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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 16 Apr 20 10.15am
Originally posted by Badger11 IMF urge UK to delay Brexit talks. [Link] I don't think so, the IMF has been an EU cheerleader for the last 4 years it is certainly not impartial. Now is the time to stand firm we will get a good deal if Boris holds his nerve. Edited by Badger11 (16 Apr 2020 10.10am) Agree. Delay nothing. Negotiate whilst the EU have their eye off the ball and are feeling brotherly love to all mankind. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

Tom-the-eagle

Croydon 16 Apr 20 10.15am

Originally posted by Badger11

IMF urge UK to delay Brexit talks.

[Link]

I don't think so, the IMF has been an EU cheerleader for the last 4 years it is certainly not impartial.

Now is the time to stand firm we will get a good deal if Boris holds his nerve.

Edited by Badger11 (16 Apr 2020 10.10am)

Agree. Delay nothing. Negotiate whilst the EU have their eye off the ball and are feeling brotherly love to all mankind.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

ex hibitionist Hastings 16 Apr 20 10.23am
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ex hibitionist

Hastings 16 Apr 20 10.23am

help!

davenotamonkey 20 Apr 20 5.16pm
Originally posted by Badger11 IMF urge UK to delay Brexit talks. [Link] I don't think so, the IMF has been an EU cheerleader for the last 4 years it is certainly not impartial. Now is the time to stand firm we will get a good deal if Boris holds his nerve. Edited by Badger11 (16 Apr 2020 10.10am) Go take a look at how the head of the IMF was selected - it's basically a pro-EU front group. I genuinely had no idea how they did it, but it's EU nepotistic rule-breaking cronyism to a T: [Link] * Did not meet the required population representation fraction of 65% -- brushed under the carpet * Did not satisfy the age criteria rules -- meh, just change the rules. * Because of "European" (sic) solidarity and transparency, was carried out by secret email vote Now go take a look at who the current head is (no, not the convicted criminal previous one that's now head of the European Central Bank). Oh gosh. "Karl Marx Higher Institute of Economics"? An ex EU Commissioner (and therefore, like Mandy, bound to loyalty to her precious union, for fear of forsaking her pension)? How many news outlets happened to mention that, I wonder? Might she have vested interests? Edited by davenotamonkey (20 Apr 2020 5.17pm)

davenotamonkey

20 Apr 20 5.16pm

Originally posted by Badger11

IMF urge UK to delay Brexit talks.

[Link]

I don't think so, the IMF has been an EU cheerleader for the last 4 years it is certainly not impartial.

Now is the time to stand firm we will get a good deal if Boris holds his nerve.

Edited by Badger11 (16 Apr 2020 10.10am)

Go take a look at how the head of the IMF was selected - it's basically a pro-EU front group. I genuinely had no idea how they did it, but it's EU nepotistic rule-breaking cronyism to a T:

[Link]

* Did not meet the required population representation fraction of 65% -- brushed under the carpet
* Did not satisfy the age criteria rules -- meh, just change the rules.
* Because of "European" (sic) solidarity and transparency, was carried out by secret email vote

Now go take a look at who the current head is (no, not the convicted criminal previous one that's now head of the European Central Bank). Oh gosh. "Karl Marx Higher Institute of Economics"? An ex EU Commissioner (and therefore, like Mandy, bound to loyalty to her precious union, for fear of forsaking her pension)?

How many news outlets happened to mention that, I wonder? Might she have vested interests?

