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Anerley-Fried-Eagle Flag Fake Beckenham actually 24 Jun 16 10.19am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

A lot of blame must lie with those Labour Party members who thought it a good idea to vote for Corbyn as leader, who should be sitting in a cafe in Hampstead playing chess in his flip flops - totally incapable of addressing working class concerns about ithe mass movement of people

Edited by Slimey Toad (24 Jun 2016 10.11am)

Agreed. Corbyn who clearly doesnt believe in the EU but couldnt come out and say it, has not done himself any favours.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 Jun 16 10.21am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes of course Caroline Lucas, 'The prospect of shutting down the right to free movement is frightening.' We were all frightened when we didn't have free movement and couldn't cope or understand why we never had it.

There are things such as Visa's and passports you ignorant ***.

The floodgates opened in 2004. The housing crisis started hitting the headlines in 2005 ish. No plans for housing were made then and still aren't now. I'm not saying free movement instantly impacted on housing because the initial migration stats were low, but that gave the remainers a chance to say the AVERAGE immigration figures were x and not 330,000 and rising.

Quite agree.

Not really a major issue, given that freedom of movement hasn't been around that long. The big change was the easy of employment in different countries. Back before freedom of movement, you could easily travel around and visit European countries with ease. The only real impact is that without it, corporate exploitation of poorer EU countries to undermine working class people in the wealthier nations.

I'd be very worried however if I was a landlord. The rental and buy to let market is directly threatened by the prospect of an eventual decline in temporary working migrants. This has been keeping the housing market high. After all, if we end EU migration and phase out EU workers from the UK is going to mean several million less people renting in the UK - which could have big issues for home owners, people who own investment in property portfolios and especially landlords.

Of course its good news for people who don't own properties or have paid off the majority of their mortgage.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 24 Jun 16 10.22am

Originally posted by becky

Strangely, they are already up from the lowest point when it was realised that 'out' would win........

It was only traded on light volume. Those who wanted to stay up all night. The chances are there was nearly nobody bidding when it tanked so no surprises if loads of sellers come in it nosedives. Now everybody's woken up people are taking positions or having differng views.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Jun 16 10.26am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I think you underestimate people's intelligence. People voted based on experience and on what they see. The beauty of this referendum is that it completely transcended party politics and, personally, I don't think nearly as many people as you seem to believe were influenced by the shenanigans on both sides: in fact, I think it probably convinced them (if they still needed it) that politicians are a bunch of selfish, narcissistic w@nkers.

This result of this referendum wasn't just to give the EU the finger - it was to flip the bird at the entire political class. We should have them more often.

True to an extent, but there were still many who believed the hyperbole.

Still no sign of your assertion that the NHS claim was dismissed pre referendum...

I take it you concur with my last couple of paragraphs in that we need to pull together now the decision is made and look for the best way forward.

Edited by nickgusset (24 Jun 2016 10.27am)

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 24 Jun 16 10.26am

Originally posted by Catfish

Does this mean we will be blackballed from the Eurovision Song Contest?

Proof some of the Eastern Europeans don't really like us. They vote for each other and never us. Funny that. We're ok to use to accelerate their personal and national financial capital by taking earnings home but when it comes to a favour it's all forgotten.

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 24 Jun 16 10.29am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Age analysis of how people voted.

Nonsense. Poll data, pre-referendum.

Please stop, the campaign is over.

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 24 Jun 16 10.31am

Originally posted by nickgusset

True to an extent, but there were still many who believed the hyperbole.

Still no sign of your assertion that the NHS claim was dismissed pre referendum...

I take it you concur with my last couple of paragraphs in that we need to pull together now the decision is made and look for the best way forward.

Edited by nickgusset (24 Jun 2016 10.27am)

1. Define 'many'. Any figures you can supply?

2. The NHS claim was dropped, QED, the Leave campaign quietly dropped it after it was discredited. I certainly didn't see it resurface after that. Did you?

3. Couldn't agree more.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 24 Jun 16 10.32am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Farage has said on Good Morning Britain today that £350 million won't be going to the NHS and that 'it was a mistake to say that'

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The backtracking started before the official result had even been declared, with Nigel Farage saying the £350 million NHS claim was a ‘mistake’.

Official Leave campaign adverts on posters and buses claimed: ‘Let’s give our NHS the £350 million the EU takes every week’ and ‘We send the EU £350 million a week, let’s fund our NHS instead’.

But speaking on Good Morning Britain, the Ukip leader said he could not guarantee it would be possible and the Leave campaign should not have said it.

Susanna Reid, questioning him, asked: ‘That’s why many people have voted! You’re saying after 17 million people have voted for Leave – and that (advert) was a huge part of the propaganda.


What he said was:

1. He wasn't part of that side of the leave campaign.

2. The money saved there for a number of things. He included the NHS. This part has been left out.

What we will see in years to come are the lies told by Dave, George, all the debating group, Amber Rudd, the business leaders thinking only of short-term dividends in their 10 acre properties and to hell with the British people and the politicians whose only focus is GDP, not quality of life.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 24 Jun 16 10.34am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Because she's an interviewer without substance. The £350m a week figure was shown to be inaccurate early in the campaign and Leave dropped it, tacitly admitting it to be so. So why harp on about it now? And for her to suggest that that claim influenced people's voting intentions is, frankly, an insult to the intelligence.

