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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 May 17 12.09pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Strange how no one trusts Labour with the economy then. One reason whey they will lose yet another election. [Link] Yep there's no in in this crowd. [Link]

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 28 May 17 12.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Strange how no one trusts Labour with the economy then.

One reason whey they will lose yet another election.

[Link]

Yep there's no in in this crowd. [Link]

Stirlingsays 28 May 17 12.11pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Must have been bad if you didn't learn about the biggest spy ring in British history. Your prejudice against grammar schools is based on your left wing ideology and dogma, not evidence. I'm against grammar schools as well. The private education system in general. I recognise that it can't just be abolished easily though. The public system has to be able to cope with the numbers first but as a long term aim I would definitely not have grammar schools. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 May 17 12.11pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Must have been bad if you didn't learn about the biggest spy ring in British history.
Your prejudice against grammar schools is based on your left wing ideology and dogma, not evidence.

I'm against grammar schools as well. The private education system in general. I recognise that it can't just be abolished easily though.

The public system has to be able to cope with the numbers first but as a long term aim I would definitely not have grammar schools.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 May 17 12.14pm
Take a look at @chunkymark's Tweet: [Tweet Link]

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 28 May 17 12.14pm

Take a look at @chunkymark's Tweet:

[Tweet Link]

Stirlingsays 28 May 17 12.19pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Take a look at @chunkymark's Tweet: [Tweet Link] He has said that. He's written about it in the past. In fact It's a lie to state otherwise. In essence Corbyn regards the British state aboard as a byword for imperialism. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 May 17 12.19pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Take a look at @chunkymark's Tweet:

[Tweet Link]

He has said that. He's written about it in the past.

In fact It's a lie to state otherwise. In essence Corbyn regards the British state aboard as a byword for imperialism.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hrolf The Ganger 28 May 17 12.50pm
Despite what TUX says,I a not a Tory boy. I voted UKIP last time. I just loathe the hypocrisy of Socialism and would not vote for a party with such a low calibre of MP's in any case. They are in a total mess and are making it easy for an average Tory Party. Labour are too concerned with the interests of minorities for political gain and at the expense of the majority. They have betrayed their former supporters from the working class. I have never lived through a Labour government which I thought improved the country. Why would I want to vote for that? A Labour government will not fix any of the current problems we are facing. They will almost certainly add to them.

Hrolf The Ganger

28 May 17 12.50pm

Despite what TUX says,I a not a Tory boy. I voted UKIP last time.

I just loathe the hypocrisy of Socialism and would not vote for a party with such a low calibre of MP's in any case. They are in a total mess and are making it easy for an average Tory Party.
Labour are too concerned with the interests of minorities for political gain and at the expense of the majority. They have betrayed their former supporters from the working class.
I have never lived through a Labour government which I thought improved the country.

Why would I want to vote for that?

A Labour government will not fix any of the current problems we are facing. They will almost certainly add to them.

Hrolf The Ganger 28 May 17 12.52pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'm against grammar schools as well. The private education system in general. I recognise that it can't just be abolished easily though. The public system has to be able to cope with the numbers first but as a long term aim I would definitely not have grammar schools. Grammar schools are nothing to do with private education. You get into one on merit.

Hrolf The Ganger

28 May 17 12.52pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm against grammar schools as well. The private education system in general. I recognise that it can't just be abolished easily though.

The public system has to be able to cope with the numbers first but as a long term aim I would definitely not have grammar schools.

Grammar schools are nothing to do with private education.
You get into one on merit.

hedgehog50 Croydon 28 May 17 1.22pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'm against grammar schools as well. The private education system in general. I recognise that it can't just be abolished easily though. The public system has to be able to cope with the numbers first but as a long term aim I would definitely not have grammar schools. We need to beef up comprehensives then. At the moment is is a bit like the old grammar schools and secondary moderns. Comprehensives in better areas, with better off parents, provide a better education than those in poorer areas. At least you had a chance of a good education in a grammar school if you were bright enough to get there. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 28 May 17 1.22pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm against grammar schools as well. The private education system in general. I recognise that it can't just be abolished easily though.

The public system has to be able to cope with the numbers first but as a long term aim I would definitely not have grammar schools.