Edited by davenotamonkey (20 Apr 2020 5.17pm)

Stirlingsays 20 Apr 20 5.36pm
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Go take a look at how the head of the IMF was selected - it's basically a pro-EU front group. I genuinely had no idea how they did it, but it's EU nepotistic rule-breaking cronyism to a T: [Link] * Did not meet the required population representation fraction of 65% -- brushed under the carpet * Did not satisfy the age criteria rules -- meh, just change the rules. * Because of "European" (sic) solidarity and transparency, was carried out by secret email vote Now go take a look at who the current head is (no, not the convicted criminal previous one that's now head of the European Central Bank). Oh gosh. "Karl Marx Higher Institute of Economics"? An ex EU Commissioner (and therefore, like Mandy, bound to loyalty to her precious union, for fear of forsaking her pension)? How many news outlets happened to mention that, I wonder? Might she have vested interests? Edited by davenotamonkey (20 Apr 2020 5.17pm) Vested interests? You could say that.....a giant reach-around. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

20 Apr 20 5.36pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Go take a look at how the head of the IMF was selected - it's basically a pro-EU front group. I genuinely had no idea how they did it, but it's EU nepotistic rule-breaking cronyism to a T:

[Link]

How many news outlets happened to mention that, I wonder? Might she have vested interests?

Edited by davenotamonkey (20 Apr 2020 5.17pm)

Vested interests? You could say that.....a giant reach-around.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

silvertop Portishead 20 Apr 20 7.21pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If MMT doesn't work they are well and truly fecked as are we, just slightly less.....They keep going to the credit well. At some point it becomes unsustainable. It's robbing the future generations of financial options because they are having to pay off the selfishness of the dead. Somehow I can't see future generations accepting that and the whole facade falls apart. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Apr 2020 1.06pm) Sounds like my argument for remain

silvertop

Portishead 20 Apr 20 7.21pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If MMT doesn't work they are well and truly fecked as are we, just slightly less.....They keep going to the credit well.

At some point it becomes unsustainable. It's robbing the future generations of financial options because they are having to pay off the selfishness of the dead.

Somehow I can't see future generations accepting that and the whole facade falls apart.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Apr 2020 1.06pm)

Sounds like my argument for remain

Stirlingsays 20 Apr 20 7.32pm
Originally posted by silvertop Sounds like my argument for remain Yep, the remain argument was purely an economic one. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

20 Apr 20 7.32pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Sounds like my argument for remain

Yep, the remain argument was purely an economic one.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

dannyboy1978 21 Apr 20 7.44am
Wrong thread Edited by dannyboy1978 (21 Apr 2020 7.45am)

dannyboy1978

21 Apr 20 7.44am

Wrong thread

Edited by dannyboy1978 (21 Apr 2020 7.45am)

davenotamonkey 21 Apr 20 9.47am
The coronavirus emergency relief fund: Hungary: 213 deaths, population 9.7m - €5.6bn Italy: 24,000 deaths, population 60.3m - €2.3bn [Link] 1/6 of the population, 0.7% of the deaths, over DOUBLE the funds received. You genuinely couldn't make it up. EU incompetence, intransigence and inflexibility in a nutshell. The hilarious thing about it is this: it's not that they don't recognise that Italy has been really heavily hit by COVID, and doesn't need the funds. No, it's that their RULES prevent them from changing how the allocation is made. Pathetic. This is exactly why we were right to leave. While the EU vacillates, pontificates and sits under endless reviews, writes non-stop "solidarity initatives" and binds the vassal members under procurement state aid and monetary straightjackets, other nations will adapt quickly, with flexibility in order to restart their economies. While the lumbering EU looks on, sloth-like, as it bickers over tomato distribution quotas. Each challenge it faces, the EU fails miserably. The Balkan war, the butter mountains and wine lakes, the fisheries policy decimating stocks, the (endless) eurozone crisis, The Commission's blind eye to diesel emmissions cheating, the migration tsunami, and now the Coronavirus. But at least all our toilets are standardised to flush with the same volume now. All talk, no trousers. Bin it.

davenotamonkey

21 Apr 20 9.47am

The coronavirus emergency relief fund:

Hungary: 213 deaths, population 9.7m - €5.6bn
Italy: 24,000 deaths, population 60.3m - €2.3bn

[Link]

1/6 of the population, 0.7% of the deaths, over DOUBLE the funds received. You genuinely couldn't make it up.

