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Originally posted by nickgusset
Labour is now judged in two polls to be 5% and 8% behind respectively. That is an astonishing closing of the polling. Corbyn's personal rating has improved significantly. All this is part of the mosaic of evidence that indicates Labour has conducted a far better campaign. That we are even talking about restricting her or even winning this election is evidence of a remarkable sea change. Nobody in the Labour Party should now be sowing disunity. Labour have a leader who is repairing it's reputation after two demoralising election defeats and he is doing it on an inspirational and popular programme. Corbyn will be beaten out of sight and posts like this just show how disconnected you are Nick. You just don't get it mate and I can't help you.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Labour is now judged in two polls to be 5% and 8% behind respectively. That is an astonishing closing of the polling. Corbyn's personal rating has improved significantly. All this is part of the mosaic of evidence that indicates Labour has conducted a far better campaign. That we are even talking about restricting her or even winning this election is evidence of a remarkable sea change. Nobody in the Labour Party should now be sowing disunity. Labour have a leader who is repairing it's reputation after two demoralising election defeats and he is doing it on an inspirational and popular programme. I wouldn't read too much in to the polls, last election we saw Ed and Dave neck and neck with both taking the lead. Dave came out with a majority. The only way it is a success for Labour is if they win imo. If they don't remove seats from the Tories, they change nothing and the Tories push for a harder brexit. If they take the majority from Tories, Labour will have to form a government with them. Yes that might mean a softer brexit, but with Labour entirely split on how to conduct brexit it's anyone's guess what will happen; and we saw what happened to the Lib Dems in the last election. (Lib Dems have advised they will not form a government with anyone. Nobody in the Labour party is showing disunity? They have done since Corbyn was presented as leader. The MPs are campaigning for their Jobs, not Corbyn. Labour Vets, ones you no doubt have praised over the years all despised Corbyn's leadership; Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Jack Straw, David Miliband and Alistair Campbell. Now suddenly he's a great leader? #ZahaForPrimeMinister Edited by Hansy (26 May 2017 9.38am)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Corbyn will be beaten out of sight and posts like this just show how disconnected you are Nick. You just don't get it mate and I can't help you. You might be right, but if recent history has taught us anything it's that making bold predictions like this has left many "experts" with egg on their face, let alone members of the general public. The odds are in May's favour and she may well win an increased majority. At the end of the day only one poll matters and there are plenty of people who will still be making their minds up.
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Originally posted by Hansy
I wouldn't read too much in to the polls, last election we saw Ed and Dave neck and neck with both taking the lead. Dave came out with a majority. The only way it is a success for Labour is if they win imo. If they don't remove seats from the Tories, they change nothing and the Tories push for a harder brexit. If they take the majority from Tories, Labour will have to form a government with them. Yes that might mean a softer brexit, but with Labour entirely split on how to conduct brexit it's anyone's guess what will happen; and we saw what happened to the Lib Dems in the last election. (Lib Dems have advised they will not form a government with anyone. Nobody in the Labour party is showing disunity? They have done since Corbyn was presented as leader. The MPs are campaigning for their Jobs, not Corbyn. Labour Vets, ones you no doubt have praised over the years all despised Corbyn's leadership; Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Jack Straw, David Miliband and Alistair Campbell. Now suddenly he's a great leader? #ZahaForPrimeMinister Edited by Hansy (26 May 2017 9.38am) If Labour win they will follow the path laid down in their manifesto for Brexit. Even MPs who don't like Corbyn will respect the mandate given to the party if they win. We've not seen any u-turns (yet) on the Labour manifesto (unlike other parties) so there is no reason to believe that those policies wouldn't be followed if they win. The road map they set out is not unfeasible.
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
If Labour win they will follow the path laid down in their manifesto for Brexit. Even MPs who don't like Corbyn will respect the mandate given to the party if they win. We've not seen any u-turns (yet) on the Labour manifesto (unlike other parties) so there is no reason to believe that those policies wouldn't be followed if they win. The road map they set out is not unfeasible. It's not just the Labour Manifesto they will have to pass through though. We saw how split the Labour MPs were when giving May powers to trigger Article 50. I agree, the manifesto is appealing and targeted correctly. But Brexit negotiations are due to conclude in 2 years.
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Originally posted by Hansy
It's not just the Labour Manifesto they will have to pass through though. We saw how split the Labour MPs were when giving May powers to trigger Article 50. I agree, the manifesto is appealing and targeted correctly. But Brexit negotiations are due to conclude in 2 years. If the Tories win they will waste the next 9 months throwing their toys out of the pram, posturing and making threats over the EU's non-negotiables (divorce bill, citizens' rights and Irish border). They've already put us back 3 months by having this election post article 50 rather than before it. May playing politics rather than doing what's necessary to get the best Brexit deal possible.
