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the.universal 27 Dec 19 9.07pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I understand how the court works and that is my point the powers of the PM are not clearly defined so Parliament rather than the SP should decide what they are. I disagreed with the SP's decision not because Johnson wasn't try to pull a fast one, he was, but because Parliament had other remedies and recourse but the opposition chose not to use them but let others take the PM to court. Anyway that is done and now with the dust settling Parliament should codify what the PM can and can't then the SP can make judgements based on that. Personally I think it is time we had a written constitution. Because it works so well in the states? :0/ Vive le Roy!

the.universal 27 Dec 19 9.07pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I understand how the court works and that is my point the powers of the PM are not clearly defined so Parliament rather than the SP should decide what they are.

I disagreed with the SP's decision not because Johnson wasn't try to pull a fast one, he was, but because Parliament had other remedies and recourse but the opposition chose not to use them but let others take the PM to court. Anyway that is done and now with the dust settling Parliament should codify what the PM can and can't then the SP can make judgements based on that.

Personally I think it is time we had a written constitution.

Because it works so well in the states? :0/

Vive le Roy!

Stirlingsays 28 Dec 19 3.03am
Originally posted by the.universal Because it works so well in the states? :0/ Well, the first amendment certainly does. No, 'hate speech' crap imposed by the state there.....it's from the corporations. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 Dec 19 3.03am

Originally posted by the.universal

Because it works so well in the states? :0/

Well, the first amendment certainly does.

No, 'hate speech' crap imposed by the state there.....it's from the corporations.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 28 Dec 19 3.05am
Originally posted by silvertop Ha the irony. Most analysts on the politics of the judiciary identify its right wing bias. However your criticism is correct but wrongly grounded. It was a pro leave backlash In what sense? Because it's not a 'right wing' that I recognise.....Seems very establishment neo and social liberal to me. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Dec 2019 3.10am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 Dec 19 3.05am

Originally posted by silvertop

Ha the irony. Most analysts on the politics of the judiciary identify its right wing bias.

However your criticism is correct but wrongly grounded. It was a pro leave backlash

In what sense?

Because it's not a 'right wing' that I recognise.....Seems very establishment neo and social liberal to me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Dec 2019 3.10am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 28 Dec 19 3.08am
Originally posted by silvertop They are more than aware that they are unelected which is why they always defer to the supremacy of primary legislation. The supreme court regularly checks the behaviour of government. This one got exposure because it is Brexit. However one thing that those who leaped aboard the "unelected" right wing backlash is the impact of court decisions. All they can do is declare a decision unlawful. It then goes back to government to have another go but this time do it lawfully. For that reason an effective check and balance. I didn't agree with their decision but you gave a good answer all the same. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 Dec 19 3.08am

Originally posted by silvertop

They are more than aware that they are unelected which is why they always defer to the supremacy of primary legislation.

The supreme court regularly checks the behaviour of government. This one got exposure because it is Brexit. However one thing that those who leaped aboard the "unelected" right wing backlash is the impact of court decisions. All they can do is declare a decision unlawful. It then goes back to government to have another go but this time do it lawfully.

For that reason an effective check and balance.

I didn't agree with their decision but you gave a good answer all the same.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

cryrst The garden of England 28 Dec 19 6.45am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays In what sense? Because it's not a 'right wing' that I recognise.....Seems very establishment neo and social liberal to me. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Dec 2019 3.10am) He may have meant the irony of the poster, what with me being a tory and all The english language eh.

cryrst

The garden of England 28 Dec 19 6.45am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

In what sense?

Because it's not a 'right wing' that I recognise.....Seems very establishment neo and social liberal to me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Dec 2019 3.10am)

He may have meant the irony of the poster, what with me being a tory and all
The english language eh.

