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Mapletree Croydon 21 Oct 19 11.21pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Who changed their mind? [Link] Best of 3? Joke the lot of you The British population changed its mind (Or had its mind changed for it in many cases) between 1975 and 2016 of course. Do keep up.

Mapletree

Croydon 21 Oct 19 11.21pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Who changed their mind?
[Link]

Best of 3?

Joke the lot of you

The British population changed its mind (Or had its mind changed for it in many cases) between 1975 and 2016 of course. Do keep up.

.TUX. 21 Oct 19 11.27pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Simple. We aren't discussing it. We are discussing our membership. But you're happy to continually discuss economic forecasts should we ever leave the bloc but turn a blind-eye to the current economic problems facing the bloc? No wonder your offspring are angry. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

21 Oct 19 11.27pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Simple.

We aren't discussing it. We are discussing our membership.

But you're happy to continually discuss economic forecasts should we ever leave the bloc but turn a blind-eye to the current economic problems facing the bloc?
No wonder your offspring are angry.

Buy Litecoin.

dannyboy1978 21 Oct 19 11.28pm
Well you only have another 41 years to wait. You honestly think the British population will lie down if their votes are not acted on!! It will do far more harm to this country if parliment don't do what their told! If leave had lost the vote I and most would have put our hands up, fairs fair you won, crack on. I expect the same!!

dannyboy1978

21 Oct 19 11.28pm

Well you only have another 41 years to wait.
You honestly think the British population will lie down if their votes are not acted on!!
It will do far more harm to this country if parliment don't do what their told!

If leave had lost the vote I and most would have put our hands up, fairs fair you won, crack on.
I expect the same!!

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 11.40pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Blah blah blah blah, traitor. You should be ashamed of your self. You have said all that carp before, this country was fully devided and parliment couldn't decide, so leave won. You do know what leave means right? And it's not half in to keep remoaners happy it means leave!. Oh well, I tried to explain how things are now but as you seem to have stopped the clock in June 2016 there is little more I can do to help you come to terms with the way things actually are. There will be a GE. Johnson will lead the Conservatives on a platform that says that Parliament stopped him doing what "we" asked him to do. The opposition is divided and will split the vote against the Tories who will also suffer losses to Farage. The Tories will likely win, or have to form a coalition with Farage who will demand a harder Brexit than this deal. That's what all this is about. It's as much electioneering as was the Queen's speech last week. I would not be surprised to see Johnson pull the bill after his timetable is voted down and invite a no confidence motion, which the SNP would gladly propose. That would kill any amendments. So unfortunately I think you will ultimately achieve your wish, just not in the way you think it ought to be delivered. Of course I could be wrong. I certainly hope I am. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 11.40pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Blah blah blah blah, traitor.
You should be ashamed of your self.
You have said all that carp before, this country was fully devided and parliment couldn't decide, so leave won.
You do know what leave means right?
And it's not half in to keep remoaners happy it means leave!.

Oh well, I tried to explain how things are now but as you seem to have stopped the clock in June 2016 there is little more I can do to help you come to terms with the way things actually are.

There will be a GE. Johnson will lead the Conservatives on a platform that says that Parliament stopped him doing what "we" asked him to do. The opposition is divided and will split the vote against the Tories who will also suffer losses to Farage.

The Tories will likely win, or have to form a coalition with Farage who will demand a harder Brexit than this deal.

That's what all this is about. It's as much electioneering as was the Queen's speech last week.

I would not be surprised to see Johnson pull the bill after his timetable is voted down and invite a no confidence motion, which the SNP would gladly propose. That would kill any amendments.

So unfortunately I think you will ultimately achieve your wish, just not in the way you think it ought to be delivered.

