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the AstraZeneca factory in Belgium.Tom-the-eagle  Croydon 28 Jan 21 2.14pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Correct, the UK could have had its own quotas as a few other member states do. I don't know why PM May did not take it up as it is right up her hawkish street. Too occupied with Windrush I expect.
Exactly what quotas are these you refer to? Please be specific in your answer. Genuinely want to know.
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 Badger11 Beckenham 28 Jan 21 2.31pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
There is no post-EU world. But there is a post-UK one. That is why Johnson and his side-kick Starmer are now falling over themselves to ingratiate the Scots, this time it's real. They must, to preserve the power of the Westminster elite, the 'establishment' (themselves). Anyone could see that the Scots and NI would be far better off free, look at covid and brexit, actually so would we with regional assemblies. As for 'levelling-up' the committee set up for this had 28 out of 30 members based south of Watford. There is another thread on Scottish independence so i will keep it brief. The economic argument for an independent Scotland doesn't add up but if they want their freedom so be it. As for NI the demographics say that there will be a united Ireland one day however the ROI may find itself facing a huge bill when this happens.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 28 Jan 21 2.32pm |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
And if we need more NHS staff from Europe, great, give people we require work permits and bring them over. We don’t however require more delivery drivers or Costa Coffee workers. The more of the missing 100 000 nhs staff we can employ, the more work will get done, the more medicine and ppe needed, the more delivery drivers needed, the more costa coff drunk by said staff- simples!
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 28 Jan 21 2.36pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Good to see the UK getting into line. 'Review of UK workers' rights post-Brexit is axed in sudden U-turn'. Nothing like taking back control, is there. Having your cake and eating it... -.-'
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| steeleye20 Croydon 28 Jan 21 2.36pm |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Exactly what quotas are these you refer to? Please be specific in your answer. Genuinely want to know. Not evading your point T, but it is up to the country to negotiate it with the EU. Basically under the freedom of movement directive you can remove undesirables for a period, if you take it up, but for some reason the UK did not want to. The idea was, that as there was concern over immigration, the EU would be flexible and allow member states what they wanted, within reason, without disturbing the principle of free movement.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 28 Jan 21 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
We could have opted out for up to 7 years which many of the others states did so when 10 new mainly Eastern European countries joined as we didn't the UK was the obvious destination. Anyway the quotas all ended between 2011 and 2014. Fish are definitely happier, I do concede that. I met a haddock on the way to Tescos this morning, and he was ecstatic.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 28 Jan 21 3.22pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Fish are definitely happier, I do concede that. I met a haddock on the way to Tescos this morning, and he was ecstatic.
If he was a Remainer he would be a Flounder. Edited by Badger11 (28 Jan 2021 3.22pm)
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cryrst  The garden of England 28 Jan 21 5.08pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Well that's you out then,no punters because of boris, no money because of boris but 3 houses because of boris. Not all bad really
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| Spiderman Horsham 28 Jan 21 5.20pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
There's so much misinformation about the EU and exactly what EU laws and regulations are and how they operate. We also could have operated a more stringent immigration and benefit regime under EU rules, we just chose not to. With freedom of movement can you please explain how we could have implemented a more stringent Immigration Control. Before you answer be aware I worked for Immigration/BF for over 30 years.
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| Spiderman Horsham 28 Jan 21 5.22pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Correct, the UK could have had its own quotas as a few other member states do. I don't know why PM May did not take it up as it is right up her hawkish street. Too occupied with Windrush I expect.
Absolute bs sorry. Wind rush was a mess but if Senior CS had allowed those “on the ground” with experience to take control it would not have happened. Having said that, as with everything, there was an element of abuse used by some. Edited by Spiderman (28 Jan 2021 5.32pm)
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| Spiderman Horsham 28 Jan 21 5.25pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Sorry I beg to differ. The only flexibility that the UK government did not implement on immigration was that after 3 months if a EU citizen had not found a job they could be deported. Oh and Blair chose not to to use quotas at the start. I think others on here can can probably explain better the problems and costs of deporting anyone so I guess the government decided it wasn't worth the effort. It is better to stop people coming in the first place than to remove them afterwards. The only flexibility we had was within the EU rules now we can make up our own rules. Edited by Badger11 (28 Jan 2021 12.55pm) With regard to the 3 month rule, EU nationals can travel in on ID cards and have no stamps placed in their passports, this was EU law! So how does anyone know when they entered? Absolutely no chance.
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| Spiderman Horsham 28 Jan 21 5.29pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Not evading your point T, but it is up to the country to negotiate it with the EU. Basically under the freedom of movement directive you can remove undesirables for a period, if you take it up, but for some reason the UK did not want to. The idea was, that as there was concern over immigration, the EU would be flexible and allow member states what they wanted, within reason, without disturbing the principle of free movement.
BF could only remove EU nationals on3 grounds, Public Health Public Policy and Public Security. I used to train on this subject so am aware of this, this was EU law. Unfortunately I cannot go into to much detail but those that think we had the option to put quotas into operation are totally wrong
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Henry of Peckham  Eton Mess 28 Jan 21 5.35pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
After 4 weeks,! Er ... we left over a year ago!
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| Stirlingsays 28 Jan 21 5.44pm |
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They should rename the thread, 'remoaner zombie resurrection'.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 28 Jan 21 5.59pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
BF could only remove EU nationals on3 grounds, Public Health Public Policy and Public Security. I used to train on this subject so am aware of this, this was EU law. Unfortunately I cannot go into to much detail but those that think we had the option to put quotas into operation are totally wrong Fair comment, and I repeat my original point it is better to filter out people before they come than to try and find and remove them.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 28 Jan 21 5.59pm |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
Er ... we left over a year ago! Yup but we only signed the trade deal 4 weeks ago.
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| Spiderman Horsham 28 Jan 21 6.01pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Fair comment, and I repeat my original point it is better to filter out people before they come than to try and find and remove them. Very true. Unfortunately I have no faith in our visa regime but that’s another story!!
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| Spiderman Horsham 28 Jan 21 6.14pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
They should rename the thread, 'remoaner zombie resurrection'. I think you mean rejoiners
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