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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 12 Feb 21 2.26pm
Originally posted by NEILLO I totally agree. I would be very interested to see how our next manager goes about his business. Whenever that may be. I also think that after 4 years in the job, players usually need a ' different voice ' other than their present manager - whatever the club, with the exception of those that are serially winning things. But this constant criticism of Hodgson on here - some of it valid, some not and some plainly ludicrous - continues to ignore that fact that his methods achieve the objective set by his employer. So where is his motivation to change ? Ask yourself, and be honest...you enjoy your job, you are well paid for doing it and the way you do it satisfies your employers expectations - would YOU change ? completely valid point, but Hodgson and the owners can't be oblivious to stakeholder unrest and that our current 'way' is becoming obviously out of date. Good leadership anticipates disaster and course corrects. We're at that stage now.

Frickin Saweet

South Cronx 12 Feb 21 2.26pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

I totally agree.

I would be very interested to see how our next manager goes about his business. Whenever that may be.

I also think that after 4 years in the job, players usually need a ' different voice ' other than their present manager - whatever the club, with the exception of those that are serially winning things.

But this constant criticism of Hodgson on here - some of it valid, some not and some plainly ludicrous - continues to ignore that fact that his methods achieve the objective set by his employer. So where is his motivation to change ? Ask yourself, and be honest...you enjoy your job, you are well paid for doing it and the way you do it satisfies your employers expectations - would YOU change ?

completely valid point, but Hodgson and the owners can't be oblivious to stakeholder unrest and that our current 'way' is becoming obviously out of date. Good leadership anticipates disaster and course corrects. We're at that stage now.

taylors lovechild 12 Feb 21 2.34pm
On paper it is true Roy has at least achieved if not exceeded expectations, but it is also true that we are becoming an increasingly dour spectacle with performances seemingly getting worse season on season, even though results have remained largely similar. It could be down to personnel and our long injury list, but I'm not overly convinced it is just that. Of course it is a risk to make a change, but is anyone really convinced that the football is going to get any better with Roy at the helm? It would be nice for the club to make a managerial transition during a period of stability, rather than a fire-fighting one. After performances like Leeds I tend to come off the ropes wanting to push him out the door now, but I do recognise what he has given to the club so I think probably a summer departure would be the best way to say goodbye.

taylors lovechild

12 Feb 21 2.34pm

On paper it is true Roy has at least achieved if not exceeded expectations, but it is also true that we are becoming an increasingly dour spectacle with performances seemingly getting worse season on season, even though results have remained largely similar. It could be down to personnel and our long injury list, but I'm not overly convinced it is just that. Of course it is a risk to make a change, but is anyone really convinced that the football is going to get any better with Roy at the helm?

It would be nice for the club to make a managerial transition during a period of stability, rather than a fire-fighting one. After performances like Leeds I tend to come off the ropes wanting to push him out the door now, but I do recognise what he has given to the club so I think probably a summer departure would be the best way to say goodbye.

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Feb 21 3.00pm
Originally posted by Willo My learned friend,in the higher court of HOL, I acted as Mark Clattenburg's 'Defence Lawyer' and then as now the arguments of the Prosecution were defeated neck and crop. -.-' Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2021 2.14pm) Was that at the same time you were Jimmy Carr's tax accountant Willo? Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Feb 21 3.00pm

Originally posted by Willo

My learned friend,in the higher court of HOL, I acted as Mark Clattenburg's 'Defence Lawyer' and then as now the arguments of the Prosecution were defeated neck and crop.
-.-'

Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2021 2.14pm)

Was that at the same time you were Jimmy Carr's tax accountant Willo?

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 3.04pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Was that at the same time you were Jimmy Carr's tax accountant Willo? Good heavens, NO ! Never acted as his 'Defence barrister' either !!!!

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 3.04pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Was that at the same time you were Jimmy Carr's tax accountant Willo?

Good heavens, NO !

Never acted as his 'Defence barrister' either !!!!

