at any price. Parliament will reject the deal if they consider it's not in the UK's best interests. I have no doubt that some will allow politics to be part of their thinking but I don't think that applies to very many. Unfortunately those that might are those leading the two major parties. You don't just give up because you are tired of trying. Success usually follows a series of failures. Losers quit. If it takes another try, or a new Parliament, to find the right solution then that's what we must do. We must take the time we need and not just accept something because it's on the table now. We know what you, and the ultra Brexiteers want, but that's not what a majority in Parliament want nor is it, in my opinion, what most in the country want. They would reject for party political reasons. Shall I just repeat that 100 more times? Of course, we could have a yes or no to the deal or no deal referendum but no remain option. That would allow the same unqualified people who you said should not be deciding this stuff to decide something even more complex. You did want another referendum right?

Hrolf The Ganger

11 Oct 19 9.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They would reject for party political reasons. Shall I just repeat that 100 more times?

Of course, we could have a yes or no to the deal or no deal referendum but no remain option. That would allow the same unqualified people who you said should not be deciding this stuff to decide something even more complex.
You did want another referendum right?

cryrst The garden of England 11 Oct 19 9.30pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Much better to do nothing than do something wrong. If it takes more time to get it right then we just need to accept that and sort it out. No-body is procrastinating in any way. They just won't accept an exit which they are sure will cause us avoidable harm. You might want to reflect why Johnson has waited this long before getting to this point. He is leaving Parliament almost no choice other than to reject whatever deal comes back, even if the EU do manage to approve it. How do you know it's wrong then. Guesses and that's it. No proof just bluster and whimping out. I'm taking it that you have planned your life out and know exactly whats around the corner. Every decision you've made has been dissected, analysed and scrutinised to the smallest molecule. No wissie it hasn't. You have had a good life with a good family around you. That wasnt a gimme when you and your good lady first met. You took a chance, got married had the chavs moved around and ended up where you are now. And fair play , it worked out for you and I'm pleased it did. What you and many want to do is stop that chance, that one time some people ever voted and now the whole effect and power they felt when they voted leave has been sucked out of them. If remain had got more votes we would know no difference but it didnt it got the least. We have this one and only chance to leave because you and I both know if brexit is cancelled then the EU are going to put something in motion which will make it impossible to leave in the future. Not without conflict anyhow. Poo poo that but you at your age might not be around to see it. Rejoining will always be an option in the future. Leaving wont!

cryrst

The garden of England 11 Oct 19 9.30pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

How do you know it's wrong then.
Guesses and that's it.
No proof just bluster and whimping out.
I'm taking it that you have planned your life out and know exactly whats around the corner.
Every decision you've made has been dissected, analysed and scrutinised to the smallest molecule.
No wissie it hasn't.
You have had a good life with a good family around you.
That wasnt a gimme when you and your good lady first met.
You took a chance, got married had the chavs moved around and ended up where you are now.
And fair play , it worked out for you and I'm pleased it did.
What you and many want to do is stop that chance, that one time some people ever voted and now the whole effect and power they felt when they voted leave has been sucked out of them.
If remain had got more votes we would know no difference but it didnt it got the least.
We have this one and only chance to leave because you and I both know if brexit is cancelled then the EU are going to put something in motion which will make it impossible to leave in the future.
Not without conflict anyhow.
Poo poo that but you at your age might not be around to see it.
Rejoining will always be an option in the future.
Leaving wont!

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 19 10.16pm
Originally posted by cryrst So you know the complexities going forwards about remaining then I guess! We know a great deal more about what staying in the EU means because we have decades of real experience. You don't like it but at least you know it. Coming out is like walking into a misty forest hoping there are green fields and sunshine on the other side. It would be a triumph of hope over experience. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 19 10.16pm

Originally posted by cryrst

So you know the complexities going forwards about remaining then I guess!

We know a great deal more about what staying in the EU means because we have decades of real experience. You don't like it but at least you know it.

Coming out is like walking into a misty forest hoping there are green fields and sunshine on the other side. It would be a triumph of hope over experience.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 19 10.50pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger They would reject for party political reasons. Shall I just repeat that 100 more times? You can repeat it 100,000 times but that doesn't make it true does it? It makes it your opinion. I would have no time at all for any politician putting party interests above national interests at this critical time and I suspect most voters will as well. Of course, we could have a yes or no to the deal or no deal referendum but no remain option. That would allow the same unqualified people who you said should not be deciding this stuff to decide something even more complex. You did want another referendum right? Holding another referendum has never been my preference but I heard Hammond make a persuasive argument in favour a day or two ago. This was that as a government in our first past the post system is rarely elected by more than 35% of the electorate asking Parliament to be able to decide and carry opinion with them in sufficient strength for the electorate to be comfortable with it, is pretty nigh impossible. Thus the divisions would continue. Holding a 3 option referendum would enable a majority to all have a stake in whatever has been negotiated. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 19 10.50pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

They would reject for party political reasons. Shall I just repeat that 100 more times?

You can repeat it 100,000 times but that doesn't make it true does it? It makes it your opinion. I would have no time at all for any politician putting party interests above national interests at this critical time and I suspect most voters will as well.

