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cryrst The garden of England 21 Oct 19 6.45pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC It's also a classic deflectionary tactic. Deflecting what. You know as much as me. Why shouldn't I have a blase attitude. Most MPs appear to not give a s*** how this is affecting both sides. And it is. Hence why on here there is cat calling and a certain amount of belittling and abuse. If it wasnt affecting US the general public this thread wouldn't be 2300 odd pages long.

cryrst

The garden of England 21 Oct 19 6.45pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

It's also a classic deflectionary tactic.

Deflecting what.
You know as much as me.
Why shouldn't I have a blase attitude.
Most MPs appear to not give a s*** how this is affecting both sides.
And it is.
Hence why on here there is cat calling and a certain amount of belittling and abuse.
If it wasnt affecting US the general public this thread wouldn't be 2300 odd pages long.

dannyboy1978 21 Oct 19 6.46pm
Originally posted by cryrst Hows your budget for the next 6 months then? You dont know do you. Scale that up to running a country. You can analyse all you want but fact isnt analysis. 6 months are you f***ing kidding me!! I voted out for 10,20,30 years knowing there would be a dip. Why are these remoaners always thinking about here and now. I will be happy to take a dip in the pocket for a better future. Imnso angry with their short sightedness!!!

dannyboy1978

21 Oct 19 6.46pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Hows your budget for the next 6 months then?
You dont know do you.
Scale that up to running a country.
You can analyse all you want but fact isnt analysis.

6 months are you f***ing kidding me!! I voted out for 10,20,30 years knowing there would be a dip. Why are these remoaners always thinking about here and now.

I will be happy to take a dip in the pocket for a better future.

Imnso angry with their short sightedness!!!

cryrst The garden of England 21 Oct 19 6.46pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow So let’s just all blindly stumble along and not attempt to plan, predict or forecast anything, as you can’t be 100%... I assume you ignore weather forecasts as well. Roy Hodgson can’t accurately forecast where we’ll finish in a season, so should he just stop bothering to look at the team or where we might encounter problems? No one knows what would happen if we sold Zaha, Guita and Luka so let’s just do it? It’s a moronic approach to decision making. There are positive forecasts, or are they not relevant?

cryrst

The garden of England 21 Oct 19 6.46pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

So let’s just all blindly stumble along and not attempt to plan, predict or forecast anything, as you can’t be 100%...

I assume you ignore weather forecasts as well.

Roy Hodgson can’t accurately forecast where we’ll finish in a season, so should he just stop bothering to look at the team or where we might encounter problems? No one knows what would happen if we sold Zaha, Guita and Luka so let’s just do it? It’s a moronic approach to decision making.

There are positive forecasts, or are they not relevant?

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Oct 19 6.48pm
Originally posted by cryrst There are positive forecasts, or are they not relevant? Where have I said anything to suggest that?

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 21 Oct 19 6.48pm

Originally posted by cryrst

There are positive forecasts, or are they not relevant?

Where have I said anything to suggest that?

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Oct 19 6.49pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 6 months are you f*ing kidding me!! I voted out for 10,20,30 years knowing there would be a dip**. Why are these remoaners always thinking about here and now. I will be happy to take a dip in the pocket for a better future. Imnso angry with their short sightedness!!! I thought you didn’t trust experts? So how did you know that?

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 21 Oct 19 6.49pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

6 months are you f***ing kidding me!! I voted out for 10,20,30 years knowing there would be a dip. Why are these remoaners always thinking about here and now.

I will be happy to take a dip in the pocket for a better future.

Imnso angry with their short sightedness!!!