Badger11 Beckenham 29 Dec 19 7.54am
Just in case anyone had any doubt about Tony Blair [Link] Sorry i don't have the full article but I think the first paragraph is enough, conflict of interest etc. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 29 Dec 19 7.54am

Just in case anyone had any doubt about Tony Blair

[Link]

Sorry i don't have the full article but I think the first paragraph is enough, conflict of interest etc.

One more point

Badger11 Beckenham 02 Jan 20 12.40pm
If you think we have problems here take a look at France and their railways. [Link] The French are not happy about their pensions being cut. The table by country is interesting funny how the basket cases spend the most on pensions even whey they can't afford it. I wonder how the French voters will feel if France ends up have to put more money into the EU because we have dropped out. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 02 Jan 20 12.40pm

If you think we have problems here take a look at France and their railways.

[Link]

The French are not happy about their pensions being cut. The table by country is interesting funny how the basket cases spend the most on pensions even whey they can't afford it.

I wonder how the French voters will feel if France ends up have to put more money into the EU because we have dropped out.

One more point

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jan 20 6.19pm
It won't surprise too many here to know I spend some time on pro-EU sites which are obviously now focussing on how to organise for the coming years. Without knowing exactly what kind of Brexit will be our actual destination, or when that might become a reality, precise planning is impossible. What is expected though is that the pendulum will swing the other way once the realities of leaving the EU start to bite and the jam promised for tomorrow just turns out to be thinly spread lard, and that we need to be ready for that, whenever it happens. Someone postulated the idea today that Brexit will collapse as soon as Trump is out of office. I am not so sure about that as in my view the USA will become a more appealing and trustworthy partner after his removal. What is certain is that there is currently a huge vacuum in English politics. Those whose natural instincts are for the centre ground, whether slightly to the left or right, now have no natural home. The Tories are over the horizon on the right and Labour over the opposite one on the left. Neither appear to be likely to move back to the centre anytime soon. Indeed Labour appear to be intent on self destruction. The LibDems ought to be the party that mops up but they carry a degree of baggage and lack leadership, or inspirational role models. As many, if not most, of these people will also be "Remainers", there is beginning to be a realisation that a new start needs to be made with an entirely new party coming into being. Just as Farage has changed politics on the right so something new needs to counter balance that. Not on the left, but in the centre. A centre which I believe has huge, and quite possibly majority, support in the country at large. In time such a party could embrace the LibDems, the Greens, the remaining centre left of the Labour Party and the centre right of the Tories. Of course things like this have been tried before, most recently in the last Parliament, and always failed. Now though the motivation to make it succeed is overwhelming. If we want to reverse Brexit and stop the ultimate break-up of the UK then it is an imperative. Just today I became aware of a relatively new pan-EU political party called "Volt". It's very early days but perhaps this, or something like it, will become the vehicle for the changes we so badly need. You can read about it here:-https://www.volteuropa.org/ One of it's aims is to reform the EU, which most of us believe is necessary. However, they also talk of establishing a "federal Europe" which I cannot see being so popular unless it is better explained and the benefits understood and appreciated. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 02 Jan 20 6.19pm

It won't surprise too many here to know I spend some time on pro-EU sites which are obviously now focussing on how to organise for the coming years.

Without knowing exactly what kind of Brexit will be our actual destination, or when that might become a reality, precise planning is impossible. What is expected though is that the pendulum will swing the other way once the realities of leaving the EU start to bite and the jam promised for tomorrow just turns out to be thinly spread lard, and that we need to be ready for that, whenever it happens.

Someone postulated the idea today that Brexit will collapse as soon as Trump is out of office. I am not so sure about that as in my view the USA will become a more appealing and trustworthy partner after his removal.

What is certain is that there is currently a huge vacuum in English politics. Those whose natural instincts are for the centre ground, whether slightly to the left or right, now have no natural home. The Tories are over the horizon on the right and Labour over the opposite one on the left. Neither appear to be likely to move back to the centre anytime soon. Indeed Labour appear to be intent on self destruction.

The LibDems ought to be the party that mops up but they carry a degree of baggage and lack leadership, or inspirational role models.