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 12 Feb 21 3.26pm
Originally posted by Frickin Saweet completely valid point, but Hodgson and the owners can't be oblivious to stakeholder unrest and that our current 'way' is becoming obviously out of date. Good leadership anticipates disaster and course corrects. We're at that stage now. Agreed - which loops nicely back around to my point that it's the employer that should be attracting the criticism, not the employee ! Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 12 Feb 21 3.26pm

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

Agreed - which loops nicely back around to my point that it's the employer that should be attracting the criticism, not the employee !

Old, Ungifted and White

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 12 Feb 21 3.53pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Oh come on, you know it runs much deeper than this. Playing a different style doesn’t necessarily mean moving from the sublime to the ridiculous. There are all manner of changes that a new manager can make including shape, transition, attacking tactics, early tactical substitutions, seeing different things in different players, having a different approach to youth, fitness regimes, the list is pretty endless. So just to say that fans want to see free flowing high octane football is not really fair on fans who are asking to see change. Agreed. I think the problem for many fans and especially those in the Roy IN camp, is who the mysterious new manager will be and will he be up to the job of: - firstly, managing a difficult summer transfer window (quite probably with limited new money)? - secondly, stabilizing the new squad? - thirdly, not doing a FdB and trying to get the squad playing a totally different brand of football from Day 1? and - finally, keeping us in this league whilst trying to transform our playing style? Whoever comes in is not going to have an easy task.

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 12 Feb 21 3.53pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Oh come on, you know it runs much deeper than this. Playing a different style doesn’t necessarily mean moving from the sublime to the ridiculous. There are all manner of changes that a new manager can make including shape, transition, attacking tactics, early tactical substitutions, seeing different things in different players, having a different approach to youth, fitness regimes, the list is pretty endless. So just to say that fans want to see free flowing high octane football is not really fair on fans who are asking to see change.

Agreed. I think the problem for many fans and especially those in the Roy IN camp, is who the mysterious new manager will be and will he be up to the job of:
- firstly, managing a difficult summer transfer window (quite probably with limited new money)?
- secondly, stabilizing the new squad?
- thirdly, not doing a FdB and trying to get the squad playing a totally different brand of football from Day 1? and
- finally, keeping us in this league whilst trying to transform our playing style?

Whoever comes in is not going to have an easy task.

jeeagles 12 Feb 21 4.11pm
Originally posted by doombear Agreed. I think the problem for many fans and especially those in the Roy IN camp, is who the mysterious new manager will be and will he be up to the job of: - firstly, managing a difficult summer transfer window (quite probably with limited new money)? - secondly, stabilizing the new squad? - thirdly, not doing a FdB and trying to get the squad playing a totally different brand of football from Day 1? and - finally, keeping us in this league whilst trying to transform our playing style? Whoever comes in is not going to have an easy task. Playing 3 at the back clearly didn't suit the players we had at the time. But playing a midfield pair with the age, movement, and passing ability of Luka and MacArthur is just as bad. Last season we tried to add Kayoute to the mix who's worse on the ball than the pair of them and it was totally ineffective. Whilst possession football isn't the be all and end all, the three of them can barely complete a pass. Like FdB, Roy is also trying to force his way of playing on the team that isn't working. Reidewald/Luka/Eze or Reidewald/McCarthy/Luka is would be the best combo's to play depending on who the opposition are in my opinion. There's plenty of managers that could work that out. If I start naming them, the deluded Roy supporters such as Tickled Pink will start hunting down blemishes on all the candidates career, and blindside the Roy's massive failures with Liverpool, England and others.

jeeagles

12 Feb 21 4.11pm

Originally posted by doombear

Whoever comes in is not going to have an easy task.

Playing 3 at the back clearly didn't suit the players we had at the time.

But playing a midfield pair with the age, movement, and passing ability of Luka and MacArthur is just as bad. Last season we tried to add Kayoute to the mix who's worse on the ball than the pair of them and it was totally ineffective.

Whilst possession football isn't the be all and end all, the three of them can barely complete a pass.

Like FdB, Roy is also trying to force his way of playing on the team that isn't working.

Reidewald/Luka/Eze or Reidewald/McCarthy/Luka is would be the best combo's to play depending on who the opposition are in my opinion.

