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CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE bloomfield 12 Feb 21 11.35pm
Originally posted by Tickled pink Lol, he did fail yes but they weren't massive ..come on, You fully understand my feelings as you've highlighted nicely some of our players ability in the passing department and I don't as you seem to believe dislike you, most of what you say makes perfectly good sense ..other subjects included. Cmon now, what was the attendance at Liverpool when Roy took over vs when he was fired? Werent they headed towards relegation? And how did you like him losing to Iceland? Dude, get out of that 74 year old bumhole. you might just get some fresh air!

CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

bloomfield 12 Feb 21 11.35pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Lol, he did fail yes but they weren't massive ..come on, You fully understand my feelings as you've highlighted nicely some of our players ability in the passing department and I don't as you seem to believe dislike you, most of what you say makes perfectly good sense ..other subjects included.

Cmon now, what was the attendance at Liverpool when Roy took over vs when he was fired? Werent they headed towards relegation? And how did you like him losing to Iceland? Dude, get out of that 74 year old bumhole. you might just get some fresh air!

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 11.43pm
Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE Cmon now, what was the attendance at Liverpool when Roy took over vs when he was fired? Werent they headed towards relegation? And how did you like him losing to Iceland? Dude, get out of that 74 year old bumhole. you might just get some fresh air! Liverpool were regularly getting crowds in excess of 43,000 when Hodgson was manager. They were 12th when he was removed of his duties but the previous season they finished 23 pts behind the league winners,Chelsea.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 11.43pm

Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

Liverpool were regularly getting crowds in excess of 43,000 when Hodgson was manager.
They were 12th when he was removed of his duties but the previous season they finished 23 pts behind the league winners,Chelsea.

Putitout Oxford 13 Feb 21 9.52am
It was put to Hodgson, at yesterday’s pre -match interview, that if Palace take the points from Burnley, today. 32pts will be the best tally at this point in a season that Palace have achieved in the Premier division. Maybe a little more perspective applied to our present situation wouldn’t be out of order. As against making judgements on Hodgsons worth to us on the basis of ,high level jobs he did that were not completely successful.

Putitout

Oxford 13 Feb 21 9.52am

It was put to Hodgson, at yesterday’s pre -match interview, that if Palace take the points from Burnley, today. 32pts will be the best tally at this point in a season that Palace have achieved in the Premier division. Maybe a little more perspective applied to our present situation wouldn’t be out of order. As against making judgements on Hodgsons worth to us on the basis of ,high level jobs he did that were not completely successful.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Feb 21 10.02am
Originally posted by Putitout It was put to Hodgson, at yesterday’s pre -match interview, that if Palace take the points from Burnley, today. 32pts will be the best tally at this point in a season that Palace have achieved in the Premier division. Maybe a little more perspective applied to our present situation wouldn’t be out of order. As against making judgements on Hodgsons worth to us on the basis of ,high level jobs he did that were not completely successful. Excellent.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Feb 21 10.02am

Originally posted by Putitout

Excellent.

PatrickA London 13 Feb 21 10.19am
Why do Spurs fans prefer Pochettino , who has never won anything, to the serial winner Mourinho? Why is Malcolm Allison one of our most fondly remembered manager despite relegating us twice? For some fans, football is about more than results being ground out with anti football. In contrast other fans don’t care about the football as long as the results come. If you’re Man City you may get both the football and the results. If we win today and get the highest points total at this stage since we returned to the Premier League, I’m not sure how this invalidates the view of those who who would like us to play with more adventure.

PatrickA

London 13 Feb 21 10.19am

Why do Spurs fans prefer Pochettino , who has never won anything, to the serial winner Mourinho?
Why is Malcolm Allison one of our most fondly remembered manager despite relegating us twice?
For some fans, football is about more than results being ground out with anti football.
In contrast other fans don’t care about the football as long as the results come.
If you’re Man City you may get both the football and the results.

If we win today and get the highest points total at this stage since we returned to the Premier League, I’m not sure how this invalidates the view of those who who would like us to play with more adventure.

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Feb 21 10.34am
Originally posted by PatrickA Why do Spurs fans prefer Pochettino , who has never won anything, to the serial winner Mourinho? Why is Malcolm Allison one of our most fondly remembered manager despite relegating us twice? For some fans, football is about more than results being ground out with anti football. In contrast other fans don’t care about the football as long as the results come. If you’re Man City you may get both the football and the results. If we win today and get the highest points total at this stage since we returned to the Premier League, I’m not sure how this invalidates the view of those who who would like us to play with more adventure. Writing from a ' Pro Roy ' point of view, I have stated on many occasions on here that I am not enjoying the football on offer - I just understand and accept the reasons for it. I don't think a win today invalidates the views that you have expressed, but of course it might just validate mine and those like me. Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Feb 21 10.34am

Originally posted by PatrickA

Writing from a ' Pro Roy ' point of view, I have stated on many occasions on here that I am not enjoying the football on offer - I just understand and accept the reasons for it.