Isn't the £350m figure subject to a loosening of the rebate (maybe subsidy reductions).

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 24 Jun 16 10.35am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Why then, am I not seeing what you assert on google searches?

You don't remember the hoo ha over the no-mark MP (Wollaston) switching sides because of this?

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Definitely came up in here.

I thought you'd go for something more weighty than breakfast TV, with a non-MP.

BBC news had some good stuff. "4 hours in - we're not under military attack and have still got the triple lock on pensions..."

 


Optimistic as ever

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Jun 16 10.37am

Originally posted by Stuk

You don't remember the hoo ha over the no-mark MP (Wollaston) switching sides because of this?

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Definitely came up in here.

I thought you'd go for something more weighty than breakfast TV, with a non-MP.

BBC news had some good stuff. "4 hours in - we're not under military attack and have still got the triple lock on pensions..."

Yes but was buried in the middle of an article. Hardly the same as sticking false assertations on the side of loads of buses.

Edited by nickgusset (24 Jun 2016 10.38am)

 

Stuk Flag Top half 24 Jun 16 10.39am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yes but was buried in the middle of an article.

It was the headline reason she gave for switching.And the campaign she left goes on to clarify the £350m.

You're clutching at straws if you think this wasn't made very clear pre-vote.

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 24 Jun 16 10.41am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Isn't the £350m figure subject to a loosening of the rebate (maybe subsidy reductions).

Very probably

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Hoof Hearted 24 Jun 16 10.44am

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

'The prospect of shutting down the right to free movement is frightening, as are the consequences of a campaign that has at times pitted neighbours against one another, whipped up fear and allowed lies and myths to take the place of truth.'

(Caroline Lucas MP)

'Appease the working classes in badly affected areas by setting up an immigration dividend fund to build Libraries and Leisure Centres'

(Caroline Lucas MP)

Fcuk me what a solution....... read a book or go for a swim to blow those immigration worries away!

-.-'

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Jun 16 10.45am

Originally posted by Stuk

It was the headline reason she gave for switching.And the campaign she left goes on to clarify the £350m.

You're clutching at straws if you think this wasn't made very clear pre-vote.

Disagree. We see it all the time. Big lie splashed over front pages of papers for days, clarification that corrects the misinformation on page 11 in the corner in very small font.

They shouldn't have used the lie in the first place. That's the core of the issue.

Edited by nickgusset (24 Jun 2016 10.46am)

 

tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 24 Jun 16 10.46am

What a depressing day. I think both choices were hard choices, Remain because it meant continuing to expose the UK to new people and ideas, and in so doing make it stronger and more competitive. Leave is hard because while the decision means an attempt to co**** the country socially, it will now have to negotiate all manner of treaties while at the same time having fewer resources with which to do it as companies withhold or withdraw investment. The government has been pretty useless at what they are currently doing, so giving it a whole lot more to do at a time of increased uncertainty only seems to mean the outcome will be worse.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 24 Jun 16 10.46am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Quite agree.

Not really a major issue, given that freedom of movement hasn't been around that long. The big change was the easy of employment in different countries. Back before freedom of movement, you could easily travel around and visit European countries with ease. The only real impact is that without it, corporate exploitation of poorer EU countries to undermine working class people in the wealthier nations.

I'd be very worried however if I was a landlord. The rental and buy to let market is directly threatened by the prospect of an eventual decline in temporary working migrants. This has been keeping the housing market high. After all, if we end EU migration and phase out EU workers from the UK is going to mean several million less people renting in the UK - which could have big issues for home owners, people who own investment in property portfolios and especially landlords.

Of course its good news for people who don't own properties or have paid off the majority of their mortgage.

Aaah, my heart bleeds. They've speculated. What goes up can come down. What I'd also like to see is Chinese investors drop a bundle on their empty apartments by the Thames and Shoreditch.

People who don't own properties. I voted for them and the youngsters who didn't see the housing crisis in years to come. I don't expect them to acknowledge or thank for it because they missed the thought of serving drinks in Europe for a year.

But we need to actually stop free movement and renegotiate tariffs with the EU. BMW, Mercedes et al will help with 20% of cars coming to the UK.

 


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Hoof Hearted 24 Jun 16 10.47am

Originally posted by Kermit8

That heavy rain in what were regarded as Remain areas was mightily suspicious.

And he's back in the room!

 

Hoof Hearted 24 Jun 16 10.49am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Now people have voted to get our country back it's time to renationalise railways,energy companies and the banks. Let's give our assets back to to the people. Run them for us not for foreign investors profits.

If you voted remain (as I did) pull together with the brexiters and push for real change against corporate interests.


Edited by nickgusset (24 Jun 2016 6.55am)

WOWZER.... what finally persuaded you to vote Remain?

We were all banking on you as a 'Leaver' or non voter.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Jun 16 10.50am

Absolutely knackered. Stayed up all night.

Thank goodness we are leaving.

Had we remained by similar margin, it would have been because of the Scots and that minorities of central London.

The average English person across the country wanted out by quite a wide margin.

My wife now tells me our holiday will now cost £300 more because she didn't pay it yesterday. She should go and work for the Bank of England who were similarly complacent.

 

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