As many, if not most, of these people will also be "Remainers", there is beginning to be a realisation that a new start needs to be made with an entirely new party coming into being. Just as Farage has changed politics on the right so something new needs to counter balance that. Not on the left, but in the centre. A centre which I believe has huge, and quite possibly majority, support in the country at large.

In time such a party could embrace the LibDems, the Greens, the remaining centre left of the Labour Party and the centre right of the Tories.

Of course things like this have been tried before, most recently in the last Parliament, and always failed. Now though the motivation to make it succeed is overwhelming. If we want to reverse Brexit and stop the ultimate break-up of the UK then it is an imperative.

Just today I became aware of a relatively new pan-EU political party called "Volt". It's very early days but perhaps this, or something like it, will become the vehicle for the changes we so badly need. You can read about it here:-https://www.volteuropa.org/

One of it's aims is to reform the EU, which most of us believe is necessary. However, they also talk
of establishing a "federal Europe" which I cannot see being so popular unless it is better explained and the benefits understood and appreciated.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Badger11 Beckenham 02 Jan 20 6.37pm
The Remainers are still fighting in Parliament Corbyn has tabled an amendment which could mean a 2 year delay. [Link] Boris has added a leave date of 31 Dec 20 to put pressure on the EU to complete a deal in a reasonable time frame (sorry Jacques you can't have a 5 hour lunch). I have no doubt that if a deal is agreed in principle but needs a few more weeks to get through Parliament and the EU Boris can sell that to the country. As a former Project Manager the more time you give someone the more they take put them on a tight deadline and people start being creative. It will be interesting to see who votes for Jezza's amendment especially amongst the potential labour leadership candidates. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 02 Jan 20 6.37pm

The Remainers are still fighting in Parliament

Corbyn has tabled an amendment which could mean a 2 year delay.

[Link]

Boris has added a leave date of 31 Dec 20 to put pressure on the EU to complete a deal in a reasonable time frame (sorry Jacques you can't have a 5 hour lunch).

I have no doubt that if a deal is agreed in principle but needs a few more weeks to get through Parliament and the EU Boris can sell that to the country.

As a former Project Manager the more time you give someone the more they take put them on a tight deadline and people start being creative.

It will be interesting to see who votes for Jezza's amendment especially amongst the potential labour leadership candidates.

One more point

Stirlingsays 02 Jan 20 6.59pm
'The Tories are over the horizon on the right'. My first belly laugh of the new decade. The Tories aren't even right wing.....Until Johnson does anything on social policy they are still May's feminist party. Put me in charge.....I'll show you right frigging wing mate. May, the home secretary who reformed stop and search....because....feelings.....expanded 'hate speech' laws....which are an attack on free speech...homosexuality promoted in primary schools.....started feminist think tanks...minister for women. Cameron with 'gay marriage' when civil partnerships were previously touted as sufficient. God, you can smell the estrogen. The Tories aren't right wing in any self respecting definition of the word. They are neo and social liberal feminists....until they prove otherwise. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jan 2020 7.07pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

02 Jan 20 6.59pm

'The Tories are over the horizon on the right'.

My first belly laugh of the new decade.

The Tories aren't even right wing.....Until Johnson does anything on social policy they are still May's feminist party.

Put me in charge.....I'll show you right frigging wing mate.

May, the home secretary who reformed stop and search....because....feelings.....expanded 'hate speech' laws....which are an attack on free speech...homosexuality promoted in primary schools.....started feminist think tanks...minister for women. Cameron with 'gay marriage' when civil partnerships were previously touted as sufficient.

God, you can smell the estrogen. The Tories aren't right wing in any self respecting definition of the word.

