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cryrst The garden of England 20 Oct 19 8.55pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle My own opinion has hardened that leaving would makes things worse, because I now know more. That though doesn't mean that I think we will as I want Parliament to do it's job and decide what, on balance, they consider is best for us ALL. Not just me! There will be plenty of people whose opinions haven't changed at all, either way. Some will have though, both ways, as a consequence of the intervening years of experience. The idea that everyone has a set opinion and no amount of new "information", whether truthful or false, will change it is simply nonsensical. I resent the suggestion I am not truthful. You might not agree with me but that is no reason to doubt my integrity. Never does everyone benefit from changes; ever. There are always people on both sides who do and do not.

cryrst

The garden of England 20 Oct 19 8.55pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My own opinion has hardened that leaving would makes things worse, because I now know more. That though doesn't mean that I think we will as I want Parliament to do it's job and decide what, on balance, they consider is best for us ALL. Not just me!

There will be plenty of people whose opinions haven't changed at all, either way. Some will have though, both ways, as a consequence of the intervening years of experience. The idea that everyone has a set opinion and no amount of new "information", whether truthful or false, will change it is simply nonsensical.

I resent the suggestion I am not truthful. You might not agree with me but that is no reason to doubt my integrity.

Never does everyone benefit from changes; ever.
There are always people on both sides
who do and do not.

Badger11 Beckenham 20 Oct 19 8.55pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 'Jog on with your daft ideas'. Corbyn on Johnson. Got to hand it to him, at his age after 'Super Saturday' appearing at a large rally in Liverpool. He is touring large cities over the next few weeks no doubt to gear everybody up for the fight. Good old Jezza "for the few not the many". One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 20 Oct 19 8.55pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'Jog on with your daft ideas'.

Corbyn on Johnson.

Got to hand it to him, at his age after 'Super Saturday' appearing at a large rally in Liverpool.

He is touring large cities over the next few weeks no doubt to gear everybody up for the fight.

Good old Jezza "for the few not the many".

One more point

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 9.13pm
Originally posted by the silurian Just a thought wissy, suppose we have another referendum and it goes in favour of leave, what will you do, call for best of 5 or just spontaneously combust?? I don't want another referendum but if one is held I suspect it will be written into the legislation which enables it that the implementation of it's result is mandated on Parliament. Holding a referendum when the consequences of the result are clear is very different to that which happened in 2016. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 9.13pm

Originally posted by the silurian

Just a thought wissy, suppose we have another referendum and it goes in favour of leave, what will you do, call for best of 5 or just spontaneously combust??

I don't want another referendum but if one is held I suspect it will be written into the legislation which enables it that the implementation of it's result is mandated on Parliament. Holding a referendum when the consequences of the result are clear is very different to that which happened in 2016.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

silvertop Portishead 20 Oct 19 9.24pm
Originally posted by elgrande It's funny how certain people think that bercow is just a speaker up holding the rules. He has shown himself to be a full on "remoaner",and doing whatever he can to deny the will of 17.4 million people. Or did he go to Brussels just for a box of Belgium chocolates and a glass of beer. David Lammy and all the others that went to Brussels the other day...funded by Soros...what a surprise..not.. True moon landing conspiracy nut tripe.

silvertop

Portishead 20 Oct 19 9.24pm

Originally posted by elgrande

It's funny how certain people think that bercow is just a speaker up holding the rules.

He has shown himself to be a full on "remoaner",and doing whatever he can to deny the will of 17.4 million people.

Or did he go to Brussels just for a box of Belgium chocolates and a glass of beer.

David Lammy and all the others that went to Brussels the other day...funded by Soros...what a surprise..not..

