Cause and correlation ?

there is no causal link between :

a) importing people from murderous parts of the World
and
b) our UK murder statistics going nuts.

Kingston, Jamaica

Afghanistan

Albania

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Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

The Home office 'words' are not worth the paper they are written on.

No two people in the Home Office have the slightest idea of what the other is doing.

I sympathise with the people of Calais in many respects. They have all these troubled people attracted and camped there because they want to come to Britain. Admittedly most are economic migrants who just want a better life. I would be front of the queue if I was one of them coming from their awful countries where corruption rules supreme.

I have friends in France near Calais who confirm the French have always waved them on and turned a blind eye.

International law (is in this respect) for the naive and out of touch. The French don’t abide by it and we need to make policy to counter-act but still with a good heart.

The beatings will stop when morale improves.

Indeed there is no causal link.
Unless you have some evidence?
The murder statistics have not 'gone nuts', perhaps you have?

Even the link that you posted about murder rates in Jamaica says that the number of murders is falling.

This book offers up a balanced view on the subject of immigration and crime and concludes that immigration does not lead to an increase in crime.

Fasani, F., Mastrobuoni, G., Owens, E., & Pinotti, P. (2019).
Immigration and Crime: Perceptions and Reality. In Does Immigration Increase Crime?
Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.

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So you are still cherry picking facts and referencing opinions?
The stats provided show that there is a correlation in the timelines of the increase in immigration and violent crime.

I'd quit while you're behind.

Alas, poor yorrocks.

Andrew Neil quits GB News as TV channel is branded a 'sinking ship'.

So when you don't like the data it is fake and when you do it is ok?

What you have failed to show is that there is a link between crime and immigration.

I see that you want to draw a convenient line as to when the mass migrations that worries you begin.

The 40,000 and 50,000 Huguenots that came to Britain between 1670 to 1710 or the 150,000 Jews that settled in Britain from the late 19th century until the early 20th century are of no concern to you? I understand that you want to start your argument with the arrival of the Empire Windrush in 1948?

What you describe as 'waffle' is just information that you find difficult to deal with. The logic of your argument is shot to pieces if you resort to rubbish such as, "often correlation is the cause". This means nothing and I am pretty sure that you know it. Correlation with what?

You going to have to sort yourself out regarding statistical methodology if you want to pursue this root.

Well, it's gratifying that we can agree on something.
Climate change is happening.
I think, however, that your solution of shutting up shop is mistaken.
It's a global problem that can only be solved by global cooperation.
I know that this is rather unlikely but it's our only hope.

Yes, you have observed correlation, however, as I have explained and you will find this on page one of any introduction to statistics, 'correlation does not imply causation'. The statistics do not show what you want them to show.

As to cherry-picking, the book is by acknowledged leaders in the field from prestigious institutions and it is published by the Cambridge University Press. The papers are academically peer reviewed.

there is no causal link between a ton of 'ethnic group x' arriving into the country and thereafter a ton of the same ethnic group ending up in prison.....

cos its all just prejudice & racism, innit kuge ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford