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 Lyons550  Shirley 29 Oct 19 6.55pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Do or die! Come what may! Dead in a ditch! Brexit officially extended to 2020. What cross between a retarded sheep and a village idiot lemming amongst you can possibly think Boris Johnson has any shred of credibility left, and still support the bloody fool?
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| Lyons550 Shirley 29 Oct 19 7.02pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
All you are doing is repeating, parrot like, the same tired old phrases I have heard in the UK and elsewhere around the world, for the past 60 years about immigration. The world has changed and as part of the world we are impacted by those changes. My own parents held these types of views but as they were unworldly and not particularly well educated I could both understand why and forgave them. What's your excuse? Oh the irony!!
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| Badger11 Beckenham 29 Oct 19 7.06pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
You can definitely be old and gullible. It's by no means age exclusive. Leaving aside whether a 16yo is capable of making a rational choice there are other considerations. If at 16yo you are adult enough to vote then the criminal justice system should treat you as an adult and not as a child. It hardly seems fair that a 16yo gets all the perks of being an adult but none of the responsibilities.
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corkery  Cork City 29 Oct 19 7.10pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
As I predicted the opposition are trying to tack on reducing the voting age to 16 and also including EU citizens.
A fact for you. Irish citizens can vote in a UK referendum but UK citizens cannot vote in an Irish referendum.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 29 Oct 19 7.17pm |
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Originally posted by corkery
A fact for you. Irish citizens can vote in a UK referendum but UK citizens cannot vote in an Irish referendum. Thanks I did not know that. Before we rush off and give the vote to other EU citizens someone might want to check how expats are treated in the rest of the EU.
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palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 29 Oct 19 7.49pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Thanks I did not know that. Before we rush off and give the vote to other EU citizens someone might want to check how expats are treated in the rest of the EU.
Well I can tell you how it is in France: we can vote in local council and European elections and that’s it. We have no vote in governmental or presidential matters.
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| glazedallover Allier 29 Oct 19 8.02pm |
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland
Well I can tell you how it is in France: we can vote in local council and European elections and that’s it. We have no vote in governmental or presidential matters. You can vote in government elections if you take up french citizenship after the five year qualifying period.
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| Midlands Eagle 29 Oct 19 9.01pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
What cross between a retarded sheep and a village idiot lemming amongst you can possibly think Boris Johnson has any shred of credibility left, and still support the bloody fool? Me for starters
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| palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 29 Oct 19 9.19pm |
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Originally posted by glazedallover
You can vote in government elections if you take up french citizenship after the five year qualifying period. That’s true, but then you are not an expat, you’re a naturalised French citizen.
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 becky over the moon 29 Oct 19 9.19pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Leaving aside whether a 16yo is capable of making a rational choice there are other considerations. If at 16yo you are adult enough to vote then the criminal justice system should treat you as an adult and not as a child. It hardly seems fair that a 16yo gets all the perks of being an adult but none of the responsibilities. Shamina Begum - too young to know what she was doing according to some,but fit to vote on Brexit?
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| glazedallover Allier 29 Oct 19 9.32pm |
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland
That’s true, but then you are not an expat, you’re a naturalised French citizen. So ? You still retain your British citizenship. I don’t think you can claim UK citizenship simply by having residence there for 5 years.
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| YT Oxford 29 Oct 19 9.35pm |
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Originally posted by corkery
A fact for you. Irish citizens can vote in a UK referendum but UK citizens cannot vote in an Irish referendum. And indeed in a UK election. This has been the case for many years, long pre-dating the UK and the RoI joining the 'Common Market'. Citizens of Commonwealth countries resident in the UK can also vote in UK elections. In effect, Irish citizens living in the UK are for this purpose treated as though the RoI was in the Commonwealth. Edited by YT (29 Oct 2019 9.36pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 29 Oct 19 9.36pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Shamina Begum - too young to know what she was doing according to some,but fit to vote on Brexit? Why? Who is saying 15 year olds should vote?
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| palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 29 Oct 19 9.43pm |
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Originally posted by glazedallover
So ? You still retain your British citizenship. I don’t think you can claim UK citizenship simply by having residence there for 5 years. Ok. I don’t want to get into an expat spat over this. I was responding to Badgers point, which was this; “someone might want to check how expats are treated in the rest of the EU.” Which I took to be British (only) nationals abroad. Bonne nuit.
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| dannyboy1978 29 Oct 19 10.26pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Why? Who is saying 15 year olds should vote? No one but she went with an adult?
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 Hrolf The Ganger 29 Oct 19 10.39pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Why? Who is saying 15 year olds should vote? But you think 16 year olds should? Comedy gold.
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29 Oct 19 11.07pm| Maine Eagle USA 29 Oct 19 11.09pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
My voice, must be heard! Got that from Bercow.
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| Maine Eagle USA 29 Oct 19 11.10pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
How stupid do you have to be to parrot such nonsense? Answers on a postcard. Are you the retarded sheep or village idiot lemming?
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
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| Eustace H. Plimsoll Aldershot 29 Oct 19 11.28pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That has to be the clincher hasn't it? Something unquestionably sits instinctively slightly uncomfortably with me about the idea of 16-years-olds having enough understanding - as a (unfairly?) generalised group - to sensibly discern whom to vote for, but that's not good enough, is it? If we're going to take money from someone then we damn well better give them a say on how it's spent. If we don't like that then leave their money alone. Also, we've all encountered plenty of 18+ unutterable bellends who are entitled to vote and there's scant complaint there. (Furthermore, what about all the apparently incapable geriatrics that worry so many about their ability to drive? - should they be allowed to vote? If their faculties are so shot, I mean.) I reckon we need simply to suck it up and take it upon ourselves to try to encourage 16 and 17-year-olds to engage and take a comprehensive interest in current affairs and politics. (Inasmuch as people do generally, anyhow.) Either that or we all have to sit a test beforehand in order to try to achieve a passing grade entitling a vote. (That could be rather fun actually. If only to inspire an exciting fresh set of conspiracy theories.) What's the war-fighting age, by the way? (That's always raised.) 16? If so, then there's no argument, surely. (And if it's 18 then maybe 16-year-olds should only be allowed to vote if they absolutely promise to shoot at a nasty foreign-looking type on their way to the polling booth?)
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