True moon landing conspiracy nut tripe.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 9.24pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The option to remain was eliminated in the original referendum. The idea that the 2016 result is somehow out of date because Remainers have conspired to delay Brexit this long is so clearly self serving and illogical that it is astonishing that anyone who claims to be intelligent would seriously float it. By what authority do you declare it "eliminated"? That isn't your decision. It isn't the government's. It isn't anyone's except Parliament. You can regard every MP as unintelligent if you wish but that won't stop them doing what they believe to be right. You have every right to express your opinion at the next GE, alongside everyone else. That's the ONLY authority you have. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 9.24pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The option to remain was eliminated in the original referendum.
The idea that the 2016 result is somehow out of date because Remainers have conspired to delay Brexit
this long is so clearly self serving and illogical that it is astonishing that anyone who claims to be intelligent would seriously float it.

By what authority do you declare it "eliminated"?

That isn't your decision. It isn't the government's. It isn't anyone's except Parliament.

You can regard every MP as unintelligent if you wish but that won't stop them doing what they believe to be right.

You have every right to express your opinion at the next GE, alongside everyone else. That's the ONLY authority you have.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

cpfc_chap koh samui 20 Oct 19 9.36pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Would you rather have an all powerful Monarch, whose will must be obeyed whatever their state of mind or personal preferences? Abandoning Parliamentary democracy in favour of the executive is the first step on a similar road, maybe not back to a totalitarian Monarchy but towards a totalitarian government. You might be frustrated by Parliament's actions but the bottom line is that they are doing it for all our interests. Yours included. No they are not and if think that you better run along to that nursing home!

cpfc_chap

koh samui 20 Oct 19 9.36pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Would you rather have an all powerful Monarch, whose will must be obeyed whatever their state of mind or personal preferences?

Abandoning Parliamentary democracy in favour of the executive is the first step on a similar road, maybe not back to a totalitarian Monarchy but towards a totalitarian government.

You might be frustrated by Parliament's actions but the bottom line is that they are doing it for all our interests. Yours included.

No they are not and if think that you better run along to that nursing home!

W12 20 Oct 19 9.59pm
Originally posted by silvertop True moon landing conspiracy nut tripe. Not this time Einstein

W12 20 Oct 19 9.59pm

Originally posted by silvertop

True moon landing conspiracy nut tripe.

Not this time Einstein

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 10.02pm
Originally posted by the silurian There you go again!! What about all the jobless benefit claimimg protesters outside Parliament day after day....are they not hardcore remainers??? Maybe you should reflect before making ridiculous statements like 'I see no hardcore remainers' when all you need to do is look in a mirror!! Edited by the silurian (20 Oct 2019 7.57pm) What on earth are you wittering about? The people outside Parliament almost certainly come from a variety of backgrounds, both those supporting remaining and those supporting leaving. Which has zilch to do when anything I posted. There is nothing hardcore about wanting the best for your country and it's citizens. There are plenty of strong opinions and passion on both sides. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 10.02pm

Originally posted by the silurian

There you go again!! What about all the jobless benefit claimimg protesters outside Parliament day after day....are they not hardcore remainers??? Maybe you should reflect before making ridiculous statements like 'I see no hardcore remainers' when all you need to do is look in a mirror!!

Edited by the silurian (20 Oct 2019 7.57pm)

What on earth are you wittering about?

The people outside Parliament almost certainly come from a variety of backgrounds, both those supporting remaining and those supporting leaving.

Which has zilch to do when anything I posted. There is nothing hardcore about wanting the best for your country and it's citizens. There are plenty of strong opinions and passion on both sides.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

cryrst The garden of England 20 Oct 19 10.05pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What on earth are you wittering about? The people outside Parliament almost certainly come from a variety of backgrounds, both those supporting remaining and those supporting leaving. Which has zilch to do when anything I posted. There is nothing hardcore about wanting the best for your country and it's citizens. There are plenty of strong opinions and passion on both sides. And without a crystal ball what is the best for us.

cryrst

The garden of England 20 Oct 19 10.05pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What on earth are you wittering about?

The people outside Parliament almost certainly come from a variety of backgrounds, both those supporting remaining and those supporting leaving.