Holding another referendum has never been my preference but I heard Hammond make a persuasive argument in favour a day or two ago. This was that as a government in our first past the post system is rarely elected by more than 35% of the electorate asking Parliament to be able to decide and carry opinion with them in sufficient strength for the electorate to be comfortable with it, is pretty nigh impossible. Thus the divisions would continue. Holding a 3 option referendum would enable a majority to all have a stake in whatever has been negotiated.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 11 Oct 19 10.56pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Isn’t that a contradiction though? If a decision is in the countries best interest then why should the government’s share of the vote matter?

Teddy Eagle

11 Oct 19 10.56pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Isn’t that a contradiction though? If a decision is in the countries best interest then why should the government’s share of the vote matter?

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Oct 19 10.57pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle We know a great deal more about what staying in the EU means because we have decades of real experience. You don't like it but at least you know it. Coming out is like walking into a misty forest hoping there are green fields and sunshine on the other side. It would be a triumph of hope over experience. Grow some f***ing Balls man. Your the sort of cretin that runs a risk assessment when crossing the road to buy a loaf of bread. Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Oct 19 10.57pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We know a great deal more about what staying in the EU means because we have decades of real experience. You don't like it but at least you know it.

Coming out is like walking into a misty forest hoping there are green fields and sunshine on the other side. It would be a triumph of hope over experience.

Grow some f***ing Balls man. Your the sort of cretin that runs a risk assessment when crossing the road to buy a loaf of bread.

Pro USA & Israel

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 19 11.19pm
Originally posted by cryrst How do you know it's wrong then. I didn't say that though did I? I said doing nothing would be better than doing something wrong. It's Parliament who will decide whether they think it's right or wrong and not you or me. Guesses and that's it. No proof just bluster and whimping out. I'm taking it that you have planned your life out and know exactly whats around the corner. Every decision you've made has been dissected, analysed and scrutinised to the smallest molecule. No wissie it hasn't. You have had a good life with a good family around you. That wasnt a gimme when you and your good lady first met. You took a chance, got married had the chavs moved around and ended up where you are now. And fair play , it worked out for you and I'm pleased it did. What you and many want to do is stop that chance, that one time some people ever voted and now the whole effect and power they felt when they voted leave has been sucked out of them. That bluster has nothing at all to do with the issue. You had your reasons why you voted as you did in 2016 just as I had mine. It's now 2019 and we are in a different situation, even if so many of the ultra Brexiteers refuse to accept that fact. If remain had got more votes we would know no difference but it didnt it got the least. We have this one and only chance to leave because you and I both know if brexit is cancelled then the EU are going to put something in motion which will make it impossible to leave in the future. Not without conflict anyhow. Poo poo that but you at your age might not be around to see it. Rejoining will always be an option in the future. Leaving wont! That's simply untrue. The option to leave will always be there for every member, although I expect the way to do so may well be revisited in the light of this experience. In any case I fully expect that we will eventually leave, but with a carefully constructed deal which ensures we do so smoothly and which retains those aspects of a close association that can continue to benefit us, whilst removing those things that people most disliked. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 19 11.19pm

Originally posted by cryrst

How do you know it's wrong then.

I didn't say that though did I? I said doing nothing would be better than doing something wrong. It's Parliament who will decide whether they think it's right or wrong and not you or me.

Guesses and that's it.
No proof just bluster and whimping out.
I'm taking it that you have planned your life out and know exactly whats around the corner.
Every decision you've made has been dissected, analysed and scrutinised to the smallest molecule.
No wissie it hasn't.
You have had a good life with a good family around you.
That wasnt a gimme when you and your good lady first met.
You took a chance, got married had the chavs moved around and ended up where you are now.
And fair play , it worked out for you and I'm pleased it did.
What you and many want to do is stop that chance, that one time some people ever voted and now the whole effect and power they felt when they voted leave has been sucked out of them.

That bluster has nothing at all to do with the issue. You had your reasons why you voted as you did in 2016 just as I had mine. It's now 2019 and we are in a different situation, even if so many of the ultra Brexiteers refuse to accept that fact.

If remain had got more votes we would know no difference but it didnt it got the least.
We have this one and only chance to leave because you and I both know if brexit is cancelled then the EU are going to put something in motion which will make it impossible to leave in the future.

Not without conflict anyhow.
Poo poo that but you at your age might not be around to see it.
Rejoining will always be an option in the future.
Leaving wont!

That's simply untrue. The option to leave will always be there for every member, although I expect the way to do so may well be revisited in the light of this experience. In any case I fully expect that we will eventually leave, but with a carefully constructed deal which ensures we do so smoothly and which retains those aspects of a close association that can continue to benefit us, whilst removing those things that people most disliked.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 19 11.25pm
Originally posted by Jimenez Grow some f***ing Balls man. Your the sort of cretin that runs a risk assessment when crossing the road to buy a loaf of bread. That would be just a little OTT wouldn't it? I do though think it best to look both ways rather than stumble blindly into the traffic, hoping that you avoid accidents by good fortune, and that if you did get knocked down a big orange saviour would appear offering a snake oil cure all. Better to eat the bread just a little less hot than not at all. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (11 Oct 2019 11.27pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 19 11.25pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Grow some f***ing Balls man. Your the sort of cretin that runs a risk assessment when crossing the road to buy a loaf of bread.

That would be just a little OTT wouldn't it?

I do though think it best to look both ways rather than stumble blindly into the traffic, hoping that you avoid accidents by good fortune, and that if you did get knocked down a big orange saviour would appear offering a snake oil cure all.

Better to eat the bread just a little less hot than not at all.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (11 Oct 2019 11.27pm)

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