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 steeleye20  Croydon 07 Feb 19 9.42am |
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Donald baby, that 'special place in hell' is already booked for you. Even after the UK has left, you will find yourself trapped in interminable totally unproductive meetings with a UK prime minister. You are the one who needs to take back control.....
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| Badger11 Beckenham 07 Feb 19 9.45am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
What I don't get my head around are the majority of brexiters who are ardent leave at all costs types, and care not for the consequences. If I voted leave I'd want there to be a proper plan for the transition and a blueprint for the future post Brexit, it's perfectly logical and what government is there to do It's almost as if people want chaos and economic harm, or just happy to cut our noses off to spite our face to stick 2 fingers up to Europe. Why? What do they get out of that? Edited by Pussay Patrol (07 Feb 2019 9.10am) In principle I don't disagree of course it makes sense for an orderly transition. However I personally don't like Mrs May deal even if the back stop is removed but where is the alternative? Some vague words from Corbyn that he would get a better deal! I am a pragmatist so if Mrs May can solve the backstop issue I will suffer her deal. However I would be quite happy if we did leave under WTO rules. As for those who say we should take no deal of the table how does that make any sense. The EU is saying they will not renegotiate the current deal so how does taking the threat of walking away ensure we get a good deal, it doesn't. Now regarding your point about post Brexit I agree the government (largely run by Remainers) has been shameful in not outlining its plans. As I said in a previous post there are plenty of plans out there but none of them are official government policy. On the subject of future plans where are the Remainers? The same argument is valid against them. The EU is changing so if the UK remained what is our position on the proposed EU changes?
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 07 Feb 19 9.45am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
A chance to clear the decks of people who say they’re Europalace, European and not British, when they are. Don’t like or secretly or say they hate Britain or British, think we should and can help everyone else in the world before sorting our own problems or preventing them getting worse, and the freedom to do it whenever in the future. To be what WE want to be. Good luck with that. Globalisation isn’t going anywhere fast, and Brexit certainly won’t make any difference to the direction of travel - it’s amazing the amount of people who think it’s some kind of magical cure all - we don’t control the world anymore. The world controls us. Sorry to burst your bubble but that ship sailed a long time ago.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Feb 19 9.52am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Good luck with that. Globalisation isn’t going anywhere fast, and Brexit certainly won’t make any difference to the direction of travel - it’s amazing the amount of people who think it’s some kind of magical cure all - we don’t control the world anymore. The world controls us. Sorry to burst your bubble but that ship sailed a long time ago. Inevitable yes. Making it happen moreso? Now that’s a choice.
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| Rubin 07 Feb 19 9.56am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Good luck with that. Globalisation isn’t going anywhere fast, and Brexit certainly won’t make any difference to the direction of travel - it’s amazing the amount of people who think it’s some kind of magical cure all - we don’t control the world anymore. The world controls us. Sorry to burst your bubble but that ship sailed a long time ago. You're talking about globalism, which is centralisation of pretty much everything, resulting in loss of sovereignty. Globalisation is purely trade related. Edited by Rubin (07 Feb 2019 10.06am)
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 07 Feb 19 10.08am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Inevitable yes. Making it happen moreso? Now that’s a choice. Surely the inevitability cancels out the choice. If anyone thought that by voting leave they'd play a part in 'getting back control' in the rose tinted manner they envisage, even now, then they're fooling themselves. You were simply given the illusion of choice. Both camps are doing my nut at the moment. Leave more so, for the reason outlined in my previous post. The change you think could happen is a fantasy, not a reality. As a result, unfortunately even though Leave won the vote, those who voted for it will be left the most bereft and disappointed.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 07 Feb 19 10.16am |
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Originally posted by Rubin
You're talking about globalism, which is centralisation of pretty much everything, resulting in loss of sovereignty. Globalisation is purely trade related. Edited by Rubin (07 Feb 2019 10.06am) Fair. I'm packaging both up because the two are interlinked. One is a catalyst for the other. Globalism is an outcome of Globalisation, and it is inevitable. We're way past the point of no return. This is why I find the delusional premium being placed on Brexit as a solve all short sighted and a bit ridiculous. For that reason aside from the short term side effects I'm not really that bothered whether we remain or leave because in the long term we'll end up in the same place regardless.
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| Rubin 07 Feb 19 10.31am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Fair. I'm packaging both up because the two are interlinked. One is a catalyst for the other. Globalism is an outcome of Globalisation, and it is inevitable. We're way past the point of no return. This is why I find the delusional premium being placed on Brexit as a solve all short sighted and a bit ridiculous. For that reason aside from the short term side effects I'm not really that bothered whether we remain or leave because in the long term we'll end up in the same place regardless. The EU is the most 'globalist' organisation that currently exists, so us leaving will be a massive blow to it, world wide, and could be the start of its downfall. I certainly don't believe that Brexit is a 'solve all' solution, and there'll still be a big struggle ahead, but it's the only possible option available to take a step in the right direction.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 07 Feb 19 11.01am |
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Originally posted by Rubin
The EU is the most 'globalist' organisation that currently exists, so us leaving will be a massive blow to it, world wide, and could be the start of its downfall. I certainly don't believe that Brexit is a 'solve all' solution, and there'll still be a big struggle ahead, but it's the only possible option available to take a step in the right direction. People, mainly leavers, are massively overestimating how much influence we have and therefore how much impact leaving will have on the EU. That will play out over time, and it won't be in the direction they want it to go. The only way to stop Globalism is to create immediate economic harm by reversing the current trade model (will never happen) and ban technology (also will never happen). So you're perfectly entitled, although perhaps a little deluded, to think leaving will be a step in the right direction. It will make no difference. You're focusing on the wrong issue. The elephant in the room is automation and technology which are ultimately the main drivers of globalism. Brexit, Gilets Jaunes and populism are nothing but distractions and false dawns – illusions of choice and purpose. When you have no job, and your only source of income is from the state, you have no agency and then it will finally become clear that you have no say in the matter. By all means believe that you're creating a chance for change, or applying the brakes, go ahead, but it's a fantasy.
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| steve1984 07 Feb 19 11.08am | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
The plan was to leave. That's what we are doing. I would argue that the objective was to leave. Anyone got a plan yet?
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| steve1984 07 Feb 19 11.10am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
How on earth would you know as you don't live here Yeh you can only truly know anything about anywhere by actually being there. More joined up thinking.
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| Rubin 07 Feb 19 11.18am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
People, mainly leavers, are massively overestimating how much influence we have and therefore how much impact leaving will have on the EU. That will play out over time, and it won't be in the direction they want it to go. The only way to stop Globalism is to create immediate economic harm by reversing the current trade model (will never happen) and ban technology (also will never happen). So you're perfectly entitled, although perhaps a little deluded, to think leaving will be a step in the right direction. It will make no difference. You're focusing on the wrong issue. The elephant in the room is automation and technology which are ultimately the main drivers of globalism. Brexit, Gilets Jaunes and populism are nothing but distractions and false dawns – illusions of choice and purpose. When you have no job, and your only source of income is from the state, you have no agency and then it will finally become clear that you have no say in the matter. By all means believe that you're creating a chance for change, or applying the brakes, go ahead, but it's a fantasy. Agree with your assessment of automation, but a successful Brexit will trigger other countries wanting to follow us. I agree that at the stage we're at, any action in attempting to prevent the world going in the distopian way it's heading is a fairly long shot, but it's better than giving in to it.
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