Which has zilch to do when anything I posted. There is nothing hardcore about wanting the best for your country and it's citizens. There are plenty of strong opinions and passion on both sides.

And without a crystal ball what is the best for us.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 10.09pm
Originally posted by cryrst Still your opinion only though. Where is this knowledge and information you have acquired to allow you to know more about the disaster you think brexit will be. You must be an expert on The environment,workers rights,immigration,tax,road haulage, and all other parts of the UK's operation. Alongside reading 563 pages of the deal. Wow wissy you truly are amazing; or just a partizan remainer with your own opinion. It has nothing to do with the detail of any "deal". It has everything to with 40 months of evaluation, discussion and explanation about the impact on the difficulties involved in untangling 40 years of membership. Not to say the unveiling of the issues in NI and the potential breakup of the UK itself. Those things were not considered by me in 2016. They are now. Not just by me but by many others. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 10.09pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Still your opinion only though.
Where is this knowledge and information you have acquired to allow you to know more about the disaster you think brexit will be.
You must be an expert on
The environment,workers rights,immigration,tax,road haulage, and all other parts of the UK's operation.
Alongside reading 563 pages of the deal.
Wow wissy you truly are amazing; or just a partizan remainer with your own opinion.

It has nothing to do with the detail of any "deal".

It has everything to with 40 months of evaluation, discussion and explanation about the impact on the difficulties involved in untangling 40 years of membership. Not to say the unveiling of the issues in NI and the potential breakup of the UK itself.

Those things were not considered by me in 2016. They are now. Not just by me but by many others.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 10.12pm
Originally posted by cpfc_chap No they are not and if think that you better run along to that nursing home! Yes they are. How on earth do you think you know otherwise? Can you read minds? The arrogance of some "leavers" defies belief sometimes. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 10.12pm

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

No they are not and if think that you better run along to that nursing home!

Yes they are. How on earth do you think you know otherwise? Can you read minds?

The arrogance of some "leavers" defies belief sometimes.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 10.15pm
Originally posted by cryrst And without a crystal ball what is the best for us. Wanting the best is not the same as knowing the best. You can honourably want the first but hold different opinions on the second. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 10.15pm

Originally posted by cryrst

And without a crystal ball what is the best for us.

Wanting the best is not the same as knowing the best.

You can honourably want the first but hold different opinions on the second.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Hrolf The Ganger 20 Oct 19 10.32pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle By what authority do you declare it "eliminated"? That isn't your decision. It isn't the government's. It isn't anyone's except Parliament. You can regard every MP as unintelligent if you wish but that won't stop them doing what they believe to be right. You have every right to express your opinion at the next GE, alongside everyone else. That's the ONLY authority you have. Right for them. We don't need to vote for Brexit twice.

Hrolf The Ganger

20 Oct 19 10.32pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

By what authority do you declare it "eliminated"?

That isn't your decision. It isn't the government's. It isn't anyone's except Parliament.

You can regard every MP as unintelligent if you wish but that won't stop them doing what they believe to be right.

You have every right to express your opinion at the next GE, alongside everyone else. That's the ONLY authority you have.

Right for them.

We don't need to vote for Brexit twice.

cpfc_chap koh samui 20 Oct 19 10.37pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Yes they are. How on earth do you think you know otherwise? Can you read minds? The arrogance of some "leavers" defies belief sometimes. And you can read there minds then? The current set of elected mps are in my mind and probably 17+ million others are self serving! The only reason they don't want an election is most of them will be voted out! You know this and so do they! You'll probably be in denial of this as most people who want to remain are!

cpfc_chap

koh samui 20 Oct 19 10.37pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yes they are. How on earth do you think you know otherwise? Can you read minds?

The arrogance of some "leavers" defies belief sometimes.

And you can read there minds then? The current set of elected mps are in my mind and probably 17+ million others are self serving! The only reason they don't want an election is most of them will be voted out! You know this and so do they! You'll probably be in denial of this as most people who want to remain are!