There's plenty of managers that could work that out.

If I start naming them, the deluded Roy supporters such as Tickled Pink will start hunting down blemishes on all the candidates career, and blindside the Roy's massive failures with Liverpool, England and others.

Tickled pink Cornwall 12 Feb 21 5.02pm
Originally posted by jeeagles Playing 3 at the back clearly didn't suit the players we had at the time. But playing a midfield pair with the age, movement, and passing ability of Luka and MacArthur is just as bad. Last season we tried to add Kayoute to the mix who's worse on the ball than the pair of them and it was totally ineffective. Whilst possession football isn't the be all and end all, the three of them can barely complete a pass. Like FdB, Roy is also trying to force his way of playing on the team that isn't working. Reidewald/Luka/Eze or Reidewald/McCarthy/Luka is would be the best combo's to play depending on who the opposition are in my opinion. There's plenty of managers that could work that out. If I start naming them, the deluded Roy supporters such as Tickled Pink will start hunting down blemishes on all the candidates career, and blindside the Roy's massive failures with Liverpool, England and others. Lol, he did fail yes but they weren't massive ..come on, You fully understand my feelings as you've highlighted nicely some of our players ability in the passing department and I don't as you seem to believe dislike you, most of what you say makes perfectly good sense ..other subjects included.

Tickled pink

Cornwall 12 Feb 21 5.02pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Playing 3 at the back clearly didn't suit the players we had at the time.

Whilst possession football isn't the be all and end all, the three of them can barely complete a pass.

Like FdB, Roy is also trying to force his way of playing on the team that isn't working.

Reidewald/Luka/Eze or Reidewald/McCarthy/Luka is would be the best combo's to play depending on who the opposition are in my opinion.

There's plenty of managers that could work that out.

Lol, he did fail yes but they weren't massive ..come on, You fully understand my feelings as you've highlighted nicely some of our players ability in the passing department and I don't as you seem to believe dislike you, most of what you say makes perfectly good sense ..other subjects included.

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 12 Feb 21 5.44pm
Originally posted by jeeagles Playing 3 at the back clearly didn't suit the players we had at the time. But playing a midfield pair with the age, movement, and passing ability of Luka and MacArthur is just as bad. Last season we tried to add Kayoute to the mix who's worse on the ball than the pair of them and it was totally ineffective. Whilst possession football isn't the be all and end all, the three of them can barely complete a pass. Like FdB, Roy is also trying to force his way of playing on the team that isn't working. Reidewald/Luka/Eze or Reidewald/McCarthy/Luka is would be the best combo's to play depending on who the opposition are in my opinion. There's plenty of managers that could work that out. If I start naming them, the deluded Roy supporters such as Tickled Pink will start hunting down blemishes on all the candidates career, and blindside the Roy's massive failures with Liverpool, England and others. I don't think that's a fair comparison. With FDB it was revolution, not evolution. And 4 defeats and no goals scored wasn't working. Hodgson is getting enough from the players that keep us out of real trouble. So not true to say it isn't working. More reasonable to suggest that his tactics have become increasingly difficult for the group of players that are now 4 years older and struggling with the changing demands that are made of them... As for blemishes on candidates - the only one's likely to be free from those are the likes of John Terry that haven't had a managers job before and so haven't been sacked ! Although when it comes to him I can think of some personal ones... Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 12 Feb 21 5.44pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Playing 3 at the back clearly didn't suit the players we had at the time.

Whilst possession football isn't the be all and end all, the three of them can barely complete a pass.

Like FdB, Roy is also trying to force his way of playing on the team that isn't working.

Reidewald/Luka/Eze or Reidewald/McCarthy/Luka is would be the best combo's to play depending on who the opposition are in my opinion.

There's plenty of managers that could work that out.

I don't think that's a fair comparison.

With FDB it was revolution, not evolution. And 4 defeats and no goals scored wasn't working. Hodgson is getting enough from the players that keep us out of real trouble. So not true to say it isn't working.

More reasonable to suggest that his tactics have become increasingly difficult for the group of players that are now 4 years older and struggling with the changing demands that are made of them...

