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BlueJay Flag UK 30 May 22 6.11pm

"Our entire department is thankful that the officers did not sustain any life threatening injuries."

No sh!t. They were exceptionally eager to ensure that was the case.

 

Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 31 May 22 9.30pm

I found this quite interesting, seeing as the Democrats seemed to be always supporting the Black cause…At least 21 Black staffers have left the White House since late last year or are planning to leave soon. Some of those who remain say it’s no wonder why: They describe a work environment with little support from their superiors and fewer chances for promotion.
The departures have been so pronounced that, according to one current and one former White House official, some Black aides have adopted a term for them: “Blaxit.”

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

BlueJay Flag UK 31 May 22 11.00pm

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

I found this quite interesting, seeing as the Democrats seemed to be always supporting the Black cause…At least 21 Black staffers have left the White House since late last year or are planning to leave soon. Some of those who remain say it’s no wonder why: They describe a work environment with little support from their superiors and fewer chances for promotion.
The departures have been so pronounced that, according to one current and one former White House official, some Black aides have adopted a term for them: “Blaxit.”

Biden was heard shouting 'you ain't black' as they left the building..

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Jun 22 11.12am

Originally posted by BlueJay

Biden was heard shouting 'you ain't black' as they left the building..

He was having one of his Mr T days again.

 


Red and Blue Army!

BlueJay Flag UK 01 Jun 22 11.35am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

He was having one of his Mr T days again.

They eventually escaped by getting on a plane..

 

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 01 Jun 22 12.05pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

They eventually escaped by getting on a plane..

...despite his initial reluctance.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

BlueJay Flag UK 01 Jun 22 2.28pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

...despite his initial reluctance.

Of course!

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 02 Jun 22 5.41am

4 dead in a hospital shooting. Geez wtf is going on in that country.

 

W12 02 Jun 22 5.47am

Originally posted by cryrst

4 dead in a hospital shooting. Geez wtf is going on in that country.

That’s not even a bad weekend in Chicago

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 22 11.25am

This is a little exchange I have had on FB. Someone posted this meme, which is about a kid replying to his teacher who told him that guns kill people, that his pencil failed his maths exam:-

[Link]

I commented:-"The difference is that pencils are very rarely lethal weapons and never capable of killing multiple people in a few seconds. It isn't just who is holding an object which matters. It's what the object is capable of doing that matters just as much."

And got back:-"You can leave a gun on top of a table harmless for years until a crazy dude touches it..... Got it?"

To which I replied:-"If the gun wasn't on the top of the table, the crazy dude couldn't touch it in the first place. Guns should only be, and always be, in the possession of those authorised, trained and safe to use them in the circumstances they were designed for. Military weapons in the possession of the military in military circumstances. Sporting weapons in sporting circumstances, and locked away when not. Personal protection weapons kept by the person when protection is demanded and locked away when not. Never left on table tops.............Got it?

Just shows how some people think over there.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (02 Jun 2022 11.27am)

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 02 Jun 22 12.16pm

Originally posted by W12

That’s not even a bad weekend in Chicago

That would be an excellent weekend in Chicago tbh.
Seems that the media pick and choose whose death is worthy of a mention and maybe the one doing the shooting is highlighted for certain characteristics.

 

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Jun 22 12.33pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This is a little exchange I have had on FB. Someone posted this meme, which is about a kid replying to his teacher who told him that guns kill people, that his pencil failed his maths exam:-

[Link]

I commented:-"The difference is that pencils are very rarely lethal weapons and never capable of killing multiple people in a few seconds. It isn't just who is holding an object which matters. It's what the object is capable of doing that matters just as much."

And got back:-"You can leave a gun on top of a table harmless for years until a crazy dude touches it..... Got it?"

To which I replied:-"If the gun wasn't on the top of the table, the crazy dude couldn't touch it in the first place. Guns should only be, and always be, in the possession of those authorised, trained and safe to use them in the circumstances they were designed for. Military weapons in the possession of the military in military circumstances. Sporting weapons in sporting circumstances, and locked away when not. Personal protection weapons kept by the person when protection is demanded and locked away when not. Never left on table tops.............Got it?

Just shows how some people think over there.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (02 Jun 2022 11.27am)

Did you mention that the statistics for the likelihood of a mass or otherwise shooting are significantly reduced if guns aren’t readily available to anyone?

There’s a brilliant line in the film ‘Watchmen’ which I feel is applicable in this circumstance:

‘Superhero’ 1: We’re here to protect people! (After attacking protesters)

‘Superhero’ 2: Protect them from what???

‘Superhero’ 1: Are you kidding me?? From themselves.

Correct me if I’m wrong please but isn’t it an ‘amendment’ right codified centuries ago to protect from the threat of invasion etc? Nice to see they’ve moved on. Best country in the world my a**e. Sounds cruel but that’s why I have little time for most of them, not all of course. It’s the greatest cult the world has ever seen.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

BlueJay Flag UK 02 Jun 22 12.49pm

Cultural divides are so much more profitable than everyone being on the same page. We're players in the game really, there is no real push from anyone who benefits politically or financially to resolve this issue. That then filters through to the 'maaaaa gunzzzz' mindset and makes dialogue a non starter.

Logically there will always be more guns than people Stateside, because guns are a national obsession. I don't even take a view on the good and bad of that, and if I lived there I'd certainly own one too. Where there should be some sanity is on the point that there are clearly certain guns that there are few necessary reasons to own outside of the military. If a rage filled 18 year old can legally buy a gun that can wipe out a group of schoolkids in seconds that would appear to be a problem. There are multiple videos of kids of 14 and 15 buying guns at gunshows no questions asked. The country gifts its citizens the ingredients for the exact outcomes it receives then is surprised each time it happens. Superpower, yes. Lost cause, also yes.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Jun 2022 12.50pm)

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 22 1.14pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Did you mention that the statistics for the likelihood of a mass or otherwise shooting are significantly reduced if guns aren’t readily available to anyone?