We need to beef up comprehensives then. At the moment is is a bit like the old grammar schools and secondary moderns. Comprehensives in better areas, with better off parents, provide a better education than those in poorer areas. At least you had a chance of a good education in a grammar school if you were bright enough to get there.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Big Guy 28 May 17 1.46pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays He has said that. He's written about it in the past. In fact It's a lie to state otherwise. In essence Corbyn regards the British state aboard as a byword for imperialism. What he actually said about what causes terrorism was that it “in no way reduces the guilt of those who attack our children,” he said “Those terrorists will forever be reviled and held to account for their actions.” Do you not agree? Time to go Alan

Big Guy

28 May 17 1.46pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

He has said that. He's written about it in the past.

In fact It's a lie to state otherwise. In essence Corbyn regards the British state aboard as a byword for imperialism.

What he actually said about what causes terrorism was that it “in no way reduces the guilt of those who attack our children,” he said
“Those terrorists will forever be reviled and held to account for their actions.”
Do you not agree?

Time to go Alan

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 May 17 1.46pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Despite what TUX says,I a not a Tory boy. I voted UKIP last time. I just loathe the hypocrisy of Socialism and would not vote for a party with such a low calibre of MP's in any case. They are in a total mess and are making it easy for an average Tory Party. Labour are too concerned with the interests of minorities for political gain and at the expense of the majority. They have betrayed their former supporters from the working class. I have never lived through a Labour government which I thought improved the country. Why would I want to vote for that? A Labour government will not fix any of the current problems we are facing. They will almost certainly add to them. Can you point to one thing in the Labour Manifesto that betrays the working class?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 28 May 17 1.46pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Despite what TUX says,I a not a Tory boy. I voted UKIP last time.

Why would I want to vote for that?

A Labour government will not fix any of the current problems we are facing. They will almost certainly add to them.

Can you point to one thing in the Labour Manifesto that betrays the working class?

Stirlingsays 28 May 17 1.53pm
Originally posted by Big Guy What he actually said about what causes terrorism was that it “in no way reduces the guilt of those who attack our children,” he said “Those terrorists will forever be reviled and held to account for their actions.” Do you not agree? Yeah held to account by appeasing them. You are airbrushing his comments of the past which he has not disowned. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 May 17 1.53pm

Originally posted by Big Guy

Yeah held to account by appeasing them.

You are airbrushing his comments of the past which he has not disowned.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 28 May 17 1.54pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Can you point to one thing in the Labour Manifesto that betrays the working class? No reduction in immigration. No tackling of terrorism.....Which mainly affects the easy targets. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 May 17 1.54pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Can you point to one thing in the Labour Manifesto that betrays the working class?

No reduction in immigration.

No tackling of terrorism.....Which mainly affects the easy targets.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 28 May 17 1.56pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Grammar schools are nothing to do with private education. You get into one on merit. Na mate, it's biased towards those who have the resources to ensure their kids get into it. That's what the history of them shows. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 May 17 1.56pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Grammar schools are nothing to do with private education.
You get into one on merit.

Na mate, it's biased towards those who have the resources to ensure their kids get into it. That's what the history of them shows.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 28 May 17 2.05pm
More from the land of the cloud-cuckoo. Attachment: IMG_20170527_195445.jpg (56.11Kb) Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 28 May 17 2.05pm

More from the land of the cloud-cuckoo.

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Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 28 May 17 2.08pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Na mate, it's biased towards those who have the resources to ensure their kids get into it. That's what the history of them shows. I'm in favour of excellence in everything, including education. Grammar schools offer that opportunity to anyone, regardless of background. Holding back bright kids in sht comprehensives is just plain daft. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham*

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 28 May 17 2.08pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Na mate, it's biased towards those who have the resources to ensure their kids get into it. That's what the history of them shows.

I'm in favour of excellence in everything, including education. Grammar schools offer that opportunity to anyone, regardless of background. Holding back bright kids in sh*t comprehensives is just plain daft.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Stirlingsays 28 May 17 2.12pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt I'm in favour of excellence in everything, including education. Grammar schools offer that opportunity to anyone, regardless of background. Holding back bright kids in sh*t comprehensives is just plain daft. The best education systems in the world don't work like that. You are just repeating ideology. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 May 17 2.12pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

The best education systems in the world don't work like that. You are just repeating ideology.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Big Guy 28 May 17 2.12pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yeah held to account by appeasing them. You are airbrushing his comments of the past which he has not disowned. Such as? Go on. Mention the IRA. (Who talked their way to peace and now form part of NI govt) Next ...yawn... Time to go Alan

Big Guy

28 May 17 2.12pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah held to account by appeasing them.

You are airbrushing his comments of the past which he has not disowned.