I thought you didn’t trust experts? So how did you know that?

cryrst The garden of England 21 Oct 19 6.52pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 6 months are you f***ing kidding me!! I voted out for 10,20,30 years knowing there would be a dip. Why are these remoaners always thinking about here and now. I will be happy to take a dip in the pocket for a better future. Imnso angry with their short sightedness!!! Remainers want all positives and any negative seems to trump a positive. Bear in mind I've swung 180 on this. I want out now. There is something not quite right with how much effort certain MPs are putting in to thwart brexit. Lay the knowns on the table and change leavers minds. The reason they cannot is because they cannot predict the future if staying in the EU much as they cannot say how bad leaving may be.

cryrst

The garden of England 21 Oct 19 6.52pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

6 months are you f***ing kidding me!! I voted out for 10,20,30 years knowing there would be a dip. Why are these remoaners always thinking about here and now.

I will be happy to take a dip in the pocket for a better future.

Imnso angry with their short sightedness!!!

Remainers want all positives and any negative seems to trump a positive.
Bear in mind I've swung 180 on this.
I want out now.
There is something not quite right with how much effort certain MPs are putting in to thwart brexit.
Lay the knowns on the table and change leavers minds.
The reason they cannot is because they cannot predict the future if staying in the EU much as they cannot say how bad leaving may be.

cryrst The garden of England 21 Oct 19 6.52pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I thought you didn’t trust experts? So how did you know that? You been having wissy lessons on discection.

cryrst

The garden of England 21 Oct 19 6.52pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I thought you didn’t trust experts? So how did you know that?

You been having wissy lessons on discection.

dannyboy1978 21 Oct 19 6.53pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I thought you didn’t trust experts? So how did you know that? Dip! not the worst case scenario being spouted out by the "experts" There is a difference!

dannyboy1978

21 Oct 19 6.53pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I thought you didn’t trust experts? So how did you know that?

Dip! not the worst case scenario being spouted out by the "experts"
There is a difference!

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 21 Oct 19 6.56pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle On Saturday most supported remaining in the EU but not every day. They come from both sides of the argument. My son in law has been there protesting. He works in the city, so goes after work and at weekends. People work shifts. Some are retired. There are many reasons how people can give up their time to protest. Would I be there? To observe and listen. Maybe. Not to protest. I really don't see the point. I call bulls*** wissy

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 21 Oct 19 6.56pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

On Saturday most supported remaining in the EU but not every day. They come from both sides of the argument.

My son in law has been there protesting. He works in the city, so goes after work and at weekends. People work shifts. Some are retired. There are many reasons how people can give up their time to protest.

Would I be there? To observe and listen. Maybe. Not to protest. I really don't see the point.

I call bulls*** wissy

cryrst The garden of England 21 Oct 19 6.57pm
A guy on the wireless said what wissy was saying about referendum being non binding and mps decide what's best. What if remain had got more votes. Would we be here now arguing that brexit is better as remain would be non binding as brexit is now. Doesnt take Poirot to work out Brexit was to bed the next morning.

cryrst

The garden of England 21 Oct 19 6.57pm

A guy on the wireless said what wissy was saying about referendum being non binding and mps decide what's best.
What if remain had got more votes.
Would we be here now arguing that brexit is better as remain would be non binding as brexit is now.
Doesnt take Poirot to work out Brexit was to bed the next morning.

Midlands Eagle 21 Oct 19 7.21pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I assume you ignore weather forecasts as well. I'm not sure that's a very good example as the weather forecast is seldom correct

Midlands Eagle

21 Oct 19 7.21pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I assume you ignore weather forecasts as well.

I'm not sure that's a very good example as the weather forecast is seldom correct

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 7.34pm
Originally posted by elgrande Ha ha,you assume I read the "right wing press". Pray tell the font of all knowledge that you are. How do you know there isn't still funding going on. Because they have said there isn't very quick to believe everything you want to .... I cannot think where else you would get these ideas, except on social media groups repeating them. They have stated that all funding has ceased and they are now crowdfunded. As I think they are obliged by law to restrict that funding to a quite small amount without giving details and publish any support in excess then I think we can all believe them. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 7.34pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Ha ha,you assume I read the "right wing press".
Pray tell the font of all knowledge that you are.
How do you know there isn't still funding going on.