EU incompetence, intransigence and inflexibility in a nutshell.

The hilarious thing about it is this: it's not that they don't recognise that Italy has been really heavily hit by COVID, and doesn't need the funds. No, it's that their RULES prevent them from changing how the allocation is made.

Pathetic. This is exactly why we were right to leave. While the EU vacillates, pontificates and sits under endless reviews, writes non-stop "solidarity initatives" and binds the vassal members under procurement state aid and monetary straightjackets, other nations will adapt quickly, with flexibility in order to restart their economies. While the lumbering EU looks on, sloth-like, as it bickers over tomato distribution quotas.

Each challenge it faces, the EU fails miserably. The Balkan war, the butter mountains and wine lakes, the fisheries policy decimating stocks, the (endless) eurozone crisis, The Commission's blind eye to diesel emmissions cheating, the migration tsunami, and now the Coronavirus.

But at least all our toilets are standardised to flush with the same volume now.

All talk, no trousers. Bin it.

silvertop Portishead 21 Apr 20 8.41pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yep, the remain argument was purely an economic one. No it was far from that. I will expand but the argument may have been rehearsed somewhere up the thread; and might seem a little pointless to restate at this time.

silvertop

Portishead 21 Apr 20 8.41pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, the remain argument was purely an economic one.

No it was far from that. I will expand but the argument may have been rehearsed somewhere up the thread; and might seem a little pointless to restate at this time.

Stirlingsays 21 Apr 20 8.50pm
Originally posted by silvertop No it was far from that. I will expand but the argument may have been rehearsed somewhere up the thread; and might seem a little pointless to restate at this time. We both know what I mean....but good god man, lets not flog a dead horse. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

21 Apr 20 8.50pm

Originally posted by silvertop

No it was far from that. I will expand but the argument may have been rehearsed somewhere up the thread; and might seem a little pointless to restate at this time.

We both know what I mean....but good god man, lets not flog a dead horse.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

cryrst The garden of England 21 Apr 20 8.53pm
Page 2500 wow quite a feat well done HOL. Still no closer to agreement but.....

cryrst

The garden of England 21 Apr 20 8.53pm

Page 2500 wow quite a feat well done HOL.
Still no closer to agreement but.....

silvertop Portishead 23 Apr 20 9.12pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays We both know what I mean....but good god man, lets not flog a dead horse. God forbid

silvertop

Portishead 23 Apr 20 9.12pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We both know what I mean....but good god man, lets not flog a dead horse.

God forbid

Badger11 Beckenham 24 Apr 20 4.01pm
Doesn't sound like much progress has been made Barnier keeps insisting we need an extension. [Link] Hold your nerve Boris, hold your nerve. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 24 Apr 20 4.01pm

Doesn't sound like much progress has been made Barnier keeps insisting we need an extension.

[Link]

Hold your nerve Boris, hold your nerve.

One more point

Matov 24 Apr 20 10.01pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Doesn't sound like much progress has been made Barnier keeps insisting we need an extension. [Link] Hold your nerve Boris, hold your nerve. Thought Barnier looked rather tetchy in his press conference and the tweets put out by David Frost (our top bod in the talks) makes for interesting reading. Had been very impressed with Barnier during his wrangles with Mays team but suspect Forest Gump might have appeared rather dapper compared to those chumps. It is clear that the EU is pushing for no change when it comes to access to British fishing waters allied with keeping the UK tied to the ECJ and so on. Both absolute no-no's for the UK. Not sure what gives here but it is clear that both sides are not budging and giving themselves very little room to back down. Still it is good to get back to some proper political argy-bargy once again. Edited by Matov (24 Apr 2020 10.18pm) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

24 Apr 20 10.01pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Doesn't sound like much progress has been made Barnier keeps insisting we need an extension.

[Link]

Hold your nerve Boris, hold your nerve.

