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 CambridgeEagle  Sydenham 26 May 17 6.14pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
My point was not whether the courts got the law right or wrong. My point was that a country should be able to allow in or not allow in whoever they want for whatever reason. I'll write to my MP and ask what she is doing about this appalling state of affairs. [How's your expertise in British history coming along by the way.] The law is the law and applies to everyone even if they are home secretary or even dear leader. The law is international law and has been the case since 1951. The point is that May is cruel and has acted unlawfully. This is a telling counterpoint with her allowing Libyan extremists to go back and forth between the UK and Libya to fight with extremist groups against Gaddafi. Dangerous, cruel, weak and wobbly and thinks she's above the law.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 26 May 17 6.22pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
The law is the law and applies to everyone even if they are home secretary or even dear leader. The law is international law and has been the case since 1951. The point is that May is cruel and has acted unlawfully. This is a telling counterpoint with her allowing Libyan extremists to go back and forth between the UK and Libya to fight with extremist groups against Gaddafi. Dangerous, cruel, weak and wobbly and thinks she's above the law. The government is quite rightly challenging this 'judgement' and has indicated it will seek leave to appeal to the supreme court and, pending that decision, is seeking a stay on the order that it must reconsider the group’s position.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 26 May 17 6.41pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
The government is quite rightly challenging this 'judgement' and has indicated it will seek leave to appeal to the supreme court and, pending that decision, is seeking a stay on the order that it must reconsider the group’s position. Being cruel and wasting tax payers money just to try and save face. If they lose I hope The Dear Leader personally pays for the costs.
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| matt_himself Matataland 26 May 17 7.08pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Being cruel and wasting tax payers money just to try and save face. If they lose I hope The Dear Leader personally pays for the costs. Will you remortgage on June 7, 'just to be safe'?
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 26 May 17 7.21pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Being cruel and wasting tax payers money just to try and save face. If they lose I hope The Dear Leader personally pays for the costs. 'Cruel' LOL - grow up.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 26 May 17 7.35pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
The government is quite rightly challenging this 'judgement' and has indicated it will seek leave to appeal to the supreme court and, pending that decision, is seeking a stay on the order that it must reconsider the group’s position. Leaving aside the legal niceties, why is a judgement from the UK (not European) Court of Appeal from some of the most well-qualified independent arbiters of law in the country a 'judgement' in your eyes? The rule of law is the rule of law. Don't sign up to the charters in the first place by all means - that is a government's right - but once you're signed up, you have to abide by it.
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 26 May 17 7.40pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Leaving aside the legal niceties, why is a judgement from the UK (not European) Court of Appeal from some of the most well-qualified independent arbiters of law in the country a 'judgement' in your eyes? The rule of law is the rule of law. Don't sign up to the charters in the first place by all means - that is a government's right - but once you're signed up, you have to abide by it. I merely think it is b*ll**ks (dangerous b*ll**ks at that) that a government can't choose who comes into their country.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 26 May 17 7.51pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I merely think it is b*ll**ks (dangerous b*ll**ks at that) that a government can't choose who comes into their country. Fair enough and why shouldn't anyone be allowed to feel that way? But the day when very, very senior independent judges are considered as "enemies of the people" (not by you HH, I'm of course talking about the Mail) is a day when those looking to exert more control over our freedoms get that much closer to achieving their goals. The (true) story about the UK-based Libyans with extremist links being given a free pass by the UK shows in some ways that our government actually can choose who comes in and out of the country, when it REALLY suits them.
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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 Hrolf The Ganger 26 May 17 7.58pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Fair enough and why shouldn't anyone be allowed to feel that way? But the day when very, very senior independent judges are considered as "enemies of the people" (not by you HH, I'm of course talking about the Mail) is a day when those looking to exert more control over our freedoms get that much closer to achieving their goals. The (true) story about the UK-based Libyans with extremist links being given a free pass by the UK shows in some ways that our government actually can choose who comes in and out of the country, when it REALLY suits them. It really highlights politician's attitude toward public safety and is no surprise to me. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 May 2017 7.59pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 May 17 8.06pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
The Tories are losing it. They couldn't specify anything wrong in Corbyn's speech so they described it as crass and ill timed. When they were watching it live looking for something concrete to attack they could only have been thinking, 's*** he's nailed it, and us'. Perhaps they fell asleep. Yawn!
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| Stirlingsays 26 May 17 8.06pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
The Tories are losing it. They couldn't specify anything wrong in Corbyn's speech so they described it as crass and ill timed. When they were watching it live looking for something concrete to attack they could only have been thinking, 's*** he's nailed it, and us'. You should be writing comedy for the BBC.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 26 May 17 8.06pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It really highlights politician's attitude toward public safety and is no surprise to me. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 May 2017 7.59pm) If Bliar was still at the helm, I would agree 100%.
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 May 17 8.29pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Perhaps they fell asleep. Yawn! Bantz ha ha ha.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 May 17 8.45pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
If Bliar was still at the helm, I would agree 100%. The party still has plenty of Blairites.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 26 May 17 9.07pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The party still has plenty of Blairites. And thankfully the new bloke is marginalising them. That's why his party has got my vote for the first time ever. Edited by Mr_Gristle (26 May 2017 9.10pm)
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 May 17 9.10pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
And thankfully the new bloke is marginalising them. That's why they've got my vote for the first time ever. And why they won't win an election...Ever. The party is swinging from one type of bonkers to another.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 26 May 17 9.12pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And why they won't win an election...Ever. The party is swinging from one type of bonkers to another. In your opinion. At least they are giving people reasons to vote FOR them. Contrast with the Tories, whose whole strategy for this and the last election is based on why you should be scared to vote for anyone else. Edited by Mr_Gristle (26 May 2017 9.13pm)
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 May 17 9.19pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
In your opinion. Edited by Mr_Gristle (26 May 2017 9.13pm) I haven't heard much from Labour except negative campaigning and hollow promises. Same old...
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 26 May 17 9.22pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I haven't heard much from Labour except negative campaigning and hollow promises. Same old... Really? As in putting aside bias (hard for both of us) and seriously believing what you've just said really? Fully costed promises that are 100% in line with the main body of the party membership's views are hollow? Blimey. I'll just leave it at that.
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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