I don't think a win today invalidates the views that you have expressed, but of course it might just validate mine and those like me.

Old, Ungifted and White

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Feb 21 10.38am
Originally posted by NEILLO Writing from a ' Pro Roy ' point of view, I have stated on many occasions on here that I am not enjoying the football on offer - I just understand and accept the reasons for it. I don't think a win today invalidates the views that you have expressed, but of course it might just validate mine and those like me. We are 'Birds on the same twig' on this matter.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Feb 21 10.38am

Originally posted by NEILLO

Writing from a ' Pro Roy ' point of view, I have stated on many occasions on here that I am not enjoying the football on offer - I just understand and accept the reasons for it.

I don't think a win today invalidates the views that you have expressed, but of course it might just validate mine and those like me.

We are 'Birds on the same twig' on this matter.

PatrickA London 13 Feb 21 10.40am
That’s part of my point. Some fans will accept any type of football as long as results come. Others take a different view and believe it’s possible to achieve decent results without playing anti football. Both views can co-exist.

PatrickA

London 13 Feb 21 10.40am

That’s part of my point.
Some fans will accept any type of football as long as results come.
Others take a different view and believe it’s possible to achieve decent results without playing anti football.
Both views can co-exist.

PZ Eagle Penzance 13 Feb 21 10.52am
Originally posted by PatrickA That’s part of my point. Some fans will accept any type of football as long as results come. Others take a different view and believe it’s possible to achieve decent results without playing anti football. Both views can co-exist. As Jose said the other night it's no use scoring four goals if you let five in at the other end. Trying to play like that did for Pardew in the end. 4-5 v relegated Swansea! Conjunctivitis.com - A site for sore eyes.

PZ Eagle

Penzance 13 Feb 21 10.52am

Originally posted by PatrickA

As Jose said the other night it's no use scoring four goals if you let five in at the other end. Trying to play like that did for Pardew in the end. 4-5 v relegated Swansea!

Conjunctivitis.com - A site for sore eyes.

PatrickA London 13 Feb 21 10.57am
I see. Therefore both views can’t co-exist because of what Jose said and because of Pardew. Fair enough.

PatrickA

London 13 Feb 21 10.57am

I see.
Therefore both views can’t co-exist because of what Jose said and because of Pardew.
Fair enough.

southnorwoodhill 13 Feb 21 11.03am
That 5-4 result keeps getting wheeled out but Pardew has a better win percentage than Hodgson, and took the club to a cup final.

southnorwoodhill

13 Feb 21 11.03am

That 5-4 result keeps getting wheeled out but Pardew has a better win percentage than Hodgson, and took the club to a cup final.

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Feb 21 11.07am
Originally posted by PatrickA That’s part of my point. Some fans will accept any type of football as long as results come. Others take a different view and believe it’s possible to achieve decent results without playing anti football. Both views can co-exist. Yes I think they can. But let's face it, you don't appoint Roy for his free flowing, attacking football a la Bielsa. Clearly Steve Parish values results over entertainment. Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Feb 21 11.07am

Originally posted by PatrickA

Yes I think they can.

But let's face it, you don't appoint Roy for his free flowing, attacking football a la Bielsa.

Clearly Steve Parish values results over entertainment.

Old, Ungifted and White

PatrickA London 13 Feb 21 11.25am
I can only view the situation as a fan rather than as Steve Parish. Ultimately Parish is going to have to appoint a replacement at some point because Hodgson is not a long term option and it will be interesting to see the direction that Parish takes. You would think with the addition of Eze, Ferguson and Mateta ,and other younger players under consideration , that we would be looking at a more progressive manager who would encourage rather than restrict their development .

PatrickA

London 13 Feb 21 11.25am

I can only view the situation as a fan rather than as Steve Parish.
Ultimately Parish is going to have to appoint a replacement at some point because Hodgson is not a long term option and it will be interesting to see the direction that Parish takes.
You would think with the addition of Eze, Ferguson and Mateta ,and other younger players under consideration , that we would be looking at a more progressive manager who would encourage rather than restrict their development .