Thought Barnier looked rather tetchy in his press conference and the tweets put out by David Frost (our top bod in the talks) makes for interesting reading. Had been very impressed with Barnier during his wrangles with Mays team but suspect Forest Gump might have appeared rather dapper compared to those chumps.

It is clear that the EU is pushing for no change when it comes to access to British fishing waters allied with keeping the UK tied to the ECJ and so on. Both absolute no-no's for the UK.

Not sure what gives here but it is clear that both sides are not budging and giving themselves very little room to back down.

Still it is good to get back to some proper political argy-bargy once again.

Edited by Matov (24 Apr 2020 10.18pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Badger11 Beckenham 25 Apr 20 7.29am
Originally posted by Matov Thought Barnier looked rather tetchy in his press conference and the tweets put out by David Frost (our top bod in the talks) makes for interesting reading. Had been very impressed with Barnier during his wrangles with Mays team but suspect Forest Gump might have appeared rather dapper compared to those chumps. It is clear that the EU is pushing for no change when it comes to access to British fishing waters allied with keeping the UK tied to the ECJ and so on. Both absolute no-no's for the UK. Not sure what gives here but it is clear that both sides are not budging and giving themselves very little room to back down. Still it is good to get back to some proper political argy-bargy once again. Edited by Matov (24 Apr 2020 10.18pm) I think the EU leaders have others things on their mind at the moment so Barnier a civil servant is allowed to continue with the policy they laid out pre virus. At some point I think the EU leaders are going to focus on these talks and hopefully they will realise it's in their best interests to be more flexible. Many of the EU countries were in economic trouble before the virus which has just made things even worse. In addition to that another virus of a different kind has devastated the Mediterranean countries olive trees. So I would have thought that Italy, Spain and Greece would rather have a deal than face tariffs on their agricultural exports to the UK. However politics sometimes trumps common-sense so we shall see. Edited by Badger11 (25 Apr 2020 7.30am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 25 Apr 20 7.29am

Originally posted by Matov

It is clear that the EU is pushing for no change when it comes to access to British fishing waters allied with keeping the UK tied to the ECJ and so on. Both absolute no-no's for the UK.

Not sure what gives here but it is clear that both sides are not budging and giving themselves very little room to back down.

Still it is good to get back to some proper political argy-bargy once again.

Edited by Matov (24 Apr 2020 10.18pm)

I think the EU leaders have others things on their mind at the moment so Barnier a civil servant is allowed to continue with the policy they laid out pre virus.

At some point I think the EU leaders are going to focus on these talks and hopefully they will realise it's in their best interests to be more flexible.

Many of the EU countries were in economic trouble before the virus which has just made things even worse. In addition to that another virus of a different kind has devastated the Mediterranean countries olive trees.

So I would have thought that Italy, Spain and Greece would rather have a deal than face tariffs on their agricultural exports to the UK.

However politics sometimes trumps common-sense so we shall see.

Edited by Badger11 (25 Apr 2020 7.30am)

One more point

davenotamonkey 29 Apr 20 6.27pm
Oh dear Carole Codswallop, and your band of loony tin-hat conspiracy theorist "reds-under-the-bed" FBPE f***wits. Turns out it wasn't "the Russians-wot-won-it" after all. [Link] Every story this stupid woman touches ends up being flashed around the media in a desperate frenzy to explain away the clear collective insanity of leaving the EU.... and then ends up quietly retracted. Here's what Banks said, in late 2018, as the media were gleefully rubbing themselves silly over the prospect of a major Brexit donor being dragged through the mud: “I am pleased that the Electoral Commission has referred me to the National Crime Agency. I am confident that a full and frank investigation will finally put an end to the ludicrous allegations levelled against me and my colleagues. There is no evidence of any wrongdoing from the companies I own. I am a UK taxpayer and I have never received any foreign donations. The Electoral Commission has produced no evidence to the contrary. The Electoral Commission has referred me to the National Crime Agency under intense political pressure from anti-Brexit supporters. I am already in court with the Electoral Commission. In witness statements the commission has admitted it got its figures wrong in relation to a previous investigation and it even submitted its final report without taking evidence from us. Isn’t it funny that none of the financial contributions made by George Soros to British political campaigns are ever subject to any level of scrutiny by the Electoral Commission despite his being a foreign national.” I hope she's sued to oblivion. Notice any of the news media outlets reporting this? [Link] [Link] Me neither. Go easy on the cats, Carole. It's not their fault.