Of course I could be wrong. I certainly hope I am.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 11.44pm
Originally posted by .TUX. But you're happy to continually discuss economic forecasts should we ever leave the bloc but turn a blind-eye to the current economic problems facing the bloc? No wonder your offspring are angry. They are very well aware of the current economic turndowns in some EU countries. Ups and downs are inevitable but they don't undermine the fundamentals. The EU makes us all stronger. Working together in today's global economy is essential. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 19 11.44pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

But you're happy to continually discuss economic forecasts should we ever leave the bloc but turn a blind-eye to the current economic problems facing the bloc?
No wonder your offspring are angry.

They are very well aware of the current economic turndowns in some EU countries. Ups and downs are inevitable but they don't undermine the fundamentals. The EU makes us all stronger. Working together in today's global economy is essential.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

.TUX. 21 Oct 19 11.47pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle They are very well aware of the current economic turndowns in some EU countries. Ups and downs are inevitable but they don't undermine the fundamentals. The EU makes us all stronger. Working together in today's global economy is essential. Name them. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

21 Oct 19 11.47pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They are very well aware of the current economic turndowns in some EU countries. Ups and downs are inevitable but they don't undermine the fundamentals. The EU makes us all stronger. Working together in today's global economy is essential.

Name them.

Buy Litecoin.

cpfc_chap koh samui 21 Oct 19 11.53pm
Another country wanting a referendum to leave. [Link]

cpfc_chap

koh samui 21 Oct 19 11.53pm

Another country wanting a referendum to leave.

[Link]

dannyboy1978 22 Oct 19 12.12am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle They are very well aware of the current economic turndowns in some EU countries. Ups and downs are inevitable but they don't undermine the fundamentals. The EU makes us all stronger. Working together in today's global economy is essential. All!! Lol

dannyboy1978

22 Oct 19 12.12am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

All!! Lol

.TUX. 22 Oct 19 12.18am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle They are very well aware of the current economic turndowns in some EU countries. Ups and downs are inevitable but they don't undermine the fundamentals. The EU makes us all stronger. Working together in today's global economy is essential. For whom? Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

22 Oct 19 12.18am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They are very well aware of the current economic turndowns in some EU countries. Ups and downs are inevitable but they don't undermine the fundamentals. The EU makes us all stronger. Working together in today's global economy is essential.

For whom?

Buy Litecoin.

Badger11 Beckenham 22 Oct 19 8.01am
Meanwhile Germany is now in recession [Link] One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 22 Oct 19 8.01am

Meanwhile Germany is now in recession

[Link]

One more point

Midlands Eagle 22 Oct 19 8.10am
Originally posted by Badger11 Meanwhile Germany is now in recession I think that you should have included some quotes from the article in your post Quote The troubles affecting Germany come amid weakness across much of Europe – including the UK. However, while the British economy also contracted in the second quarter, by 0.2 per cent, it is expected to have returned to growth in the third quarter, staving off recession. The performance of the British economy since the Brexit referendum in June 2016 has made a mockery of claims by Remainers that a Leave vote would tip the UK into recession and lead to as many as 820,000 job losses. Instead, employment has risen by 946,000 since the vote, and unemployment is below 4 per cent at levels not seen since the 1970s.

Midlands Eagle

22 Oct 19 8.10am

Originally posted by Badger11

Meanwhile Germany is now in recession

I think that you should have included some quotes from the article in your post

Quote The troubles affecting Germany come amid weakness across much of Europe – including the UK. However, while the British economy also contracted in the second quarter, by 0.2 per cent, it is expected to have returned to growth in the third quarter, staving off recession.

The performance of the British economy since the Brexit referendum in June 2016 has made a mockery of claims by Remainers that a Leave vote would tip the UK into recession and lead to as many as 820,000 job losses. Instead, employment has risen by 946,000 since the vote, and unemployment is below 4 per cent at levels not seen since the 1970s.

