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collier row eagle Flag romford essex via another galaxy 05 Jul 20 9.53am

Originally posted by gerry theagle

Changing the subject slightly did anyone look at the Stats of the match, Leicester committed 18 fouls against our 8.
Most of those were committed against Ayew, Benteke and Zaha when we were in possession and trying to go forwards, not saying those attacks would have led to anytime but they were stopped before they even had a chance. Leicester are pretty clever at doing that, only two bookings, systematic fouling, bit like Watford.

Zara was fouled in the first minute, so just shows you their intentions!

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Jul 20 9.57am

Originally posted by NEILLO

As I mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, the problem with having a manager on a short term contract must impact the way in which the club approaches the transfer market. Unless of course those transfer targets are not made by the manager but by Dougie Freedman.

I'm not sure if Sean Dyche is serious about leaving Burnley or just playing his Chairman to get a bigger transfer budget, but if he did become available, I think Parish would make a move given that Roy only has a years contract to pay off.


There was a reason that Hodgson in his early 70s was offered a year's contract. I really cannot envisage the club, in effect, sacking Hodgson after he has met his objectives and ensured survival in successive seasons.

 

EddieMac Flag 05 Jul 20 10.00am

Originally posted by collier row eagle

Zara was fouled in the first minute, so just shows you their intentions!

Zaha is a grown man and there are 10 other big strong Palace players around him. There wasn’t a single bad foul in the whole game. This is 2020 with Var watching everything not 1956 in your local park.

 

EddieMac Flag 05 Jul 20 10.02am

Originally posted by Willo

There was a reason that Hodgson in his early 70s was offered a year's contract. I really cannot envisage the club, in effect, sacking Hodgson after he has met his objectives and ensured survival in successive seasons.

I agree with this but I also believe that if we lose our next 5 games in the same manner as the last 3 then major questions will have to be asked but I still don’t think they will sack him, purely because of the state of our squad.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Jul 20 10.25am

Originally posted by Willo

There was a reason that Hodgson in his early 70s was offered a year's contract. I really cannot envisage the club, in effect, sacking Hodgson after he has met his objectives and ensured survival in successive seasons.

I'm well aware of the reason why the contract was only for 12 months.

However in similar vein to the ageing squad, having a manager on those terms doesn't promote long or even medium term thinking.

You will know that I have been and still am a fan of Roys, but I think Parish is in danger of painting himself into a corner with all this short termism.

I take your point about effectively sacking Roy, but it could be all about seizing the opportunity to secure a long term replacement if the right candidate became available.

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Jul 20 10.30am

Originally posted by EddieMac

Getting a new manager doesn’t get away from the fact that we literally need a whole new squad. There are drastic changes needed for us to carry on in this division.

Absolutely.

That's why I said that having a manager on a short term deal hinders that process.

If I was handing a manager the responsibility of rebuilding a squad I would want him on a longer deal than a year.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Jul 20 10.36am

Originally posted by NEILLO

I'm well aware of the reason why the contract was only for 12 months.

However in similar vein to the ageing squad, having a manager on those terms doesn't promote long or even medium term thinking.

You will know that I have been and still am a fan of Roys, but I think Parish is in danger of painting himself into a corner with all this short termism.

I take your point about effectively sacking Roy, but it could be all about seizing the opportunity to secure a long term replacement if the right candidate became available.

With respect my focus wasn't about the length of contract.
My thinking was that Hodgson at his advanced years was still offered a continuation of his role because he has met the club's sole objective of staying in the PL and as such he is trusted to do so again next season. A team in the PL is somewhat more attractive to prospective buyers!!
The football has been uninspiring but the end justifies the means.

Edited by Willo (05 Jul 2020 10.41am)

 

EddieMac Flag 05 Jul 20 10.41am

Originally posted by NEILLO

Absolutely.

That's why I said that having a manager on a short term deal hinders that process.

If I was handing a manager the responsibility of rebuilding a squad I would want him on a longer deal than a year.

I think one of the big reasons I don’t get as angry as a lot of fans this season is because I resigned myself to the fact early in the year that I would just be happy to stay in the league, given the current state of our squad. We may all get a shock and the club may actually have a plan for the medium to long term. This season is all but done and hopefully we have an interesting transfer window.

 

Rainforest Flag London England 05 Jul 20 10.43am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Manager cannot be responsible for awful individual mistakes (Guaita and Sakho for first goal) and accidents (Sakho slipping over) ..he is also not responsible for unbelievably awful passing and last but not least Zaha for not bothering.

Why rolled the ball to Sakho ? We are never good playing the ball up from the back ? You can see earlier in the season the number of near suicide back/side passes we had trying to play the ball from the back.

 

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 05 Jul 20 10.48am

Originally posted by EddieMac

I think one of the big reasons I don’t get as angry as a lot of fans this season is because I resigned myself to the fact early in the year that I would just be happy to stay in the league, given the current state of our squad. We may all get a shock and the club may actually have a plan for the medium to long term. This season is all but done and hopefully we have an interesting transfer window.