davenotamonkey

29 Apr 20 6.27pm

Oh dear Carole Codswallop, and your band of loony tin-hat conspiracy theorist "reds-under-the-bed" FBPE f***wits.

Turns out it wasn't "the Russians-wot-won-it" after all.

[Link]

Every story this stupid woman touches ends up being flashed around the media in a desperate frenzy to explain away the clear collective insanity of leaving the EU.... and then ends up quietly retracted. Here's what Banks said, in late 2018, as the media were gleefully rubbing themselves silly over the prospect of a major Brexit donor being dragged through the mud:

“I am pleased that the Electoral Commission has referred me to the National Crime Agency. I am confident that a full and frank investigation will finally put an end to the ludicrous allegations levelled against me and my colleagues.

There is no evidence of any wrongdoing from the companies I own. I am a UK taxpayer and I have never received any foreign donations. The Electoral Commission has produced no evidence to the contrary.

The Electoral Commission has referred me to the National Crime Agency under intense political pressure from anti-Brexit supporters.

I am already in court with the Electoral Commission. In witness statements the commission has admitted it got its figures wrong in relation to a previous investigation and it even submitted its final report without taking evidence from us.

Isn’t it funny that none of the financial contributions made by George Soros to British political campaigns are ever subject to any level of scrutiny by the Electoral Commission despite his being a foreign national.”

I hope she's sued to oblivion. Notice any of the news media outlets reporting this?

[Link]

Me neither.

Go easy on the cats, Carole. It's not their fault.

Spiderman Horsham 29 Apr 20 7.02pm
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Oh dear Carole Codswallop, and your band of loony tin-hat conspiracy theorist "reds-under-the-bed" FBPE f***wits. Turns out it wasn't "the Russians-wot-won-it" after all. [Link] Every story this stupid woman touches ends up being flashed around the media in a desperate frenzy to explain away the clear collective insanity of leaving the EU.... and then ends up quietly retracted. Here's what Banks said, in late 2018, as the media were gleefully rubbing themselves silly over the prospect of a major Brexit donor being dragged through the mud: “I am pleased that the Electoral Commission has referred me to the National Crime Agency. I am confident that a full and frank investigation will finally put an end to the ludicrous allegations levelled against me and my colleagues. There is no evidence of any wrongdoing from the companies I own. I am a UK taxpayer and I have never received any foreign donations. The Electoral Commission has produced no evidence to the contrary. The Electoral Commission has referred me to the National Crime Agency under intense political pressure from anti-Brexit supporters. I am already in court with the Electoral Commission. In witness statements the commission has admitted it got its figures wrong in relation to a previous investigation and it even submitted its final report without taking evidence from us. Isn’t it funny that none of the financial contributions made by George Soros to British political campaigns are ever subject to any level of scrutiny by the Electoral Commission despite his being a foreign national.” I hope she's sued to oblivion. Notice any of the news media outlets reporting this? [Link] [Link] Me neither. Go easy on the cats, Carole. It's not their fault. I am confident that some posters on here will be able to explain how this decision is incorrect.

Spiderman

Horsham 29 Apr 20 7.02pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Oh dear Carole Codswallop, and your band of loony tin-hat conspiracy theorist "reds-under-the-bed" FBPE f***wits.

Turns out it wasn't "the Russians-wot-won-it" after all.

[Link]

I hope she's sued to oblivion. Notice any of the news media outlets reporting this?

[Link]

Me neither.

Go easy on the cats, Carole. It's not their fault.

