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Teddy Eagle Flag 15 Mar 20 11.24pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It just wasn't "that simple" though was it? There were many strands which, when knitted together, meant we ended up with the kind of deal we got and an 80 majority Tory government of the type we have.

This really isn't though the time to get into another long argument over Brexit. As I hinted in my earlier post I suspect that the negotiations will have to be put on the back burner whilst we all deal with this crisis. It will certainly prove to all, I hope anyway, that acting together delivers better results than trying to stand alone. Maybe that lesson will soften the British approach whenever they resume because we are going to see a very changed world at the end of all this.

Indeed. Free movement within the EU certainly won’t be as easy.

 
cryrst Flag The garden of England 16 Mar 20 4.23am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It just wasn't "that simple" though was it? There were many strands which, when knitted together, meant we ended up with the kind of deal we got and an 80 majority Tory government of the type we have.

This really isn't though the time to get into another long argument over Brexit. As I hinted in my earlier post I suspect that the negotiations will have to be put on the back burner whilst we all deal with this crisis. It will certainly prove to all, I hope anyway, that acting together delivers better results than trying to stand alone. Maybe that lesson will soften the British approach whenever they resume because we are going to see a very changed world at the end of all this.

"The type of tory government we have"
Lefty strikes again ha ha

 
Spiderman Flag Horsham 16 Mar 20 6.47am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Indeed. Free movement within the EU certainly won’t be as easy.

Yep. I refer to my 7pm post on Coronavirus thread. They appear to be able to close their borders when it suits

 
Badger11 Flag Beckenham 16 Mar 20 7.40am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It just wasn't "that simple" though was it? There were many strands which, when knitted together, meant we ended up with the kind of deal we got and an 80 majority Tory government of the type we have.

This really isn't though the time to get into another long argument over Brexit. As I hinted in my earlier post I suspect that the negotiations will have to be put on the back burner whilst we all deal with this crisis. It will certainly prove to all, I hope anyway, that acting together delivers better results than trying to stand alone. Maybe that lesson will soften the British approach whenever they resume because we are going to see a very changed world at the end of all this.

Or maybe it will let the EU off the hook. I suspect that the national leaders now realise that we are not going to back down so they need an excuse to tell the EU negotiating team to be more flexible. I think this is the perfect excuse for that.

Edited by Badger11 (16 Mar 2020 7.41am)

 

One more point
ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 16 Mar 20 9.03am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Yep. I refer to my 7pm post on Coronavirus thread. They appear to be able to close their borders when it suits

bloody hypocrites, so they can close their borders after all, tssk, you have earned the right to revel in the satisfaction of being right, well done, enjoy

 
Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Mar 20 11.52am

Originally posted by cryrst

"The type of tory government we have"
Lefty strikes again ha ha

Do you think all Tory governments are exactly the same then?

I don't. I have voted for many who I believed pursued sensible policies based on sound financial prudence matched with social responsibility. Not this one.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 16 Mar 20 11.58am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you think all Tory governments are exactly the same then?

I don't. I have voted for many who I believed pursued sensible policies based on sound financial prudence matched with social responsibility. Not this one.

Not at all I dont no.
I still though prefer their policies as they follow a similar principle of hard work +effort = reward.

 
Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Mar 20 6.31pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Not at all I dont no.
I still though prefer their policies as they follow a similar principle of hard work +effort = reward.

Every sensible government rewards enterprise and not laziness.

Some though also protect the poorest, the disadvantaged and the vulnerable from circumstances that are genuinely beyond their control. Others just say they do.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Mar 20 6.39pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Yep. I refer to my 7pm post on Coronavirus thread. They appear to be able to close their borders when it suits

It must be a bit of a shock to all the Eurosceptics, who constantly complained that Brussels had taken control over everything, to see that national governments actually retain total control and can, and do, act when the need arises.


 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Mar 20 6.47pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It must be a bit of a shock to all the Eurosceptics, who constantly complained that Brussels had taken control over everything, to see that national governments actually retain total control and can, and do, act when the need arises.


So we were ahead of the curve.
What happened to all working together?