Badger11 Beckenham 22 Oct 19 8.23am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Badger11 Meanwhile Germany is now in recession I think that you should have included some quotes from the article in your post Quote The troubles affecting Germany come amid weakness across much of Europe – including the UK. However, while the British economy also contracted in the second quarter, by 0.2 per cent, it is expected to have returned to growth in the third quarter, staving off recession. The performance of the British economy since the Brexit referendum in June 2016 has made a mockery of claims by Remainers that a Leave vote would tip the UK into recession and lead to as many as 820,000 job losses. Instead, employment has risen by 946,000 since the vote, and unemployment is below 4 per cent at levels not seen since the 1970s. I stand corrected But we are going off message remember what are masters have taught us: Chant: EU Good UK Bad EU Good UK Bad Repeat ad nauseam One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 22 Oct 19 8.23am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Originally posted by Badger11

Meanwhile Germany is now in recession

I think that you should have included some quotes from the article in your post

Quote The troubles affecting Germany come amid weakness across much of Europe – including the UK. However, while the British economy also contracted in the second quarter, by 0.2 per cent, it is expected to have returned to growth in the third quarter, staving off recession.

I stand corrected

But we are going off message remember what are masters have taught us:

Chant:

EU Good
UK Bad

Repeat ad nauseam

One more point

chris123 hove actually 22 Oct 19 8.23am
Originally posted by Badger11 Meanwhile Germany is now in recession [Link] Anticipated for a while, manufacturing based economy with exposure to China. Has benefited for a long time from a weak euro, metrics not working for Germany right now. However the integration of East Germany has been quite an achievement - and for the record Angela Merkel is East German.

chris123

hove actually 22 Oct 19 8.23am

Originally posted by Badger11

Meanwhile Germany is now in recession

[Link]

Anticipated for a while, manufacturing based economy with exposure to China. Has benefited for a long time from a weak euro, metrics not working for Germany right now. However the integration of East Germany has been quite an achievement - and for the record Angela Merkel is East German.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 19 8.37am
Originally posted by .TUX. Name them. I won't give you the names of my children and grandchildren! I have two daughters, 3 granddaughters and a grandson. My daughters are 54 and 47, their husbands are 54 and 36. My granddaughters are 27, 21 and 13 and my grandson rising 18. That's enough detail. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 19 8.37am

Originally posted by .TUX.

Name them.

I won't give you the names of my children and grandchildren! I have two daughters, 3 granddaughters and a grandson. My daughters are 54 and 47, their husbands are 54 and 36. My granddaughters are 27, 21 and 13 and my grandson rising 18. That's enough detail.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

dannyboy1978 22 Oct 19 8.39am
Originally posted by chris123 Anticipated for a while, manufacturing based economy with exposure to China. Has benefited for a long time from a weak euro, metrics not working for Germany right now. However the integration of East Germany has been quite an achievement - and for the record Angela Merkel is East German. So you'll swallow a bit of EU down turn for the greater good but not the UK. Leave voters always new it would be bumpy not as bumpy as the remoaners thought !! Are you German or british? Edited by dannyboy1978 (22 Oct 2019 8.40am)

dannyboy1978

22 Oct 19 8.39am

Originally posted by chris123

Anticipated for a while, manufacturing based economy with exposure to China. Has benefited for a long time from a weak euro, metrics not working for Germany right now. However the integration of East Germany has been quite an achievement - and for the record Angela Merkel is East German.

So you'll swallow a bit of EU down turn for the greater good but not the UK.
Leave voters always new it would be bumpy not as bumpy as the remoaners thought !!
Are you German or british?

Edited by dannyboy1978 (22 Oct 2019 8.40am)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 19 8.41am
Originally posted by cpfc_chap Another country wanting a referendum to leave. [Link] Another "country"! That's a protest group. We had them even before we joined the EEC. People protest and demand referendums on all sorts of things but that doesn't mean their country wants it. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 19 8.41am

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

Another country wanting a referendum to leave.

[Link]

Another "country"!

That's a protest group. We had them even before we joined the EEC.