I am confident that some posters on here will be able to explain how this decision is incorrect.

davenotamonkey 29 Apr 20 10.14pm
Originally posted by Spiderman I am confident that some posters on here will be able to explain how this decision is incorrect. Oh, well that's easy. The High Court is actually run by Russians. Or Dominic-the-devil-reincarnated Cummings.

davenotamonkey

29 Apr 20 10.14pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I am confident that some posters on here will be able to explain how this decision is incorrect.

Oh, well that's easy. The High Court is actually run by Russians. Or Dominic-the-devil-reincarnated Cummings.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Apr 20 11.41am
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Oh dear Carole Codswallop, and your band of loony tin-hat conspiracy theorist "reds-under-the-bed" FBPE f***wits. Turns out it wasn't "the Russians-wot-won-it" after all. [Link] Every story this stupid woman touches ends up being flashed around the media in a desperate frenzy to explain away the clear collective insanity of leaving the EU.... and then ends up quietly retracted. Here's what Banks said, in late 2018, as the media were gleefully rubbing themselves silly over the prospect of a major Brexit donor being dragged through the mud: “I am pleased that the Electoral Commission has referred me to the National Crime Agency. I am confident that a full and frank investigation will finally put an end to the ludicrous allegations levelled against me and my colleagues. There is no evidence of any wrongdoing from the companies I own. I am a UK taxpayer and I have never received any foreign donations. The Electoral Commission has produced no evidence to the contrary. The Electoral Commission has referred me to the National Crime Agency under intense political pressure from anti-Brexit supporters. I am already in court with the Electoral Commission. In witness statements the commission has admitted it got its figures wrong in relation to a previous investigation and it even submitted its final report without taking evidence from us. Isn’t it funny that none of the financial contributions made by George Soros to British political campaigns are ever subject to any level of scrutiny by the Electoral Commission despite his being a foreign national.” I hope she's sued to oblivion. Notice any of the news media outlets reporting this? [Link] [Link] Me neither. Go easy on the cats, Carole. It's not their fault. Surely not in the public interest to publish those findings. We don't need to know as it's not a suitable narrative. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Apr 20 11.41am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Oh dear Carole Codswallop, and your band of loony tin-hat conspiracy theorist "reds-under-the-bed" FBPE f***wits.

Turns out it wasn't "the Russians-wot-won-it" after all.

[Link]

I hope she's sued to oblivion. Notice any of the news media outlets reporting this?

[Link]

Me neither.

Go easy on the cats, Carole. It's not their fault.

Surely not in the public interest to publish those findings. We don't need to know as it's not a suitable narrative.

Red and Blue Army!

davenotamonkey 30 Apr 20 2.13pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Surely not in the public interest to publish those findings. We don't need to know as it's not a suitable narrative. Still nothing in the MSM about this, other than a mealy-mouthed Mirror article: [Link] "They were right to refer them to the police, even though his political opponents smear-campaign was the only evidence they had". That's it. The entire media apparatus "went to town" on Banks and co. when this was announced. Complete feeding frenzy. Where are they now? Seriously? The BBC? C4? ITV? The New Statesman? They were all screaming this from the rooftops. And now? Their silence speaks volumes, if you ask me. Edited by davenotamonkey (30 Apr 2020 2.14pm)

davenotamonkey

30 Apr 20 2.13pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Surely not in the public interest to publish those findings. We don't need to know as it's not a suitable narrative.

Still nothing in the MSM about this, other than a mealy-mouthed Mirror article:

[Link]

"They were right to refer them to the police, even though his political opponents smear-campaign was the only evidence they had".

That's it. The entire media apparatus "went to town" on Banks and co. when this was announced. Complete feeding frenzy.

Where are they now? Seriously? The BBC? C4? ITV? The New Statesman? They were all screaming this from the rooftops. And now?

Their silence speaks volumes, if you ask me.

Edited by davenotamonkey (30 Apr 2020 2.14pm)

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