They are neo and social liberal feminists....until they prove otherwise.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jan 2020 7.07pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jan 20 7.17pm
Whether you believe something is far to the left, or far to the right, always depends on where you are politically yourself. Go onto a Corbynista site and the Blair supporters are right wing Tories pretending to be Labour. The current Tories are little less than Nazis and Farage should be locked away in a psychiatric hospital. If you don't believe the current Tories are right wing then it is likely that you are even further to the right than they are. It is my belief that only those in the centre, like myself, can view both left and right with dispassionate objectivity. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 02 Jan 20 7.17pm

Whether you believe something is far to the left, or far to the right, always depends on where you are politically yourself.

Go onto a Corbynista site and the Blair supporters are right wing Tories pretending to be Labour. The current Tories are little less than Nazis and Farage should be locked away in a psychiatric hospital.

If you don't believe the current Tories are right wing then it is likely that you are even further to the right than they are.

It is my belief that only those in the centre, like myself, can view both left and right with dispassionate objectivity.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

cryrst The garden of England 02 Jan 20 7.25pm
Many 'right wingers' on here categorically said Corbyn's ideas had mileage but too much too soon. What bit of that doesnt hit home with you and your theories. No right winger would have any time for labour but some of their politicians are and can be appealing. Geez wissie you are just on another wind up.

cryrst

The garden of England 02 Jan 20 7.25pm

Many 'right wingers' on here categorically said Corbyn's ideas had mileage but too much too soon.
What bit of that doesnt hit home with you and your theories.
No right winger would have any time for labour but some of their politicians are and can be appealing.
Geez wissie you are just on another wind up.

Stirlingsays 02 Jan 20 7.29pm
When you don't have a right wing party the centre is not really the centre. On economical grounds I might agree with this positioning but not socially. The Conservatives under Cameron and then May abandoned Conservative social policies......We don't currently have a right wing party socially. The only thing the Conservatives are interested in conserving is their house prices. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jan 2020 7.33pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

02 Jan 20 7.29pm

When you don't have a right wing party the centre is not really the centre.

On economical grounds I might agree with this positioning but not socially.

The Conservatives under Cameron and then May abandoned Conservative social policies......We don't currently have a right wing party socially.

The only thing the Conservatives are interested in conserving is their house prices.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jan 2020 7.33pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Jan 20 7.30pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Whether you believe something is far to the left, or far to the right, always depends on where you are politically yourself. Go onto a Corbynista site and the Blair supporters are right wing Tories pretending to be Labour. The current Tories are little less than Nazis and Farage should be locked away in a psychiatric hospital. If you don't believe the current Tories are right wing then it is likely that you are even further to the right than they are. It is my belief that only those in the centre, like myself, can view both left and right with dispassionate objectivity. I guess those sitting on the fence can see in both directions. Is the pain in the backside worth it however? Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Jan 20 7.30pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whether you believe something is far to the left, or far to the right, always depends on where you are politically yourself.

If you don't believe the current Tories are right wing then it is likely that you are even further to the right than they are.

It is my belief that only those in the centre, like myself, can view both left and right with dispassionate objectivity.

I guess those sitting on the fence can see in both directions. Is the pain in the backside worth it however?

Red and Blue Army!

