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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 20 6.10pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC How to put yourself out of business: [Link] Not remotely true. There are a huge number of people who will welcome this very sensible approach. Maintaining a sensible voice within the other European countries will act as a counter weight to the current impression being gained in many that we have all turned xenophobic and hostile. The noises coming out of the government and the right wing press are doing us no favours at all. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 20 6.10pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

How to put yourself out of business:

[Link]

Not remotely true.

There are a huge number of people who will welcome this very sensible approach. Maintaining a sensible voice within the other European countries will act as a counter weight to the current impression being gained in many that we have all turned xenophobic and hostile. The noises coming out of the government and the right wing press are doing us no favours at all.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

cryrst The garden of England 02 Mar 20 7.26pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Not remotely true. There are a huge number of people who will welcome this very sensible approach. Maintaining a sensible voice within the other European countries will act as a counter weight to the current impression being gained in many that we have all turned xenophobic and hostile. The noises coming out of the government and the right wing press are doing us no favours at all. But all the left wing press are correct!

cryrst

The garden of England 02 Mar 20 7.26pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not remotely true.

But all the left wing press are correct!

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 20 8.44pm
Originally posted by cryrst But all the left wing press are correct! I didn't suggest they were. They are though very much less in number and the right wing press are not creating a good impression at the moment. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 20 8.44pm

Originally posted by cryrst

But all the left wing press are correct!

I didn't suggest they were. They are though very much less in number and the right wing press are not creating a good impression at the moment.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

cryrst The garden of England 02 Mar 20 8.46pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I didn't suggest they were. They are though very much less in number and the right wing press are not creating a good impression at the moment. And your point is ?

cryrst

The garden of England 02 Mar 20 8.46pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I didn't suggest they were. They are though very much less in number and the right wing press are not creating a good impression at the moment.

And your point is ?

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 20 8.55am
Originally posted by cryrst And your point is ? That there is an awful lot of bs being put out there by the government which is supported/driven by the right wing press which is damaging our reputation, especially with our neighbours in Europe. Who also happen to be our biggest trading partners and allies. Macho positioning isn't very constructive. Maybe when the information contained in this piece becomes more widely known the tide will begin to turn. Not yet though. The coronavirus is a nice little diversion for Johnson to keep the country's attention away from the now banned "Brexit":- [Link] For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 20 8.55am

Originally posted by cryrst

And your point is ?

That there is an awful lot of bs being put out there by the government which is supported/driven by the right wing press which is damaging our reputation, especially with our neighbours in Europe. Who also happen to be our biggest trading partners and allies. Macho positioning isn't very constructive.

Maybe when the information contained in this piece becomes more widely known the tide will begin to turn. Not yet though. The coronavirus is a nice little diversion for Johnson to keep the country's attention away from the now banned "Brexit":-

[Link]

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Midlands Eagle 03 Mar 20 9.02am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The coronavirus is a nice little diversion for Johnson to keep the country's attention away from the now banned "Brexit":- Spoken like a true remoaner

Midlands Eagle

03 Mar 20 9.02am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The coronavirus is a nice little diversion for Johnson to keep the country's attention away from the now banned "Brexit":-

Spoken like a true remoaner

Stirlingsays 03 Mar 20 9.06am
This guy can't move on. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

03 Mar 20 9.06am

This guy can't move on.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

DANGERCLOSE London 03 Mar 20 10.02am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays This guy can't move on. Agreed

DANGERCLOSE

London 03 Mar 20 10.02am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This guy can't move on.

Agreed

Badger11 Beckenham 03 Mar 20 12.05pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That there is an awful lot of bs being put out there by the government which is supported/driven by the right wing press which is damaging our reputation, especially with our neighbours in Europe. Who also happen to be our biggest trading partners and allies. Macho positioning isn't very constructive. Maybe when the information contained in this piece becomes more widely known the tide will begin to turn. Not yet though. The coronavirus is a nice little diversion for Johnson to keep the country's attention away from the now banned "Brexit":- [Link] So tell that to the EU. Mrs May for all her faults was courteous and respectful to the EU her reward was simply bad manners from a host of EU politicians and bureaucrats. So I am fine with a bit of posturing by Johnson it would appear to be the only language they do understand and yet again you take the side of the EU. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 03 Mar 20 12.05pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

[Link]

So tell that to the EU.