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 10.47pm
For all those who don't believe that advertisements and social media activities make any difference, this is what Carole Cadwalladr posted on Twitter yesterday:- "MPs, as you prepare to make history, know you do so on basis of a corrupt & illegal vote. Know that in any other election, the result would be set aside & election re-run. Below is will of the people - flipping at exact moment Cummings/Johnson unleashed their illegal ad storm" Check this link for the evidence of the impact:- [Link] Carole Cadwalladr, in case you are unaware, is the journalist who exposed the Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal. Do you really wonder why people question the integrity, honesty and motivations of Johnson? Edited by Wisbech Eagle (20 Oct 2019 10.51pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 10.47pm

For all those who don't believe that advertisements and social media activities make any difference, this is what Carole Cadwalladr posted on Twitter yesterday:-

"MPs, as you prepare to make history, know you do so on basis of a corrupt & illegal vote. Know that in any other election, the result would be set aside & election re-run. Below is will of the people - flipping at exact moment Cummings/Johnson unleashed their illegal ad storm"

Check this link for the evidence of the impact:-

[Link]

Carole Cadwalladr, in case you are unaware, is the journalist who exposed the Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal.

Do you really wonder why people question the integrity, honesty and motivations of Johnson?

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (20 Oct 2019 10.51pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 10.59pm
Originally posted by cpfc_chap And you can read there minds then? The current set of elected mps are in my mind and probably 17+ million others are self serving! The only reason they don't want an election is most of them will be voted out! You know this and so do they! You'll probably be in denial of this as most people who want to remain are! I don't pretend to be able to read minds. What I am confident about is that most MPs are very much more devoted public servants than you give them credit for. Especially those who won't be seeking re-election and can express themselves freely and without any need to look over their shoulders. I have met several MPs in my time, all Tories, and all good honest people who tried to do their best. i had a good friend who was on first name terms with Michael Meacher and she thought he was a wonderful guy, totally committed to his job and not the least self interested. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 10.59pm

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

I don't pretend to be able to read minds.

What I am confident about is that most MPs are very much more devoted public servants than you give them credit for. Especially those who won't be seeking re-election and can express themselves freely and without any need to look over their shoulders.

I have met several MPs in my time, all Tories, and all good honest people who tried to do their best.

i had a good friend who was on first name terms with Michael Meacher and she thought he was a wonderful guy, totally committed to his job and not the least self interested.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

elgrande bedford 21 Oct 19 1.04am
Originally posted by silvertop True moon landing conspiracy nut tripe. Really prove otherwise. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 21 Oct 19 1.04am

Originally posted by silvertop

True moon landing conspiracy nut tripe.

Really prove otherwise.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande bedford 21 Oct 19 1.17am
Actually I have searched who funded their trip...Best for Britain group,anti Brexit group ..guess what they have had soros money...well colour me shocked. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 21 Oct 19 1.17am

Actually I have searched who funded their trip...Best for Britain group,anti Brexit group ..guess what they have had soros money...well colour me shocked.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Spiderman Horsham 21 Oct 19 7.14am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Yes they are. How on earth do you think you know otherwise? Can you read minds? The arrogance of some "leavers" defies belief sometimes. Pot and kettle spring to mind

Spiderman

Horsham 21 Oct 19 7.14am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yes they are. How on earth do you think you know otherwise? Can you read minds?

The arrogance of some "leavers" defies belief sometimes.

Pot and kettle spring to mind

Spiderman Horsham 21 Oct 19 7.15am
Originally posted by elgrande Actually I have searched who funded their trip...Best for Britain group,anti Brexit group ..guess what they have had soros money...well colour me shocked. How dare you! Not allowed to say things like this to Wissie and friends

Spiderman

Horsham 21 Oct 19 7.15am

Originally posted by elgrande

Actually I have searched who funded their trip...Best for Britain group,anti Brexit group ..guess what they have had soros money...well colour me shocked.

How dare you! Not allowed to say things like this to Wissie and friends

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