.TUX. 02 Jan 20 8.43pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It won't surprise too many here to know I spend some time on pro-EU sites which are obviously now focussing on how to organise for the coming years. Without knowing exactly what kind of Brexit will be our actual destination, or when that might become a reality, precise planning is impossible. What is expected though is that the pendulum will swing the other way once the realities of leaving the EU start to bite and the jam promised for tomorrow just turns out to be thinly spread lard, and that we need to be ready for that, whenever it happens. Someone postulated the idea today that Brexit will collapse as soon as Trump is out of office. I am not so sure about that as in my view the USA will become a more appealing and trustworthy partner after his removal. What is certain is that there is currently a huge vacuum in English politics. Those whose natural instincts are for the centre ground, whether slightly to the left or right, now have no natural home. The Tories are over the horizon on the right and Labour over the opposite one on the left. Neither appear to be likely to move back to the centre anytime soon. Indeed Labour appear to be intent on self destruction. The LibDems ought to be the party that mops up but they carry a degree of baggage and lack leadership, or inspirational role models. As many, if not most, of these people will also be "Remainers", there is beginning to be a realisation that a new start needs to be made with an entirely new party coming into being. Just as Farage has changed politics on the right so something new needs to counter balance that. Not on the left, but in the centre. A centre which I believe has huge, and quite possibly majority, support in the country at large. In time such a party could embrace the LibDems, the Greens, the remaining centre left of the Labour Party and the centre right of the Tories. Of course things like this have been tried before, most recently in the last Parliament, and always failed. Now though the motivation to make it succeed is overwhelming. If we want to reverse Brexit and stop the ultimate break-up of the UK then it is an imperative. Just today I became aware of a relatively new pan-EU political party called "Volt". It's very early days but perhaps this, or something like it, will become the vehicle for the changes we so badly need. You can read about it here:-https://www.volteuropa.org/ One of it's aims is to reform the EU, which most of us believe is necessary. However, they also talk of establishing a "federal Europe" which I cannot see being so popular unless it is better explained and the benefits understood and appreciated. Political vacuums currently exist worldwide. We're far from alone. The globalist agenda, which includes your beloved EU, has done nothing for the average person other than increase their current debt burden and reduce their future prosperity. People are fed up of being robbed by their 'representatives' and who in their right mind can blame them? Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

02 Jan 20 8.43pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It won't surprise too many here to know I spend some time on pro-EU sites which are obviously now focussing on how to organise for the coming years.

What is certain is that there is currently a huge vacuum in English politics. Those whose natural instincts are for the centre ground, whether slightly to the left or right, now have no natural home. The Tories are over the horizon on the right and Labour over the opposite one on the left. Neither appear to be likely to move back to the centre anytime soon. Indeed Labour appear to be intent on self destruction.

The LibDems ought to be the party that mops up but they carry a degree of baggage and lack leadership, or inspirational role models.

In time such a party could embrace the LibDems, the Greens, the remaining centre left of the Labour Party and the centre right of the Tories.

Political vacuums currently exist worldwide. We're far from alone.
The globalist agenda, which includes your beloved EU, has done nothing for the average person other than increase their current debt burden and reduce their future prosperity.

People are fed up of being robbed by their 'representatives' and who in their right mind can blame them?

Buy Litecoin.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jan 20 9.24pm
Originally posted by cryrst Many 'right wingers' on here categorically said Corbyn's ideas had mileage but too much too soon. What bit of that doesnt hit home with you and your theories. No right winger would have any time for labour but some of their politicians are and can be appealing. Geez wissie you are just on another wind up. I guess there could be several answers. Maybe that exceptions prove the rule, as always. Or that both extremes have always shared a few similarities. Or, most likely, that this place just contains some really odd characters. None of which have any real bearing on the original point. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 02 Jan 20 9.24pm

Originally posted by cryrst

I guess there could be several answers. Maybe that exceptions prove the rule, as always. Or that both extremes have always shared a few similarities. Or, most likely, that this place just contains some really odd characters.

None of which have any real bearing on the original point.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jan 20 9.30pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I guess those sitting on the fence can see in both directions. Is the pain in the backside worth it however? It can certainly get uncomfortable. Not so much with sitting on a fence producing pain in the backside as we don't. We occupy the high ground in the middle where there are plenty of others lending support but in both ears from the noisy neighbours down below. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 02 Jan 20 9.30pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I guess those sitting on the fence can see in both directions. Is the pain in the backside worth it however?