 
Spiderman Flag Horsham 16 Mar 20 6.53pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It must be a bit of a shock to all the Eurosceptics, who constantly complained that Brussels had taken control over everything, to see that national governments actually retain total control and can, and do, act when the need arises.


The only shock is that Merkel has suddenly realised that you can close borders, having let the world and his wife in over the last few years. Are you really suggesting that any of the Schengen signatories could have closed their borders at any time, without Brussels approval? Total b***cks

 
Spiderman Flag Horsham 16 Mar 20 6.54pm

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

bloody hypocrites, so they can close their borders after all, tssk, you have earned the right to revel in the satisfaction of being right, well done, enjoy

I thank you

 
cryrst Flag The garden of England 16 Mar 20 7.33pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It must be a bit of a shock to all the Eurosceptics, who constantly complained that Brussels had taken control over everything, to see that national governments actually retain total control and can, and do, act when the need arises.


Why did we have a brexit vote then?
Are you making the assumption that cameron could have given the finger to the EU and do what he wanted?
I dont think so!
If that was do able we would still be in.

 
the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 16 Mar 20 8.00pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It must be a bit of a shock to all the Eurosceptics, who constantly complained that Brussels had taken control over everything, to see that national governments actually retain total control and can, and do, act when the need arises.


Remain LOST....get over it!!

 
Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Mar 20 10.00pm

Originally posted by the silurian

Remain LOST....get over it!!

What I said had nothing whatsoever to do with the result of the referendum.

It was only about borders.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Mar 20 11.18pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What I said had nothing whatsoever to do with the result of the referendum.

It was only about borders.

The same EU that criticised Trump for closing American borders last week?

 
Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Mar 20 11.58pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The same EU that criticised Trump for closing American borders last week?

That wasn't the point I made was it?

I was looking back to the way the Brexiteers all talked as though the EU now controlled everything and that the individual nations had been emasculated. This proves they haven't.

To deal with your separate point, the EU's complaint seemed more about a lack of consultation and co-ordination than any real issue with the thinking behind it. In typical Trump style he tried to boost himself by suggesting the USA was doing this only because the Europeans had failed to do enough and that he, Trump, was taking decisive action.

That's not the right approach is it? We are all in this together and point scoring is not going to solve anything or save a single life.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 17 Mar 20 12.29am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That wasn't the point I made was it?

I was looking back to the way the Brexiteers all talked as though the EU now controlled everything and that the individual nations had been emasculated. This proves they haven't.

To deal with your separate point, the EU's complaint seemed more about a lack of consultation and co-ordination than any real issue with the thinking behind it. In typical Trump style he tried to boost himself by suggesting the USA was doing this only because the Europeans had failed to do enough and that he, Trump, was taking decisive action.

That's not the right approach is it? We are all in this together and point scoring is not going to solve anything or save a single life.

Your original point was that the UK would be better with a common approach with Europe - how does the fact Italy, Spain, Germany and France are all making different decisions at different times reflect this common approach?
As regards Trump, someone had to be first. Had he criticised Europe and then followed suit a week later he’d have been wrong then too.


 
ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 17 Mar 20 8.00am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Your original point was that the UK would be better with a common approach with Europe - how does the fact Italy, Spain, Germany and France are all making different decisions at different times reflect this common approach?
As regards Trump, someone had to be first. Had he criticised Europe and then followed suit a week later he’d have been wrong then too.


Trump closed his borders to Europe but not the UK at first then back tracked, and I don't think the EU planners had plague in mind when they were considering the pros and cons of subsidiarity versus intra-nationalism.

 
Stirlingsays Flag 17 Mar 20 8.36am

There's zero shock to Eurosceptics.....We have been pointing out for decades how some countries bend and twist rules to suit themselves.....The whole thing has been a partial joke since it started.

We see that some EU countries.....where the EU isn't that popular anyway....are ignoring EU attempts at a common approach and it kind of argues against the point of the EU.

You either believe in the EU or you don't.....the reality is that these countries are acting in their own self interest.

Plainly the most commonsense approach for individual countries is to give two fingers to a centralised body that is telling you to take one for the team.

No, a nation's primary interest is to its own subjects/citizens.....just like your primary interest is to your family's children first.


Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Mar 2020 9.44am)

 

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