Mrs May for all her faults was courteous and respectful to the EU her reward was simply bad manners from a host of EU politicians and bureaucrats.

So I am fine with a bit of posturing by Johnson it would appear to be the only language they do understand and yet again you take the side of the EU.

One more point

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 20 10.56pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Spoken like a true remoaner Where's the "moaning". It's simply an observation on how a new crisis like this may well deliver an unexpected political benefit to the government. On the other hand if we end up with a huge financial hit, either just here or because of a global recession, then it could deliver the reverse. For once it looks as though Johnson is actually listening to the real experts and not just to Cummings. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 20 10.56pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Spoken like a true remoaner

Where's the "moaning".

It's simply an observation on how a new crisis like this may well deliver an unexpected political benefit to the government.

On the other hand if we end up with a huge financial hit, either just here or because of a global recession, then it could deliver the reverse.

For once it looks as though Johnson is actually listening to the real experts and not just to Cummings.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

.TUX. 03 Mar 20 11.11pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Where's the "moaning". It's simply an observation on how a new crisis like this may well deliver an unexpected political benefit to the government. On the other hand if we end up with a huge financial hit, either just here or because of a global recession, then it could deliver the reverse. For once it looks as though Johnson is actually listening to the real experts and not just to Cummings. The EU has had ''a huge financial hit'' for years now yet you never mention this fact, for some reason? Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

03 Mar 20 11.11pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Where's the "moaning".

It's simply an observation on how a new crisis like this may well deliver an unexpected political benefit to the government.

On the other hand if we end up with a huge financial hit, either just here or because of a global recession, then it could deliver the reverse.

For once it looks as though Johnson is actually listening to the real experts and not just to Cummings.

The EU has had ''a huge financial hit'' for years now yet you never mention this fact, for some reason?

Buy Litecoin.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 20 11.15pm
Originally posted by Badger11 So tell that to the EU. Mrs May for all her faults was courteous and respectful to the EU her reward was simply bad manners from a host of EU politicians and bureaucrats. So I am fine with a bit of posturing by Johnson it would appear to be the only language they do understand and yet again you take the side of the EU. I don't see anything other than the truth coming from the EU. They agreed a "deal". Now our government seem intent on breaking it. Trust is essential between partners if real progress is going to happen. Nor have I seen bad manners from the EU in the past either. What I have seen is a considerable degree of patience in the face of something they believe to be incredibly ill advised. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 20 11.15pm

Originally posted by Badger11

So tell that to the EU.

Mrs May for all her faults was courteous and respectful to the EU her reward was simply bad manners from a host of EU politicians and bureaucrats.

So I am fine with a bit of posturing by Johnson it would appear to be the only language they do understand and yet again you take the side of the EU.

I don't see anything other than the truth coming from the EU. They agreed a "deal". Now our government seem intent on breaking it. Trust is essential between partners if real progress is going to happen.

Nor have I seen bad manners from the EU in the past either. What I have seen is a considerable degree of patience in the face of something they believe to be incredibly ill advised.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Stirlingsays 04 Mar 20 5.31am
The self described 'one nation conservative'....who sides with the foreign body. As false as the day he turned up. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

04 Mar 20 5.31am

The self described 'one nation conservative'....who sides with the foreign body.

As false as the day he turned up.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 04 Mar 20 7.41am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don't see anything other than the truth coming from the EU. They agreed a "deal". Now our government seem intent on breaking it. Trust is essential between partners if real progress is going to happen. Nor have I seen bad manners from the EU in the past either. What I have seen is a considerable degree of patience in the face of something they believe to be incredibly ill advised. Seriously? Mrs May being ignored publicly at an EU meeting. The rest of them going off to a dinner but she wasn't invited. Comments from Macron, Barnier, Varadker etc. etc. I wonder how many people who didn't vote in the referendum or voted Remain changed their minds when they saw her being humiliated on a regular basis. I think she was a hopeless PM but she was trying to accommodate all sides and the EU just stuck the knife in hoping she would lose job and they would get a remain PM. Well it back fired on them. Go Boris, they want to play hard ball fine by me just ask the French fishermen, wine growers and farmers how's it going? At some point the penny will drop with them that we are not going to fold on our independence. Now maybe this will be after we have gone to WTO rules, the choice is theirs continue to try and punish us or come to a sensible and fair trade deal. Stirling has a point like a lot of Remainers you can never criticise the EU I was more than happy to point out our short comings and will do so again if Boris comes up with a bad deal. Edited by Badger11 (04 Mar 2020 7.45am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 04 Mar 20 7.41am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Nor have I seen bad manners from the EU in the past either. What I have seen is a considerable degree of patience in the face of something they believe to be incredibly ill advised.