As for blemishes on candidates - the only one's likely to be free from those are the likes of John Terry that haven't had a managers job before and so haven't been sacked ! Although when it comes to him I can think of some personal ones...

Old, Ungifted and White

MonsterMunch Cambridge 12 Feb 21 6.23pm
Originally posted by Willo Burnley hardly play attractive football and in recent seasons we have scored more goals than them. I was just pondering as to whether Sean Dyche attracts similar criticism from their supporters to that directed at Mr Hodgson from our fanbase. Dyche imo has a weaker squad and has had very little money to spend and has delivered top half finishes and european football. Football wise Burnley passed us off the pitch at Selhurst last season. Would not be my first choice but would be the safest choice to replace Roy imo.

MonsterMunch

Cambridge 12 Feb 21 6.23pm

Originally posted by Willo

Burnley hardly play attractive football and in recent seasons we have scored more goals than them.
I was just pondering as to whether Sean Dyche attracts similar criticism from their supporters to that directed at Mr Hodgson from our fanbase.

Dyche imo has a weaker squad and has had very little money to spend and has delivered top half finishes and european football. Football wise Burnley passed us off the pitch at Selhurst last season. Would not be my first choice but would be the safest choice to replace Roy imo.

slubglurge welling 12 Feb 21 6.34pm
Originally posted by MonsterMunch Dyche imo has a weaker squad and has had very little money to spend and has delivered top half finishes and european football. Football wise Burnley passed us off the pitch at Selhurst last season. Would not be my first choice but would be the safest choice to replace Roy imo. Only two of our players would get in the Burnley team, Wilf and Eze. They are stronger than us in every position bar these two

slubglurge

welling 12 Feb 21 6.34pm

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

Only two of our players would get in the Burnley team, Wilf and Eze. They are stronger than us in every position bar these two

MonsterMunch Cambridge 12 Feb 21 6.48pm
Originally posted by slubglurge Only two of our players would get in the Burnley team, Wilf and Eze. They are stronger than us in every position bar these two No chance. Only Pope, Tarkowski, McNeil and Wood. Argument for Barnes. That’s it. Imo.

MonsterMunch

Cambridge 12 Feb 21 6.48pm

Originally posted by slubglurge

Only two of our players would get in the Burnley team, Wilf and Eze. They are stronger than us in every position bar these two

No chance. Only Pope, Tarkowski, McNeil and Wood. Argument for Barnes. That’s it. Imo.

slubglurge welling 12 Feb 21 7.30pm
Originally posted by MonsterMunch No chance. Only Pope, Tarkowski, McNeil and Wood. Argument for Barnes. That’s it. Imo. Its only opinion but Bardsley Tarkowski Mee and Taylor are superior than our back four who currently are a shambles

slubglurge

welling 12 Feb 21 7.30pm

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

No chance. Only Pope, Tarkowski, McNeil and Wood. Argument for Barnes. That’s it. Imo.

Its only opinion but Bardsley Tarkowski Mee and Taylor are superior than our back four who currently are a shambles

Plaistow Eagle 12 Feb 21 7.38pm
Originally posted by Tickled pink Kane was head and shoulders above anyone else at the time with basically kicking the ball at distance anywhere, at the time of the loss Gary Neville said the decision was happily decided between everyone because everyone decided we had enough good players in the box to cause them enough problems especially with excellent balls in ..and you haven't got to do the Jeez..!! for the benefit of others reading. What the hell are you on about..!! So now players that played for England in that game couldn't "kick a ball" any distance. Mate football at that level goes way beyond being able to "kick a ball"..!! As for the "Jeez" - simple solution to that stop posting such ridiculous comments..!! COYP

Plaistow Eagle

12 Feb 21 7.38pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Kane was head and shoulders above anyone else at the time with basically kicking the ball at distance anywhere, at the time of the loss Gary Neville said the decision was happily decided between everyone because everyone decided we had enough good players in the box to cause them enough problems especially with excellent balls in ..and you haven't got to do the Jeez..!! for the benefit of others reading.

What the hell are you on about..!!