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
If the Tories win they will waste the next 9 months throwing their toys out of the pram, posturing and making threats over the EU's non-negotiables (divorce bill, citizens' rights and Irish border). They've already put us back 3 months by having this election post article 50 rather than before it. May playing politics rather than doing what's necessary to get the best Brexit deal possible. This is why the election was called. So she doesn't need to please the more right-wing tory MPs.
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Indeed. Think the main issue for Corbyn is this is taking him very close to arguments around American Imperialism. It is a debate we should be having, not just in our country but globally, but it is a very detailed one which two and a half weeks of electioneering won't be able to cover, and the Tories will just throw red scare and IRA stuff at him and hope no one looks at their record on sympathising with, training and importing terrorists.
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Well waddya know Neither party can add up
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Think the main issue for Corbyn is this is taking him very close to arguments around American Imperialism. It is a debate we should be having, not just in our country but globally, but it is a very detailed one which two and a half weeks of electioneering won't be able to cover, and the Tories will just throw red scare and IRA stuff at him and hope no one looks at their record on sympathising with, training and importing terrorists. Yep. US foreign policy over the last 50 years has caused so much grief and discord and vacuums for extremists to flourish that plenty of finger-pointing can be aimed at them. Their need to be at 'war' with someone, something, somewhere at any given time in order to justify their defence budget, the jobs of those connected to it, the profit made from it for big corporations, etc. Add all that and the exportation of the mass junk culture lifestyle, the vexatious litigation epidemic, the political correctness, etc. Not what i would call a healthy nor pleasant guardian of the world since the 1950's. 5/10 US - must try harder.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
The one thing in Corbyn's favour is that most aged under 40 won't remember nor hold a grudge against his politics and decision making back in the 70's and 80's. But he couldn't be any further from sweeping up any middle England right of centre votes from those who do remember if he tried. Blair managed it and that's why he won. It is virtually impossible for Corbyn to win. What would be best is that the Tory majority is somehow kept below 40 so they have some scrutiny with their oncoming more Brexit madness and other policies (usually iniquitous if ultra Tories are involved). But Corbyn is polling higher than Blair's majority in 2005. So he's clearly built a coalition of voters capable of winning an election, just maybe not this one because of particular boundary and party concerns. If UKIP hadn't fallen by the wayside so dramatically, he'd be on his way to no.10. He still might if this stuff about May as Home Sec allowing Libyan extremists in surfaces.
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Originally posted by serial thriller
But Corbyn is polling higher than Blair's majority in 2005. So he's clearly built a coalition of voters capable of winning an election, just maybe not this one because of particular boundary and party concerns. If UKIP hadn't fallen by the wayside so dramatically, he'd be on his way to no.10. He still might if this stuff about May as Home Sec allowing Libyan extremists in surfaces. This is Corbyn's only chance. If he doesn't win, then there will be another leadership contest. Whether he wants to resign or not is another question. UKIP achieved what they wanted. That is the problem with a single policy party, their downfall was expected.
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Originally posted by serial thriller
But Corbyn is polling higher than Blair's majority in 2005. So he's clearly built a coalition of voters capable of winning an election, just maybe not this one because of particular boundary and party concerns. If UKIP hadn't fallen by the wayside so dramatically, he'd be on his way to no.10. He still might if this stuff about May as Home Sec allowing Libyan extremists in surfaces. Nah. UKIP and Tories would have formed a coalition gov. Now that would be very scary. May is going to end up with 38-45% of the vote. I wish it weren't so but she will. The lower end of that may mean a hung parliament and wouldn't it be wonderful if that happened. The reins truly on the ultra-right rather than the loose cannons they are now.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Nah. UKIP and Tories would have formed a coalition gov. Now that would be very scary. May is going to end up with 38-45% of the vote. I wish it weren't so but she will. The lower end of that may mean a hung parliament and wouldn't it be wonderful if that happened. The reins truly on the ultra-right rather than the loose cannons they are now. So she hasn't called the election to gain more seats so she doesn't have to seek approval from the Far Right tories? What is she calling it for then?
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
You might be right, but if recent history has taught us anything it's that making bold predictions like this has left many "experts" with egg on their face, let alone members of the general public. The odds are in May's favour and she may well win an increased majority. At the end of the day only one poll matters and there are plenty of people who will still be making their minds up. I was right on the last election and Brexit. We shall see with this one. Polls rarely exclude those who are unlikely to vote. They just aren't going to vote for the far left. Even if it hurt me in the pocket I couldn't vote for a party with this attitude on defence and Britain's place in the world. Corbyn is an embarrassment to the land of Churchill.
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Labour somehow pulling off an election win would be possibly be the funniest thing to happen in politics ever.
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