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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Oh dear. If that isn't clutching at straws I don't know what is
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The 1st of November should be a National Holiday celebrating the end of brexit 2019 AD. I am just glad we are staying in the Soviet Union, that's all.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The 1st of November should be a National Holiday celebrating the end of brexit 2019 AD. I am just glad we are staying in the Soviet Union, that's all. You surely need help!
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Originally posted by susmik
You surely need help! That ship sailed a long time ago.
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Originally posted by becky
There is no straw too small to grasp at. Let me ask you a serious question. Please put aside for the moment whether you voted to Leave or Remain. If it is shown to be true that our own intelligence services found that the 2016 referendum was so compromised by foreign interference that it's result should be set aside then do you agree that it ought to be taken seriously and acted upon? Just imagine that they had discovered that Germany and France had interfered and the result had been a 52%:48% result in favour of Remain. Would Farage and all the ultra Brexiteers be sitting quietly and saying "it doesn't matter, it was the will of the people"? If there was interference in 2016 you can be sure that there will be again now. Trump has even done it openly. This isn't a question of tribal politics. This is about democracy itself and we ought all be concerned about that whatever our personal beliefs.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I've now found a short article hidden away on the BBC's website and even the anti Tory BBC seem to think that there is nothing to it other than yet another effort by Dominic Grieve to stir up trouble for Boris Johnson "the anti Tory BBC"! Try reading a few Labour supporting sites and see who they think the BBC support! Bias is in the eye of the beholder. Dominic Grieve has a responsibility above politics to bring malign interference in our democracy into public view. It's his duty.
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Originally posted by Badger11
And yet Parliament who you hold in such high esteem hasn't seen fit to demand a re-run of the election? I maybe wrong but I can't remember any party leader or heavyweight politician calling for a re-run due to fraud? If what I have heard is correct Mrs May was fully informed about this but concluded that the social disruption that would result from a reversal would be too heavy to bear and so she needed to press on and negotiate as soft a deal as she could. Then came Johnson. Now the report of the Parliamentary committee is read to be published and it seems is being kept from public view until after the election. Ask yourself why? I think we can expect a leak from somewhere. This could be as big as the Steele dossier!
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If what I have heard is correct Mrs May was fully informed about this but concluded that the social disruption that would result from a reversal would be too heavy to bear and so she needed to press on and negotiate as soft a deal as she could. Then came Johnson. Now the report of the Parliamentary committee is read to be published and it seems is being kept from public view until after the election. Ask yourself why? I think we can expect a leak from somewhere. This could be as big as the Steele dossier! Pesky Russians. There will be accusations they were involved in the US election next.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Let me ask you a serious question. Please put aside for the moment whether you voted to Leave or Remain. If it is shown to be true that our own intelligence services found that the 2016 referendum was so compromised by foreign interference that it's result should be set aside then do you agree that it ought to be taken seriously and acted upon? Just imagine that they had discovered that Germany and France had interfered and the result had been a 52%:48% result in favour of Remain. Would Farage and all the ultra Brexiteers be sitting quietly and saying "it doesn't matter, it was the will of the people"? If there was interference in 2016 you can be sure that there will be again now. Trump has even done it openly. This isn't a question of tribal politics. This is about democracy itself and we ought all be concerned about that whatever our personal beliefs.
Nah.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
"the anti Tory BBC"! Try reading a few Labour supporting sites and see who they think the BBC support! Bias is in the eye of the beholder. The BBC made a huge hoo-ha out of the grant given to Jennifer Arcuri running it as it's headline for quite a few days but when the Government confirmed that the grant was in order and that there had been no special treatment by Boris that was slipped in at the bottom of page 4 Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Dominic Grieve has a responsibility above politics to bring malign interference in our democracy into public view. It's his duty. Is there no end to the tripe that you trot out
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Pesky Russians. There will be accusations they were involved in the US election next. It's a fact that they play both sides against the middle and that a large part of their strategy is to simply disrupt and then destroy confidence in our democracy. it's obviously succeeding beyond their wildest dreams as the level of division that's been created is truly awful. The hatred generated towards the MPs being the more obvious example.
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Originally posted by W12
Dissolve the United Kingdom and return to an English parliament, return to the fundamentals of the English constitution and English common law and the concepts of individual rights, freedom of speech and the rule of law, freedom of association etc. Ensure all of our institutions respect diversity of opinion. Close our borders, deal head on with the myriad issues that multiculturalism has created. Good luck with that. It would be interesting to debate the pros and cons though. I’m assuming in your mind it’s all upside, of course.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's a fact that they play both sides against the middle and that a large part of their strategy is to simply disrupt and then destroy confidence in our democracy. it's obviously succeeding beyond their wildest dreams as the level of division that's been created is truly awful. The hatred generated towards the MPs being the more obvious example. I suspect the hatred toward politicians has been ramping up for some time. The almost total detestation of Margaret Thatcher in Scotland is something to see.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I suspect the hatred toward politicians has been ramping up for some time. The almost total detestation of Margaret Thatcher in Scotland is something to see. There is a strand of truth in what you say. One that has been understood well by the Russians and then exploited by them. We have all been used against one another.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Once again you demonstrate that you are uncomfortable with the truth and want to see political shenanigans in everything. Sometimes what you see is actually the simple truth. A Parliamentary committee has an important report which the public need to read before the election. The government appear to be blocking its publication. We need to know why and then to see the report. It is, allegedly, being sat on by a rather plump behind with a muffin top and a blonde straw thatched roof. Usually these reports are processed to be made available after 10 days. In this case it’s been 2 weeks, so there is most certainly a bit of game playing going on, as you’d expect. Nothing too dramatic really. Personally I doubt it’s that explosive, all Boris and the blue gimps are doing is preventing the left wing / centrist media getting hold of it so they can trump (sorry for the swear word) it up as much as possible to damage the tories. Russia probably had a go and produced a load of boomer ads that didn’t really get very far. However what I would say is don’t expect this to be the last attempt they make, or that they won’t learn each time they attempt it. Dismissing this as fantasy is in itself idiotic if you have even a tiny awareness of how much inter state hacking occurs on a daily basis. Ergo if you do dismiss it as a concept, you’re an idiot and you deserve the 21st century to swallow you whole. Well not even deserve, it just will. The irony of that is massive considering how many of you thump away on your keyboards 24/7. Frankly these days I doubt it would even make that much difference if the report had some validity, as most people are unable to see the truth even if it’s slapped round their face like a festering trout. Truth has become what you think or believe. Not what is actually true. If it doesn’t align with your own view, it’s false. Got to love technology. Not all doom and gloom though. Megabucks to be made out of playing all these confused muggleheads. Absolute masterstroke.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I suspect the hatred toward politicians has been ramping up for some time. The almost total detestation of Margaret Thatcher in Scotland is something to see. Agreed. It has certainly amplified both the mistakes made and their frequency. But the main thing is the history. Everything is now logged and committed to searchable public record. There is no longer any hiding place - virtually impossible to bury something these days. However it is possible to obfuscate through a deluge of spin and nefarious counter information, but that’s a relatively new phenomenon. One that they are now waking up to, and fighting back with. See Donald. As big a cock as he is, and despite his allegedly small size, he’s a genius at it. All that said, people hating / distrusting the political class is nothing new. Edited by SW19 CPFC (01 Nov 2019 11.16pm) Edited by SW19 CPFC (01 Nov 2019 11.19pm)
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Once again you demonstrate that you are uncomfortable with the truth and want to see political shenanigans in everything. Not so. I am merely uncomfortable with some of the drivel that you trot out claiming to be the truth whereas it often has no bearing on reality at all
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Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE
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