Seriously?

Mrs May being ignored publicly at an EU meeting. The rest of them going off to a dinner but she wasn't invited. Comments from Macron, Barnier, Varadker etc. etc.

I wonder how many people who didn't vote in the referendum or voted Remain changed their minds when they saw her being humiliated on a regular basis.

I think she was a hopeless PM but she was trying to accommodate all sides and the EU just stuck the knife in hoping she would lose job and they would get a remain PM. Well it back fired on them.

Go Boris, they want to play hard ball fine by me just ask the French fishermen, wine growers and farmers how's it going?

At some point the penny will drop with them that we are not going to fold on our independence. Now maybe this will be after we have gone to WTO rules, the choice is theirs continue to try and punish us or come to a sensible and fair trade deal.

Stirling has a point like a lot of Remainers you can never criticise the EU I was more than happy to point out our short comings and will do so again if Boris comes up with a bad deal.

Edited by Badger11 (04 Mar 2020 7.45am)

One more point

davenotamonkey 04 Mar 20 9.55am
The latest global university rankings are now out: [Link] The EU starts at the very bottom of page 2 (50th ranked, beaten by Bristol University). If the EU is so incredible for education and research, why are these institutions ranked so badly? We have 5 universities in the top 20. Non-EU (presumably therefore "non-European" Switzerland have 2 in the top 20. We have been no more-or-less competitive in gaining "EU funding" (our taxpayer money, minus hefty EU-Commission commission) than our similarly-sized competitors on the continent. So why is the EU unable to raise the rankings of it's universities?

davenotamonkey

04 Mar 20 9.55am

The latest global university rankings are now out:

[Link]

The EU starts at the very bottom of page 2 (50th ranked, beaten by Bristol University). If the EU is so incredible for education and research, why are these institutions ranked so badly?

We have 5 universities in the top 20. Non-EU (presumably therefore "non-European" Switzerland have 2 in the top 20. We have been no more-or-less competitive in gaining "EU funding" (our taxpayer money, minus hefty EU-Commission commission) than our similarly-sized competitors on the continent. So why is the EU unable to raise the rankings of it's universities?

Badger11 Beckenham 04 Mar 20 10.09am
Originally posted by davenotamonkey The latest global university rankings are now out: [Link] The EU starts at the very bottom of page 2 (50th ranked, beaten by Bristol University). If the EU is so incredible for education and research, why are these institutions ranked so badly? We have 5 universities in the top 20. Non-EU (presumably therefore "non-European" Switzerland have 2 in the top 20. We have been no more-or-less competitive in gaining "EU funding" (our taxpayer money, minus hefty EU-Commission commission) than our similarly-sized competitors on the continent. So why is the EU unable to raise the rankings of it's universities? I'm not sure you can blame the EU for the performance of education in individual countries that said wow just wow. Still I expect the Remainers will claim that the success of UK colleges is down to EU funding. Anyway well done to our universities as for the EU not our problem. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 04 Mar 20 10.09am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

The latest global university rankings are now out:

[Link]

The EU starts at the very bottom of page 2 (50th ranked, beaten by Bristol University). If the EU is so incredible for education and research, why are these institutions ranked so badly?

I'm not sure you can blame the EU for the performance of education in individual countries that said wow just wow.

Still I expect the Remainers will claim that the success of UK colleges is down to EU funding.

Anyway well done to our universities as for the EU not our problem.

