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Spiderman Flag Horsham 21 Oct 19 7.20am

I don't see any "hard core" Remainers. I see people who have always thought that remaining was better but who accepted Parliament's decisions.

You have excelled yourself Wissie, let me give you a little help:

The SNP, The LIBDEMS,The GREENS, Ken Clarke, Anna Soubry, Chuka Umunna, Dominic Grieve, David Gaulke...just for starters.
Don't say they have accepted Parliaments decision as the LDs have already stated their intention is, if there was to be a 2nd referendum and leave won, they would not honour the result as their aim is to cancel Brexit.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 21 Oct 19 7.42am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

For all those who don't believe that advertisements and social media activities make any difference, this is what Carole Cadwalladr posted on Twitter yesterday:-

"MPs, as you prepare to make history, know you do so on basis of a corrupt & illegal vote. Know that in any other election, the result would be set aside & election re-run. Below is will of the people - flipping at exact moment Cummings/Johnson unleashed their illegal ad storm"

Check this link for the evidence of the impact:-


[Link]

Carole Cadwalladr, in case you are unaware, is the journalist who exposed the Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal.

Do you really wonder why people question the integrity, honesty and motivations of Johnson?

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (20 Oct 2019 10.51pm)

If it's illegal then why has the court not set the decision aside. Why has she not complained to the Electoral Commission. Where is her evidence of corruption? If it's so significant to impact the vote why have the courts and or parliament and or the Electoral Commission not called for a re-run.

This is pretty desperate even for Remainers. I guess you could call her claims fake news, oh that's ironic!

Edited by Badger11 (21 Oct 2019 8.19am)

 


One more point

the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 21 Oct 19 10.17am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yes they are. How on earth do you think you know otherwise? Can you read minds?

The arrogance of some "leavers" defies belief sometimes.

you very obviously think that you can read minds though, judging by your previous posts..

 

the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 21 Oct 19 10.26am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What on earth are you wittering about?

The people outside Parliament almost certainly come from a variety of backgrounds, both those supporting remaining and those supporting leaving.

Which has zilch to do when anything I posted. There is nothing hardcore about wanting the best for your country and it's citizens. There are plenty of strong opinions and passion on both sides.

as most of them are remainers I doubt your assertion, wissy..How on earth are they able to be there EVERY day if they have jobs?? Therefore they are Hardcore in my opinion (which believe it or not is as valid as yours)...suppose if you didnt live in Cornwall you would be there too, giving them the benefit of your 'experience'?

 

the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 21 Oct 19 10.31am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't pretend to be able to read minds.

What I am confident about is that most MPs are very much more devoted public servants than you give them credit for. Especially those who won't be seeking re-election and can express themselves freely and without any need to look over their shoulders.

I have met several MPs in my time, all Tories, and all good honest people who tried to do their best.

i had a good friend who was on first name terms with Michael Meacher and she thought he was a wonderful guy, totally committed to his job and not the least self interested.

Those too cowardly to seek reelection are just scared of being humiliated in a GE, wissy, no other reason...Letwin Soubry and many others are toast at the next election and they know it!!. ALL of them including your friend MM are self serving individuals unfortunately!!

 

CrazyBadger Flag Ware 21 Oct 19 10.45am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yes they are. How on earth do you think you know otherwise? Can you read minds?

The arrogance of some "leavers" defies belief sometimes.


Pot and kettle spring to mind

This little tete-a-tete pretty much sums up the whole of Brexit up to this point for me.

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

Midlands Eagle Flag 21 Oct 19 10.46am

Originally posted by the silurian

Letwin Soubry and many others are toast at the next election and they know it!!. ALL of them including your friend MM are self serving individuals unfortunately!!

Whilst I agree with you in principle I don't think that Letwin is standing again so he will have to fund repairs to his tennis court himself in the future.

Soubry on the other hand won't win another election in her current constituency as whilst they voted overwhelmingly to leave Anna Soubry has consistently ignored the wishes of her constituents

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 21 Oct 19 10.58am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Whilst I agree with you in principle I don't think that Letwin is standing again so he will have to fund repairs to his tennis court himself in the future.

Soubry on the other hand won't win another election in her current constituency as whilst they voted overwhelmingly to leave Anna Soubry has consistently ignored the wishes of her constituents

I think it's worse that Oliver Letwin isn't standing and for him to actually risk something.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 21 Oct 19 11.06am

Originally posted by chris123

I think it's worse that Oliver Letwin isn't standing and for him to actually risk something.

Maybe a no deal brexit will ruin his plans.

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 21 Oct 19 11.33am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Whilst I agree with you in principle I don't think that Letwin is standing again so he will have to fund repairs to his tennis court himself in the future.

Soubry on the other hand won't win another election in her current constituency as whilst they voted overwhelmingly to leave Anna Soubry has consistently ignored the wishes of her constituents

Now you've done it..... wait for the Wissie repetitive post

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 11.49am

Originally posted by Spiderman

I don't see any "hard core" Remainers. I see people who have always thought that remaining was better but who accepted Parliament's decisions.