There’s a brilliant line in the film ‘Watchmen’ which I feel is applicable in this circumstance:

‘Superhero’ 1: We’re here to protect people! (After attacking protesters)

‘Superhero’ 2: Protect them from what???

‘Superhero’ 1: Are you kidding me?? From themselves.

Correct me if I’m wrong please but isn’t it an ‘amendment’ right codified centuries ago to protect from the threat of invasion etc? Nice to see they’ve moved on. Best country in the world my a**e. Sounds cruel but that’s why I have little time for most of them, not all of course. It’s the greatest cult the world has ever seen.

They dismiss statistics from other places as irrelevant to their circumstances. I have spent a considerable amount of time in the USA over the years, and also met many ex pat Americans during my time in the Philippines. Most are very pleasant people on a one to one basis, friendly and helpful. Their attitude to guns though runs deep and is founded on the concept that the safety of themselves, and their families, is vested in them personally and not in society generally. Together with an immovable belief that the Constitution is set in stone and cannot be changed to suit changed circumstances means their mindset is at odds with ours.

Then you have the NRA being such a powerful lobby in a political environment where this matters. Whilst the case for checks and the removal of military weapons might seem a no-brainer to us, it
isn't to the NRA.

There is no obvious answer, given the divided state of their politics.

The only hope is the rise of a truly charismatic leader who can speak truth to the hearts of everyone. Reform of the politics which reduces the power of lobby groups is a prerequisite, followed by much stricter moderation of all social media platforms to ensure that whilst the free expression of opinions continues, dangerous content is either flagged or removed.

Will it happen? No chance.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 02 Jun 22 1.27pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They dismiss statistics from other places as irrelevant to their circumstances. I have spent a considerable amount of time in the USA over the years, and also met many ex pat Americans during my time in the Philippines. Most are very pleasant people on a one to one basis, friendly and helpful. Their attitude to guns though runs deep and is founded on the concept that the safety of themselves, and their families, is vested in them personally and not in society generally. Together with an immovable belief that the Constitution is set in stone and cannot be changed to suit changed circumstances means their mindset is at odds with ours.

Then you have the NRA being such a powerful lobby in a political environment where this matters. Whilst the case for checks and the removal of military weapons might seem a no-brainer to us, it
isn't to the NRA.

There is no obvious answer, given the divided state of their politics.

The only hope is the rise of a truly charismatic leader who can speak truth to the hearts of everyone. Reform of the politics which reduces the power of lobby groups is a prerequisite, followed by much stricter moderation of all social media platforms to ensure that whilst the free expression of opinions continues, dangerous content is either flagged or removed.

Will it happen? No chance.

The immutability of the constitution is moot seeing there have been 27 amendments.
Another hope, albeit faint, is that the American people finally tire of burying family members and start to get rid of their guns.

 

BlueJay Flag UK 02 Jun 22 1.32pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The immutability of the constitution is moot seeing there have been 27 amendments.
Another hope, albeit faint, is that the American people finally tire of burying family members and start to get rid of their guns.

You would hope so, people have convinced themselves that 'any' change going forward (say future restrictions on buying semi automatic weapons) will result in people 'taking away their guns', so I don't see it. It's a ridiculous slippery slops fear anyway, as who presicely is going to take away guns from millions of Americans? I can't say I'd be applying for that job.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 02 Jun 22 1.48pm

The entire discussion is a complete non starter.

America is incredibly polarised and the gun issue is part of it.

Even common sense commentary, which isn't in fact very common, isn't going to get anywhere.

When America is at peace with itself....or more likely the two Americas are then perhaps some agreements can be found.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Jun 22 2.44pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The entire discussion is a complete non starter.

America is incredibly polarised and the gun issue is part of it.

Even common sense commentary, which isn't in fact very common, isn't going to get anywhere.

When America is at peace with itself....or more likely the two Americas are then perhaps some agreements can be found.

Oh yes absolutely agree.

I have been a few places, Arizona, New Hampshire, New York, Miami as a few but for me it is a very unsettling place.

I’ll enjoy the movies, the extremes displayed through documentary, enjoy the technology etc etc. But as far as common sense and any grip on reality goes, I could not possibly envision living there.

Still all very much a circus to me, I’ll therefore continue quite content as an amused or bemused spectator than participant thank you very much.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Stirlingsays Flag 02 Jun 22 3.15pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Oh yes absolutely agree.

I have been a few places, Arizona, New Hampshire, New York, Miami as a few but for me it is a very unsettling place.

I’ll enjoy the movies, the extremes displayed through documentary, enjoy the technology etc etc. But as far as common sense and any grip on reality goes, I could not possibly envision living there.

Still all very much a circus to me, I’ll therefore continue quite content as an amused or bemused spectator than participant thank you very much.

You are watching the decline of an empire.

You can trace it back to the sixties.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

BlueJay Flag UK 02 Jun 22 5.20pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Oh yes absolutely agree.

I have been a few places, Arizona, New Hampshire, New York, Miami as a few but for me it is a very unsettling place.

I’ll enjoy the movies, the extremes displayed through documentary, enjoy the technology etc etc. But as far as common sense and any grip on reality goes, I could not possibly envision living there.

Still all very much a circus to me, I’ll therefore continue quite content as an amused or bemused spectator than participant thank you very much.

Over the years I've been to rural and city areas stateside, but as the partisanship and rage amps it up, I feel less and less inclined to ever return. America is not the world.

Much like with you, there are certain aspects of Lady Liberty that I can admire from afar, but I now appreciate the dangers of getting my mitts on her tits.

 

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