One more point

davenotamonkey 04 Mar 20 12.48pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I'm not sure you can blame the EU for the performance of education in individual countries that said wow just wow. Still I expect the Remainers will claim that the success of UK colleges is down to EU funding. Anyway well done to our universities as for the EU not our problem. Well, they made "Erasmus" and "losing (cough) EU funding" a central part of why leaving the EU is a "bad idea". I'm trying to see why remaining, based on these rankings, is a good idea. I think we're agreed that the University industry's stance (and it is an industry now...) that Brexit will destroy their standings in research and teaching is hogwash.

davenotamonkey

04 Mar 20 12.48pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I'm not sure you can blame the EU for the performance of education in individual countries that said wow just wow.

Still I expect the Remainers will claim that the success of UK colleges is down to EU funding.

Anyway well done to our universities as for the EU not our problem.

Well, they made "Erasmus" and "losing (cough) EU funding" a central part of why leaving the EU is a "bad idea". I'm trying to see why remaining, based on these rankings, is a good idea.

I think we're agreed that the University industry's stance (and it is an industry now...) that Brexit will destroy their standings in research and teaching is hogwash.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Mar 20 3.22pm
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Well, they made "Erasmus" and "losing (cough) EU funding" a central part of why leaving the EU is a "bad idea". I'm trying to see why remaining, based on these rankings, is a good idea. I think we're agreed that the University industry's stance (and it is an industry now...) that Brexit will destroy their standings in research and teaching is hogwash. The trouble with third level institutions is that no-one is allowed to be the voice of dissent. It is either sign up to the agenda or get the sack. People like David Starkey, Charles Murray and Richard Dawkins are incredibly rare. Basically, they are not reliant on keeping people happy to keep their jobs. They are all established and well-off. If a young academic was to follow in their footsteps - they would never be heard of again. As part of an EU project on borders, I wrote a paper about why EU Federalism was doomed to failure. [I cited previous attempts at European unification] It was due to be published - I was told in no uncertain terms to withdraw my paper or face ostracism. I didn't do the heroic thing, let's put it that way. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Mar 20 3.22pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Well, they made "Erasmus" and "losing (cough) EU funding" a central part of why leaving the EU is a "bad idea". I'm trying to see why remaining, based on these rankings, is a good idea.

I think we're agreed that the University industry's stance (and it is an industry now...) that Brexit will destroy their standings in research and teaching is hogwash.

The trouble with third level institutions is that no-one is allowed to be the voice of dissent. It is either sign up to the agenda or get the sack. People like David Starkey, Charles Murray and Richard Dawkins are incredibly rare. Basically, they are not reliant on keeping people happy to keep their jobs. They are all established and well-off. If a young academic was to follow in their footsteps - they would never be heard of again.
As part of an EU project on borders, I wrote a paper about why EU Federalism was doomed to failure. [I cited previous attempts at European unification] It was due to be published - I was told in no uncertain terms to withdraw my paper or face ostracism. I didn't do the heroic thing, let's put it that way.

Red and Blue Army!

Stirlingsays 05 Mar 20 10.23pm
Conservative MP Peter Bone has introduced his bill for a 'United Kingdom Day' bank holiday to be held each year on the closest Friday to June 23 in celebration of leaving the EU. Should stir the pot a little that one.....but with 80 seats it would go through if Boris wants it. I think it's a good idea but perhaps a little soon. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

05 Mar 20 10.23pm

Conservative MP Peter Bone has introduced his bill for a 'United Kingdom Day' bank holiday to be held each year on the closest Friday to June 23 in celebration of leaving the EU.

Should stir the pot a little that one.....but with 80 seats it would go through if Boris wants it. I think it's a good idea but perhaps a little soon.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 05 Mar 20 10.27pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don't see anything other than the truth coming from the EU. They agreed a "deal". Now our government seem intent on breaking it. Trust is essential between partners if real progress is going to happen. Nor have I seen bad manners from the EU in the past either. What I have seen is a considerable degree of patience in the face of something they believe to be incredibly ill advised. Doesnt matter what they think, the people of the UK decided to leave and the EU just have to get used to the idea..

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 05 Mar 20 10.27pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Nor have I seen bad manners from the EU in the past either. What I have seen is a considerable degree of patience in the face of something they believe to be incredibly ill advised.

Doesnt matter what they think, the people of the UK decided to leave and the EU just have to get used to the idea..

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