Because they have said there isn't very quick to believe everything you want to ....

I cannot think where else you would get these ideas, except on social media groups repeating them.

They have stated that all funding has ceased and they are now crowdfunded. As I think they are obliged by law to restrict that funding to a quite small amount without giving details and publish any support in excess then I think we can all believe them.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 7.46pm
Originally posted by elgrande I have done see the post ...soros funded best for Britain...who paid for them to go to Brussels.... not so mad really was it. You love repeating distorting half truths don't you? It's the classic way conspiracy theories get spread and turned into the "truth" that the already convinced want to hear. Soros contributed to the seed funding for Best for Britain, to get it started, pay for premises and a small staff. Now it's overheads are paid for via crowdfunding. He would have had nothing to do with this trip. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 7.46pm

Originally posted by elgrande

I have done see the post ...soros funded best for Britain...who paid for them to go to Brussels.... not so mad really was it.

You love repeating distorting half truths don't you? It's the classic way conspiracy theories get spread and turned into the "truth" that the already convinced want to hear.

Soros contributed to the seed funding for Best for Britain, to get it started, pay for premises and a small staff. Now it's overheads are paid for via crowdfunding. He would have had nothing to do with this trip.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 7.50pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 6 months are you f***ing kidding me!! I voted out for 10,20,30 years knowing there would be a dip. Why are these remoaners always thinking about here and now. I will be happy to take a dip in the pocket for a better future. Imnso angry with their short sightedness!!! My children and grandchildren are as mad as hell with your short sightedness and selfishness. They hold more votes than you and now 2 more than did in 2016. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 7.50pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

6 months are you f***ing kidding me!! I voted out for 10,20,30 years knowing there would be a dip. Why are these remoaners always thinking about here and now.

I will be happy to take a dip in the pocket for a better future.

Imnso angry with their short sightedness!!!

My children and grandchildren are as mad as hell with your short sightedness and selfishness. They hold more votes than you and now 2 more than did in 2016.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 7.54pm
Originally posted by cryrst A guy on the wireless said what wissy was saying about referendum being non binding and mps decide what's best. What if remain had got more votes. Would we be here now arguing that brexit is better as remain would be non binding as brexit is now. Doesnt take Poirot to work out Brexit was to bed the next morning. Obviously, because the status quo needs no further work. Leaving after 40 years of entanglement requires a lot of further work. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 7.54pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Obviously, because the status quo needs no further work.

Leaving after 40 years of entanglement requires a lot of further work.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

elgrande bedford 21 Oct 19 7.55pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You love repeating distorting half truths don't you? It's the classic way conspiracy theories get spread and turned into the "truth" that the already convinced want to hear. Soros contributed to the seed funding for Best for Britain, to get it started, pay for premises and a small staff. Now it's overheads are paid for via crowdfunding. He would have had nothing to do with this trip. Oh really getting fed up with me repeating myself....f*ing hell kettle pot springs to mind. And you say they are now crowd funding....not a tiny chance he could contribute to that then. Hes buried his money in do many things..but doesn't suit your agenda does it....you really are a tiresome man. Never willing to see the other side...tiresome and obnoxious......Mr f*ing know it all...proper barrack room lawyer.. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 21 Oct 19 7.55pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You love repeating distorting half truths don't you? It's the classic way conspiracy theories get spread and turned into the "truth" that the already convinced want to hear.

Oh really getting fed up with me repeating myself....f***ing hell kettle pot springs to mind.
And you say they are now crowd funding....not a tiny chance he could contribute to that then.
Hes buried his money in do many things..but doesn't suit your agenda does it....you really are a tiresome man.
Never willing to see the other side...tiresome and obnoxious......Mr f***ing know it all...proper barrack room lawyer..