I think we all hope that but the likelihood of it happening are close to 0. You need at least £20million to sign a half decent player these days. I’d be surprised if there’s much more than £10-15mil to spend there and we don’t need one new player we need at least 5 I’d say. We can’t even sell any of our squad for any decent money, unless somebody gets absolutely bladdered and offers more than £25mil for Wilf.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 05 Jul 20 10.49am

Originally posted by Eaglehamster


OK - but please explain to us knee-jerkers RH's substitutions yesterday?

Seeing as you knee-jerkers seem to know all about managing a PL club better than the professionals you should not need to ask the question. Before the Liverpool game we had won four on the trot to go from 30 points to safety at 42 with no goals conceded. Don't suppose in your eyes Roy had anything to do with that.

 


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MKCPFC Flag Spain/MK 05 Jul 20 10.51am

Originally posted by EddieMac

I think one of the big reasons I don’t get as angry as a lot of fans this season is because I resigned myself to the fact early in the year that I would just be happy to stay in the league, given the current state of our squad. We may all get a shock and the club may actually have a plan for the medium to long term. This season is all but done and hopefully we have an interesting transfer window.

Correct , the shame is that without the Covid pandemic we would have had since March to plan and prepare for the Transfer window.
The break for the pandemic has now thrown all that into confusion with nobody sure of how it will affect the prices of players that you wish to buy or sell and we are still playing during the time we should be planning for next season.

It is the same for everyone but it would have been nice to see what we really had planned for a normal transfer window after a couple of seasons of stability.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Jul 20 10.53am

Originally posted by Willo

With respect my focus wasn't about the length of contract.
My thinking was that Hodgson at his advanced years was still offered a continuation of his role because he has met the club's sole objective of staying in the PL and as such he is trusted to do so again next season. A team in the PL is somewhat more attractive to prospective buyers!!
The football has been uninspiring but the end justifies the means.

Edited by Willo (05 Jul 2020 10.41am)

The contract was reward for meeting his objectives, but how sustainable is running the club on a 12 month basis ?

As for attracting prospective buyers, if I was one such, I would be asking SP about his plans post Roy in terms of both manager and squad.

Eventually Roy will need to be replaced. My point is that if Dyche was considered to be a good fit and he became available now, it would make sense to consider the options.

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Jul 20 10.56am

Originally posted by EddieMac

I think one of the big reasons I don’t get as angry as a lot of fans this season is because I resigned myself to the fact early in the year that I would just be happy to stay in the league, given the current state of our squad. We may all get a shock and the club may actually have a plan for the medium to long term. This season is all but done and hopefully we have an interesting transfer window.

Yep, with you all the way on that.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Jul 20 10.59am

Originally posted by NEILLO

The contract was reward for meeting his objectives, but how sustainable is running the club on a 12 month basis ?

As for attracting prospective buyers, if I was one such, I would be asking SP about his plans post Roy in terms of both manager and squad.

Eventually Roy will need to be replaced. My point is that if Dyche was considered to be a good fit and he became available now, it would make sense to consider the options.

I am not party to all the goings-on or thinking behind the scenes but my belief is that the club will not pull the rug from under Hodgson's feet so there are no options to consider at present.

 

PatrickA Flag London 05 Jul 20 11.02am

The point about four wins on the trot before Liverpool is well made but doesn’t really answer the question about how the substitutions yesterday were designed to get us back into the game yesterday or indeed answer the other valid questions posed about Hodgson’s management on this thread.
If the only stat that matters is staying in the Premier League it says much about the state of modern football that a game we started playing as kids for fun and enjoyment has been turned into corporate, bean counting exercise with enjoyment being an optional side issue.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Jul 20 11.04am

Originally posted by Willo

I am not party to all the goings-on or thinking behind the scenes but my belief is that the club will not pull the rug from under Hodgson's feet so there are no options to consider at present.

I agree - I don't think it will happen either.

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Jul 20 11.09am

Originally posted by PatrickA

The point about four wins on the trot before Liverpool is well made but doesn’t really answer the question about how the substitutions yesterday were designed to get us back into the game yesterday or indeed answer the other valid questions posed about Hodgson’s management on this thread.
If the only stat that matters is staying in the Premier League it says much about the state of modern football that a game we started playing as kids for fun and enjoyment has been turned into corporate, bean counting exercise with enjoyment being an optional side issue.

Forget '' modern '' football. It's always been about the money, there's just a lot more of it about at the top level of the game these days.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Jul 20 11.12am

Originally posted by NEILLO

Forget '' modern '' football. It's always been about the money, there's just a lot more of it about at the top level of the game these days.

"Modern" football at the top level is all about money whereas in bygone times there were owners who were passionate supporters of their clubs EG Jack Walker,Doug Ellis.

Businesses and organisations whereby a football club is just a part of their portfolios and where the owners are rarely to be seen watching their teams.


Edited by Willo (05 Jul 2020 12.16pm)

 

PatrickA Flag London 05 Jul 20 11.23am

I don’t agree it’s always been about the money.
It’s off topic but I’m old enough to remember teams like Derby and Nottingham Forest winning the equivalent of the Premier League, of Villa and Nottingham Forest winning the Champions League.
Football is about dreams and glory as well as finance and at the end of a (rare) Palace victory I don’t go away thinking that will mean another £2million for moving up a place in the table.
I don’t know any fans that think this way.

 

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