People protest and demand referendums on all sorts of things but that doesn't mean their country wants it.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

dannyboy1978 22 Oct 19 8.41am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I won't give you the names of my children and grandchildren! I have two daughters, 3 granddaughters and a grandson. My daughters are 54 and 47, their husbands are 54 and 36. My granddaughters are 27, 21 and 13 and my grandson rising 18. That's enough detail. So you have a family like most of the 17.5 who the vote to leave, well done you.

dannyboy1978

22 Oct 19 8.41am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So you have a family like most of the 17.5 who the vote to leave, well done you.

dannyboy1978 22 Oct 19 8.43am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Another "country"! That's a protest group. We had them even before we joined the EEC. People protest and demand referendums on all sorts of things but that doesn't mean their country wants it. So the minority want a referendum, is that how it now works, the minority get what they want?

dannyboy1978

22 Oct 19 8.43am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Another "country"!

That's a protest group. We had them even before we joined the EEC.

People protest and demand referendums on all sorts of things but that doesn't mean their country wants it.

So the minority want a referendum, is that how it now works, the minority get what they want?

Badger11 Beckenham 22 Oct 19 8.45am
I think we are about to see a change of tactics from Remainers. They will no longer vote against the bill but will instead vote for amendments and against the timetable. That way they can say to the electorate we want a deal but... 1. We need more time. Well it was the Remainers and Bercow who have been running the clock down. You want more time do what the rest of the UK does when it has a deadline, work late nights and weekends but I doubt you are proposing that. The Lisbon Treat was passed in 5 days and as much of this bill is the same as May's they only need to focus on the changes. 2. I support the bill I have just a few changes. These are wrecking amendments pure and simple. The treaty has been agreed with the EU and any significant changes would have to go back through that process assuming the EU was willing to listen. It's also dishonest if you don't like the deal then vote against it. I suspect that Boris will lose on the timetable and possibly even on the amendments at which point he will withdraw the bill. Remainers can then blame him and vice versa. Whilst I am annoyed with Parliament and it often seems I am supporting Boris's bill I don't like it and I would prefer a clean Brexit. I just see more fudge and delay. C'mon Macron you hate the Brits put the boot in you know you want to. Edited by Badger11 (22 Oct 2019 8.46am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 22 Oct 19 8.45am

I think we are about to see a change of tactics from Remainers.

They will no longer vote against the bill but will instead vote for amendments and against the timetable. That way they can say to the electorate we want a deal but...

1. We need more time.
Well it was the Remainers and Bercow who have been running the clock down. You want more time do what the rest of the UK does when it has a deadline, work late nights and weekends but I doubt you are proposing that.

The Lisbon Treat was passed in 5 days and as much of this bill is the same as May's they only need to focus on the changes.

2. I support the bill I have just a few changes.
These are wrecking amendments pure and simple. The treaty has been agreed with the EU and any significant changes would have to go back through that process assuming the EU was willing to listen. It's also dishonest if you don't like the deal then vote against it.

I suspect that Boris will lose on the timetable and possibly even on the amendments at which point he will withdraw the bill. Remainers can then blame him and vice versa.

Whilst I am annoyed with Parliament and it often seems I am supporting Boris's bill I don't like it and I would prefer a clean Brexit. I just see more fudge and delay.

C'mon Macron you hate the Brits put the boot in you know you want to.

Edited by Badger11 (22 Oct 2019 8.46am)

One more point

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 19 8.49am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 So you have a family like most of the 17.5 who the vote to leave, well done you. What's your point? Of course others have family. I have never suggested or thought otherwise! The only point I have been making is that as the future affects them very much more than it affects us the decision on remaining or leaving ought to be weighted in their interests rather than ours. If you genuinely believe that by leaving they will have a better future then, whilst I disagree with you, I respect that decision. If however you are voting solely on your own preference then I urge you to think of their's too. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 19 8.49am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

So you have a family like most of the 17.5 who the vote to leave, well done you.

What's your point?

Of course others have family. I have never suggested or thought otherwise!

The only point I have been making is that as the future affects them very much more than it affects us the decision on remaining or leaving ought to be weighted in their interests rather than ours.

If you genuinely believe that by leaving they will have a better future then, whilst I disagree with you, I respect that decision. If however you are voting solely on your own preference then I urge you to think of their's too.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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