You have excelled yourself Wissie, let me give you a little help:

The SNP, The LIBDEMS,The GREENS, Ken Clarke, Anna Soubry, Chuka Umunna, Dominic Grieve, David Gaulke...just for starters.
Don't say they have accepted Parliaments decision as the LDs have already stated their intention is, if there was to be a 2nd referendum and leave won, they would not honour the result as their aim is to cancel Brexit.

I don't see anything "hardcore" about anyone on that list. I see dedicated MPs trying their to do what they believe to be in our best interests.

The LibDems have as clear a policy on the EU as Farage and the ERG have. Both the latter would have continued to campaign if the result has been to remain. In a democracy that's everyone's right, including the LibDems.

You can use whatever language you wish. That's your right. It doesn't mean I have to agree with you.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 11.55am

Originally posted by elgrande

Actually I have searched who funded their trip...Best for Britain group,anti Brexit group ..guess what they have had soros money...well colour me shocked.

We have been round this track 100 pages ago!

No Soros money is currently involved in funding "Best for Britain". An "Open Society" foundation he funds, but which operates independently, provided some seed funding and was immediately attacked for doing so in the right wing press, which is probably where you get these ideas.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 21 Oct 19 12.06pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't see anything "hardcore" about anyone on that list. I see dedicated MPs trying their to do what they believe to be in our best interests.

The LibDems have as clear a policy on the EU as Farage and the ERG have. Both the latter would have continued to campaign if the result has been to remain. In a democracy that's everyone's right, including the LibDems.

You can use whatever language you wish. That's your right. It doesn't mean I have to agree with you.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 12.07pm

Originally posted by Badger11

If it's illegal then why has the court not set the decision aside. Why has she not complained to the Electoral Commission. Where is her evidence of corruption? If it's so significant to impact the vote why have the courts and or parliament and or the Electoral Commission not called for a re-run.

This is pretty desperate even for Remainers. I guess you could call her claims fake news, oh that's ironic!

Edited by Badger11 (21 Oct 2019 8.19am)

It's a good question. The government did consider the evidence and decided that it was politically unwise to try to overturn the result but whether a legal challenge would have done so is obviously an open question. I don't know if it was even considered and if so what the conclusions reached were, but it did not reach a Court. Not yet anyway.

Complaining to the Electoral Commission would be a waste of time. Their role is small and very specific. They don't get involved in whether a campaign is legal or not, only if it's finances are correct.

There is nothing the least bit fake about a chart which details the trend of people's voting intentions flipping at the precise moment that fake claims by a campaign received widespread publicity, only to revert to their previous state a few months later.

It's pretty conclusive evidence of the impact. Not on devoted opponents of EU membership but on the swing voters. When only a 2% less of a swing would have reversed the result this was critical.

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 21 Oct 19 12.10pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't see anything "hardcore" about anyone on that list. I see dedicated MPs trying their to do what they believe to be in our best interests.

The LibDems have as clear a policy on the EU as Farage and the ERG have. Both the latter would have continued to campaign if the result has been to remain. In a democracy that's everyone's right, including the LibDems.

You can use whatever language you wish. That's your right. It doesn't mean I have to agree with you.


I can imagine this being the epitaph on your headstone, above which says "here lies Wisbeach 'dead'..."

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 12.13pm

Originally posted by the silurian

as most of them are remainers I doubt your assertion, wissy..How on earth are they able to be there EVERY day if they have jobs?? Therefore they are Hardcore in my opinion (which believe it or not is as valid as yours)...suppose if you didnt live in Cornwall you would be there too, giving them the benefit of your 'experience'?

On Saturday most supported remaining in the EU but not every day. They come from both sides of the argument.

My son in law has been there protesting. He works in the city, so goes after work and at weekends. People work shifts. Some are retired. There are many reasons how people can give up their time to protest.

Would I be there? To observe and listen. Maybe. Not to protest. I really don't see the point.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 21 Oct 19 12.14pm

Originally posted by Lyons550


I can imagine this being the epitaph on your headstone, above which says "here lies Wisbeach 'dead'..."

A 'Karl Marx' style memorial surely would be appropriate....

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 12.19pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Whilst I agree with you in principle I don't think that Letwin is standing again so he will have to fund repairs to his tennis court himself in the future.

Soubry on the other hand won't win another election in her current constituency as whilst they voted overwhelmingly to leave Anna Soubry has consistently ignored the wishes of her constituents

Many will admire her for having the courage of her convictions and doing what she believes to be right, despite the pressure and the prospect of losing her job as a consequence.

I would always vote for an MP of conviction rather then a lobby sheep, irrespective of whether or not I agreed with them on any particular issue.

Only time will tell whether there are enough people of principle in her constituency to return her again.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 12.25pm

Originally posted by Lyons550


I can imagine this being the epitaph on your headstone, above which says "here lies Wisbeach 'dead'..."

I have a much better one than that, but as I don't intend for it to be used for a good while yet, it's subject to revision in the light of experience.

Much like referendums.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 21 Oct 19 12.28pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Many will admire her for having the courage of her convictions and doing what she believes to be right, despite the pressure and the prospect of losing her job as a consequence.

I would always vote for an MP of conviction rather then a lobby sheep, irrespective of whether or not I agreed with them on any particular issue.

Only time will tell whether there are enough people of principle in her constituency to return her again.

I fancy her, got to say.....

Bit of a dominatrix, hopefully


 

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