Such as? Go on. Mention the IRA. (Who talked their way to peace and now form part of NI govt) Next ...yawn...

Time to go Alan

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 May 17 2.14pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays No reduction in immigration. No tackling of terrorism.....Which mainly affects the easy targets. Management of immigration are the words. We need to train up Brits before we can reduce immigration figures. If we reduce immigration and leave a skills shortage, it won't do us any good. No tackling of terrorism? Do go on.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 28 May 17 2.14pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No reduction in immigration.

No tackling of terrorism.....Which mainly affects the easy targets.

Management of immigration are the words. We need to train up Brits before we can reduce immigration figures. If we reduce immigration and leave a skills shortage, it won't do us any good.

No tackling of terrorism? Do go on.

Stirlingsays 28 May 17 2.18pm
Originally posted by Big Guy Such as? Go on. Mention the IRA. (Who talked their way to peace and now form part of NI govt) Next ...yawn... So revealing that you find that boring. Corbyn has nothing but appeasement to offer the British people in tackling a continuing and increasing Islamic terror problem. He can't even bring himself to call it what it is. The Tories are half way to pathetic but the far left are much worse. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 May 17 2.18pm

Originally posted by Big Guy

Such as? Go on. Mention the IRA. (Who talked their way to peace and now form part of NI govt) Next ...yawn...

So revealing that you find that boring.

Corbyn has nothing but appeasement to offer the British people in tackling a continuing and increasing Islamic terror problem. He can't even bring himself to call it what it is.

The Tories are half way to pathetic but the far left are much worse.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 28 May 17 2.19pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The best education systems in the world don't work like that. You are just repeating ideology. What ideology? It's common sense. Picking off the brightest of each generation and educating them to the highest possible standard is one of the best investments in its future the state can make. Just look at the piss-awful standards of literacy and numeracy all around you, standards which have fallen dramatically since comprehensive education came into being. Edited by Cucking Funt (28 May 2017 2.20pm) Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 28 May 17 2.19pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The best education systems in the world don't work like that. You are just repeating ideology.

What ideology? It's common sense. Picking off the brightest of each generation and educating them to the highest possible standard is one of the best investments in its future the state can make. Just look at the piss-awful standards of literacy and numeracy all around you, standards which have fallen dramatically since comprehensive education came into being.

Edited by Cucking Funt (28 May 2017 2.20pm)

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Stirlingsays 28 May 17 2.23pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Management of immigration are the words. We need to train up Brits before we can reduce immigration figures. If we reduce immigration and leave a skills shortage, it won't do us any good. No tackling of terrorism? Do go on. Utter nonsense. With no reduction in immigration British children from working class backgrounds will just find competition for jobs harder and harder. I've seen this in teaching and with respect I think it's a disservice not to recognise it. The only skills shortage is the skills shortage that has been deliberately caused to create the space for a cheaper workforce from aboard. Labour are the party that actually caused the problem in the first place in the nineties. Labour would do feck all about prioritizing British workers to do jobs first..It's a sop to the easily fooled..It goes against their egalitarian and internationalist beliefs. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 May 2017 2.45pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 May 17 2.23pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Management of immigration are the words. We need to train up Brits before we can reduce immigration figures. If we reduce immigration and leave a skills shortage, it won't do us any good.

No tackling of terrorism? Do go on.

Utter nonsense.

With no reduction in immigration British children from working class backgrounds will just find competition for jobs harder and harder. I've seen this in teaching and with respect I think it's a disservice not to recognise it.

The only skills shortage is the skills shortage that has been deliberately caused to create the space for a cheaper workforce from aboard. Labour are the party that actually caused the problem in the first place in the nineties.

Labour would do feck all about prioritizing British workers to do jobs first..It's a sop to the easily fooled..It goes against their egalitarian and internationalist beliefs.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 May 2017 2.45pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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