It can certainly get uncomfortable. Not so much with sitting on a fence producing pain in the backside as we don't. We occupy the high ground in the middle where there are plenty of others lending support but in both ears from the noisy neighbours down below.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Bobtail Crowborough 02 Jan 20 9.51pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Whether you believe something is far to the left, or far to the right, always depends on where you are politically yourself. Go onto a Corbynista site and the Blair supporters are right wing Tories pretending to be Labour. The current Tories are little less than Nazis and Farage should be locked away in a psychiatric hospital. If you don't believe the current Tories are right wing then it is likely that you are even further to the right than they are. It is my belief that only those in the centre, like myself, can view both left and right with dispassionate objectivity. With dispassionate objectivity, may I ask who or what calibrated you? How do you know you are in the centre? That is only your personal opinion. As usual, you are claiming to view things in a light that the rest of us are unable to see. Open your eyes, look up to the skies and see

Bobtail

Crowborough 02 Jan 20 9.51pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whether you believe something is far to the left, or far to the right, always depends on where you are politically yourself.

If you don't believe the current Tories are right wing then it is likely that you are even further to the right than they are.

It is my belief that only those in the centre, like myself, can view both left and right with dispassionate objectivity.

With dispassionate objectivity, may I ask who or what calibrated you? How do you know you are in the centre?
That is only your personal opinion.

As usual, you are claiming to view things in a light that the rest of us are unable to see.

Open your eyes, look up to the skies and see

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jan 20 9.57pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Political vacuums currently exist worldwide. We're far from alone. The globalist agenda, which includes your beloved EU, has done nothing for the average person other than increase their current debt burden and reduce their future prosperity. People are fed up of being robbed by their 'representatives' and who in their right mind can blame them? I would be interested to know who you think these "globalists" are and how they determine an agenda? From my perspective we are simply living in an increasingly interconnected and interdependent world which creates it's own agenda. Trying to resist it is as ultimately pointless as Canute's apocryphal effort with the tide or the Luddites destroying machines. In a changed world we need to adjust and find new ways. Change needs to be embraced and exploited, not sulked over. Some are obviously doing that just as entrepreneurs in a free economy have always done. Making sure change is managed to ensure the vulnerable don't suffer until they adjust is a political necessity but it is also somewhat socialistic in outlook. Our representatives aren't "robbing" us at all but if you think they are then do your democratic duty and change them. That's what has, to a degree, already happened. Now let us see how people react to this new batch. I think that very soon they might want the old lot back again. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 02 Jan 20 9.57pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

People are fed up of being robbed by their 'representatives' and who in their right mind can blame them?

I would be interested to know who you think these "globalists" are and how they determine an agenda?

From my perspective we are simply living in an increasingly interconnected and interdependent world which creates it's own agenda. Trying to resist it is as ultimately pointless as Canute's apocryphal effort with the tide or the Luddites destroying machines. In a changed world we need to adjust and find new ways. Change needs to be embraced and exploited, not sulked over. Some are obviously doing that just as entrepreneurs in a free economy have always done. Making sure change is managed to ensure the vulnerable don't suffer until they adjust is a political necessity but it is also somewhat socialistic in outlook.

Our representatives aren't "robbing" us at all but if you think they are then do your democratic duty and change them. That's what has, to a degree, already happened. Now let us see how people react to this new batch. I think that very soon they might want the old lot back again.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

.TUX. 02 Jan 20 9.58pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Whether you believe something is far to the left, or far to the right, always depends on where you are politically yourself. Go onto a Corbynista site and the Blair supporters are right wing Tories pretending to be Labour. The current Tories are little less than Nazis and Farage should be locked away in a psychiatric hospital. If you don't believe the current Tories are right wing then it is likely that you are even further to the right than they are. It is my belief that only those in the centre, like myself, can view both left and right with dispassionate objectivity. It is my belief that those who are apolitical have a far better understanding. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

02 Jan 20 9.58pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whether you believe something is far to the left, or far to the right, always depends on where you are politically yourself.

If you don't believe the current Tories are right wing then it is likely that you are even further to the right than they are.

It is my belief that only those in the centre, like myself, can view both left and right with dispassionate objectivity.

It is my belief that those who are apolitical have a far better understanding.

Buy Litecoin.

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