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

.TUX. 21 Oct 19 8.01pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle My children and grandchildren are as mad as hell with your short sightedness and selfishness. They hold more votes than you and now 2 more than did in 2016. Milkshakes at dawn? Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

21 Oct 19 8.01pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My children and grandchildren are as mad as hell with your short sightedness and selfishness. They hold more votes than you and now 2 more than did in 2016.

Milkshakes at dawn?

Buy Litecoin.

elgrande bedford 21 Oct 19 8.01pm
Next you will be telling jo swinsons husbands company didn't receive 4 million funding from the eu. No wonder her and her fellow unelectables want to revoke article 50 always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 21 Oct 19 8.01pm

Next you will be telling jo swinsons husbands company didn't receive 4 million funding from the eu.

No wonder her and her fellow unelectables want to revoke article 50

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 8.05pm
Originally posted by Badger11 This is an indicative vote it will not bind the house however it will tell us if Boris has the votes if he can't get them on this then he has no chance with the legislation. That's untrue. What the government was trying to introduce was a "meaningful vote" on the unamended version. If it had passed they intended to withdraw the letter they sent on Saturday night. This was truly an executive v Parliament test which Bercow had no real alternative than to refuse, as I think any Speaker would have done. It looks like yet another stunt by Johnson to cast himself in the role of martyr in the eyes of the people, supported by his cheer leaders in the right wing press, in preparation for the GE to come. He must have known it would fail and all the bluster is therefore just window dressing. The second reading of the WAB will probably pass but Parliament will take charge of the timetable and not allow the government to railroad it through. That's my current reading of tomorrow. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 8.05pm

Originally posted by Badger11

This is an indicative vote it will not bind the house however it will tell us if Boris has the votes if he can't get them on this then he has no chance with the legislation.

That's untrue. What the government was trying to introduce was a "meaningful vote" on the unamended version. If it had passed they intended to withdraw the letter they sent on Saturday night. This was truly an executive v Parliament test which Bercow had no real alternative than to refuse, as I think any Speaker would have done.

It looks like yet another stunt by Johnson to cast himself in the role of martyr in the eyes of the people, supported by his cheer leaders in the right wing press, in preparation for the GE to come. He must have known it would fail and all the bluster is therefore just window dressing.

The second reading of the WAB will probably pass but Parliament will take charge of the timetable and not allow the government to railroad it through. That's my current reading of tomorrow.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

robdave2k 21 Oct 19 8.11pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That's untrue. What the government was trying to introduce was a "meaningful vote" on the unamended version. If it had passed they intended to withdraw the letter they sent on Saturday night. This was truly an executive v Parliament test which Bercow had no real alternative than to refuse, as I think any Speaker would have done. It looks like yet another stunt by Johnson to cast himself in the role of martyr in the eyes of the people, supported by his cheer leaders in the right wing press, in preparation for the GE to come. He must have known it would fail and all the bluster is therefore just window dressing. The second reading of the WAB will probably pass but Parliament will take charge of the timetable and not allow the government to railroad it through. That's my current reading of tomorrow. I have to say mate, you are a wonderful advertisement of why people would want to vote leave. There are some knuckledraggers, racists and xenophobes on the leave side no doubt, and I hate the hate in that respect. But patronising everyone continually isn’t going to sway many votes. I’m sure you think you are coming across as reasoned, truth be told I interpret it as dogmatic and that you have a superiority complex.. You seem completely unable to concede on anything, even when faced with reasoned debate back.

robdave2k

21 Oct 19 8.11pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The second reading of the WAB will probably pass but Parliament will take charge of the timetable and not allow the government to railroad it through. That's my current reading of tomorrow.

I have to say mate, you are a wonderful advertisement of why people would want to vote leave.

There are some knuckledraggers, racists and xenophobes on the leave side no doubt, and I hate the hate in that respect.

But patronising everyone continually isn’t going to sway many votes. I’m sure you think you are coming across as reasoned, truth be told I interpret it as dogmatic and that you have a superiority complex.. You seem completely unable to concede on anything, even when faced with reasoned debate back.

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