Putitout Oxford 13 Feb 21 11.34am
Originally posted by PatrickA That’s part of my point. Some fans will accept any type of football as long as results come. Others take a different view and believe it’s possible to achieve decent results without playing anti football. Both views can co-exist. Both views , are all part of football , both have a certain validity.. In practise it’s rarely one or the other. But more a case of what a particular squad is better at. At the end of the day it’s still a sport , and all the time we have relegation often leading to financial ruin achieving results by hook or by crook can be seen as a necessity . One things for sure any team that loses the ability to win ugly, or refuse to try ugly, is not going to succeed for long. I agree that Palace are in a bit of a rut, but not that a managerial change is the only thing needed for them to play a more expansive entertaining game week in week out. In short change manager without far more support than this one has had and try being a poor mans Man,C , and we will very soon be with all the others that had the dream, in the Championship trying to get our confidence back This is not to say good footballing teams can not be created. But the best examples at this time would be, Leeds, maybe Wolves, we will see, how Wolves get on, both were created over two or three seasons of work in the Championship, with good money spent . Brighton, are trying hard , to do it from a low base in the Premier, but which way will that go? If they pull it off fine , but a rare achievement.

Putitout

Oxford 13 Feb 21 11.34am

Originally posted by PatrickA

Both views , are all part of football , both have a certain validity..
In practise it’s rarely one or the other. But more a case of what a particular squad is better at. At the end of the day it’s still a sport , and all the time we have relegation often leading to financial ruin achieving results by hook or by crook can be seen as a necessity .
One things for sure any team that loses the ability to win ugly, or refuse to try ugly, is not going to succeed for long.
I agree that Palace are in a bit of a rut, but not that a managerial change is the only thing needed for them to play a more expansive entertaining game week in week out. In short change manager without far more support than this one has had and try being a poor mans Man,C , and we will very soon be with all the others that had the dream, in the Championship trying to get our confidence back
This is not to say good footballing teams can not be created. But the best examples at this time would be, Leeds, maybe Wolves, we will see, how Wolves get on, both were created over two or three seasons of work in the Championship, with good money spent . Brighton, are trying hard , to do it from a low base in the Premier, but which way will that go? If they pull it off fine , but a rare achievement.

PZ Eagle Penzance 13 Feb 21 11.42am
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill That 5-4 result keeps getting wheeled out but Pardew has a better win percentage than Hodgson, and took the club to a cup final. I suppose you didn't notice that we were fast heading for the Championship, something that hasn't happened with Roy. Conjunctivitis.com - A site for sore eyes.

PZ Eagle

Penzance 13 Feb 21 11.42am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

That 5-4 result keeps getting wheeled out but Pardew has a better win percentage than Hodgson, and took the club to a cup final.

I suppose you didn't notice that we were fast heading for the Championship, something that hasn't happened with Roy.

Conjunctivitis.com - A site for sore eyes.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Feb 21 11.46am
Originally posted by PZ Eagle I suppose you didn't notice that we were fast heading for the Championship, something that hasn't happened with Roy. When Pardew departed we were 17th after 17 PL games having attained 15 pts.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Feb 21 11.46am

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

I suppose you didn't notice that we were fast heading for the Championship, something that hasn't happened with Roy.

When Pardew departed we were 17th after 17 PL games having attained 15 pts.

Jacey 13 Feb 21 11.54am
Originally posted by Willo When Pardew departed we were 17th after 17 PL games having attained 15 pts. Yes and probably heading for Championship football unless he had been sacked.

Jacey

13 Feb 21 11.54am

Originally posted by Willo

When Pardew departed we were 17th after 17 PL games having attained 15 pts.

Yes and probably heading for Championship football unless he had been sacked.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Feb 21 12.07pm
Originally posted by Jacey Yes and probably heading for Championship football unless he had been sacked. In Pardew's last season, after 14 games we were 14th, after 15 games we were 15th, after 16 games, we were 16th and after 17 games we were 17th just a point above the relegation zone. We weren't going in the right direction and Pardew was removed from office after 17 games.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Feb 21 12.07pm

Originally posted by Jacey

Yes and probably heading for Championship football unless he had been sacked.

In Pardew's last season, after 14 games we were 14th, after 15 games we were 15th, after 16 games, we were 16th and after 17 games we were 17th just a point above the relegation zone.
We weren't going in the right direction and Pardew was removed from office after 17 games.

dynamicdick Dormansland 13 Feb 21 12.23pm
X Originally posted by southnorwoodhill That 5-4 result keeps getting wheeled out but Pardew has a better win percentage than Hodgson, and took the club to a cup finAl and was a better dancer, although some may not agree!! Bring back Brolin

babylonjohn St Leonards-on-Sea 13 Feb 21 12.39pm
Originally posted by NEILLO Yes I think they can. But let's face it, you don't appoint Roy for his free flowing, attacking football a la Bielsa. Clearly Steve Parish values results over entertainment. Parish has to. The financial consequences of relegation would be catastrophic.

babylonjohn

St Leonards-on-Sea 13 Feb 21 12.39pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Yes I think they can.

But let's face it, you don't appoint Roy for his free flowing, attacking football a la Bielsa.

Clearly Steve Parish values results over entertainment.

Parish has to. The financial consequences of relegation would be catastrophic.

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