So now players that played for England in that game couldn't "kick a ball" any distance.

Mate football at that level goes way beyond being able to "kick a ball"..!!

As for the "Jeez" - simple solution to that stop posting such ridiculous comments..!!

COYP

MonsterMunch Cambridge 12 Feb 21 8.09pm
Originally posted by slubglurge Its only opinion but Bardsley Tarkowski Mee and Taylor are superior than our back four who currently are a shambles I think Clyne has done himself justice but other than that can’t really argue with that!

MonsterMunch

Cambridge 12 Feb 21 8.09pm

Originally posted by slubglurge

Its only opinion but Bardsley Tarkowski Mee and Taylor are superior than our back four who currently are a shambles

I think Clyne has done himself justice but other than that can’t really argue with that!

Ali_Campbell New Addington 12 Feb 21 9.04pm
Those Roy out fans who are so against the style of football cannot then be in favour for Dyche IMO. The football is the same, 4-4-2. Both teams try and go 1-0 up and hold on. Every game they have gone behind this season, they have lost.

Ali_Campbell

New Addington 12 Feb 21 9.04pm

Those Roy out fans who are so against the style of football cannot then be in favour for Dyche IMO. The football is the same, 4-4-2. Both teams try and go 1-0 up and hold on. Every game they have gone behind this season, they have lost.

Gribbo Bromley 12 Feb 21 9.25pm
Its like 2 bald men arguing over a comb. Both teams play sh!t football, and try to scrape enough points to stay above the newly promoted teams. Eventually you get caught, ask Stoke. The question is, could Dyche get more out of our players, to even be considered for the role, assuming he would want to come.

Gribbo

Bromley 12 Feb 21 9.25pm

Its like 2 bald men arguing over a comb.

Both teams play sh!t football, and try to scrape enough points to stay above the newly promoted teams. Eventually you get caught, ask Stoke.

The question is, could Dyche get more out of our players, to even be considered for the role, assuming he would want to come.

Frickin Saweet South Cronx 12 Feb 21 10.21pm
BBC News - Football Focus: Marcelo Bielsa has taken my game to another level - Luke Ayling [Link] Thought this was timely as there have been comparisons but our approach vs Leeds' and what is more effective. This interview sums up what a fresher younger manager could bring and the individual difference it can make to each player. I don't think that anyone in our first team is being developed and motivated like this.

Frickin Saweet

South Cronx 12 Feb 21 10.21pm

BBC News - Football Focus: Marcelo Bielsa has taken my game to another level - Luke Ayling
[Link]

Thought this was timely as there have been comparisons but our approach vs Leeds' and what is more effective. This interview sums up what a fresher younger manager could bring and the individual difference it can make to each player. I don't think that anyone in our first team is being developed and motivated like this.

pompeyeagle Relocated to Shropshire 12 Feb 21 10.42pm
Originally posted by Ali_Campbell Those Roy out fans who are so against the style of football cannot then be in favour for Dyche IMO. The football is the same, 4-4-2. Both teams try and go 1-0 up and hold on. Every game they have gone behind this season, they have lost. Completely agree. If you don’t like the way we play football under Roy, and I don’t, then Dyche is definitely not the answer.

pompeyeagle

Relocated to Shropshire 12 Feb 21 10.42pm

Originally posted by Ali_Campbell

Completely agree. If you don’t like the way we play football under Roy, and I don’t, then Dyche is definitely not the answer.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 11.00pm
Originally posted by Frickin Saweet BBC News - Football Focus: Marcelo Bielsa has taken my game to another level - Luke Ayling [Link] Thought this was timely as there have been comparisons but our approach vs Leeds' and what is more effective. This interview sums up what a fresher younger manager could bring and the individual difference it can make to each player. I don't think that anyone in our first team is being developed and motivated like this. As I mentioned quite recently Bielsa is renowned for improving players and that Bamford is much improved under him.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 11.00pm

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

BBC News - Football Focus: Marcelo Bielsa has taken my game to another level - Luke Ayling
[Link]

As I mentioned quite recently Bielsa is renowned for improving players and that Bamford is much improved under him.

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