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  Hrolf The Ganger  21 Oct 20 8.16pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Because you don’t understand what it means. Really Dan? Care to tell me what I don't understand? I know what bedwetting and scaremongering are.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 21 Oct 20 8.22pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Why let a little thing like comprehension stand in the way of a strongly held belief built on a foundation of quicksand peddled by snake oil salesmen? No deal will come to pass, and all the fools who sing its praises will finally understand, only at the end. Frankly, you and I both know the likes of yourself will paint any and all outcomes in a negative light. That is politics. You just don't see the bigger picture old chap. But that is understandable. You have been indoctrinated your whole life.
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| Maine Eagle USA 21 Oct 20 8.23pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Really Dan? Care to tell me what I don't understand? I know what bedwetting and scaremongering are. Speaking from personal experience, Hrolf? They do sell waterproof mattress covers these days mate.
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 21 Oct 20 8.25pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Speaking from personal experience, Hrolf? They do sell waterproof mattress covers these days mate. If you are going to lower the discussion to infant school level then I'm out. Life is too short.
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| Maine Eagle USA 21 Oct 20 8.28pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Frankly, you and I both know the likes of yourself will paint any and all outcomes in a negative light. That is politics. You just don't see the bigger picture old chap. But that is understandable. You have been indoctrinated your whole life.
Negative outcomes are just that. Positive outcomes are just that. Doesnt matter how you paint it, an economic downturn caused by trading chaos is negative. Doesnt matter how you paint it, a return to violence on the island of Ireland is negative, in the extreme. How have I been indoctrinated exactly? Please explain? Because I dont agree with racism, I am indoctrinated into an evil left wing thought group? You are the one who bought the leave lies about 350 million quid for the NHS and believes Boris' lies about an oven ready deal. Pot and kettle springs to mind. The truth is the truth and a lie is a lie. 350 mil and an oven ready deal, were a couple of whoppers. They got you hook, line and sinker though?
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
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| Maine Eagle USA 21 Oct 20 8.29pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If you are going to lower the discussion to infant school level then I'm out. Life is too short. Whats life without a little humour? I thought it was pant wetting, not bedwetting? Perhaps the terms are interchangeable though?
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
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| DanH SW2 21 Oct 20 8.30pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Really Dan? Care to tell me what I don't understand? I know what bedwetting and scaremongering are. WTO covers trade. Trade only. Our agreements with the EU cover security, pharmaceuticals, IP and data across almost every conceivable area we have in common with them, social security, airspace, science and R&D, transport, immigration and so on and so on. There’s more but this is just off the top of my head. Everything ripped up overnight. Agreements and knowledge sharing that took decades to build up. All we won’t be a part of and will have to try and build up or re-negotiate an entry to again.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 21 Oct 20 8.31pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Negative outcomes are just that. Positive outcomes are just that. Doesnt matter how you paint it, an economic downturn caused by trading chaos is negative. Doesnt matter how you paint it, a return to violence on the island of Ireland is negative, in the extreme. How have I been indoctrinated exactly? Please explain? Because I dont agree with racism, I am indoctrinated into an evil left wing thought group? You are the one who bought the leave lies about 350 million quid for the NHS and believes Boris' lies about an oven ready deal. Pot and kettle springs to mind. The truth is the truth and a lie is a lie. 350 mil and an oven ready deal, were a couple of whoppers. They got you hook, line and sinker though? I just can't find the energy or desire to repond to such simple minded twaddle. Argue with someone else.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 21 Oct 20 8.34pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
WTO covers trade. Trade only. Our agreements with the EU cover security, pharmaceuticals, IP and data across almost every conceivable area we have in common with them, social security, airspace, science and R&D, transport, immigration and so on and so on. There’s more but this is just off the top of my head. Everything ripped up overnight. Agreements and knowledge sharing that took decades to build up. All we won’t be a part of and will have to try and build up or re-negotiate an entry to again. No one said it would be a smooth ride Dan. When one make a decision based on bigger principles, one has to accept the rough with the smooth. Would you at least wait until something bad actually happens before you panic?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 21 Oct 20 8.37pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I think it is fairly obvious there will be a deal here. For the EU I think they have moved on and just want it off the table. It is not life or death to them, as it is to the UK. It will be like Chamberlain returning from Munich 'peace in our time'. On to the next stage, the UK not keeping the agreement or trying to re-negotiate it for a better one. I agree there will probably be a deal but it is ironic and quite unforgivable that your type has done it's very best to confound our negotiating position from the start while also claiming to care about this country. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Oct 2020 8.38pm)
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| DanH SW2 21 Oct 20 8.45pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No one said it would be a smooth ride Dan. When one make a decision based on bigger principles, one has to accept the rough with the smooth. Would you at least wait until something bad actually happens before you panic? See I do understand your long term aspirations from this. I don’t think they’ll ever come to pass but I least see where you and Matov etc are coming from. What no one (not you peasants on here This was going to be difficult enough anyway, let alone right in the middle of a global pandemic. It’s just mind bogglingly stupid.
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) but the real cheerleaders and politicians behind Brexit have ever satisfactorily answered is how do people and businesses get over the real life next day, weeks and months shock of a ‘no deal’? Someone earlier on this thread said that businesses should be prepared already. Fine - but prepared for what? They still don’t know what their trading environment is going to look like in 10 WEEKS time. They don’t know if or what tariffs will be applied yet and how much costs will go up. Exactly what paperwork they need to get in order. Whether supplies could be delayed due to hold ups at ports and airports.| Matov 21 Oct 20 9.00pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
I disagree. Now is the perfect time to do it. Everything is utter mayhem anyway. The UK can now move at a much faster rate to help all areas of our economy. This is why it is absolutely crucial to not allow Brussels any kind of power over where and when state money is invested. Covid will make a clean Brexit easier. A true reset.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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cryrst  The garden of England 21 Oct 20 9.03pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I think it is fairly obvious there will be a deal here. For the EU I think they have moved on and just want it off the table. It is not life or death to them, as it is to the UK. It will be like Chamberlain returning from Munich 'peace in our time'. On to the next stage, the UK not keeping the agreement or trying to re-negotiate it for a better one. The EU could have given cameron a few sweeteners and we wouldn't be here now. Can it really all be the fault of the UK. Do you know what cameron actually wanted? I suspect not even wissie does.
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| DanH SW2 21 Oct 20 9.11pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
I disagree. Now is the perfect time to do it. Everything is utter mayhem anyway. The UK can now move at a much faster rate to help all areas of our economy. This is why it is absolutely crucial to not allow Brussels any kind of power over where and when state money is invested. Covid will make a clean Brexit easier. A true reset. I honestly do hope you’re right! I could even (just about) cope with you lot gloating. I just can’t work through any situation where we come out better but I guess we’ll find out. At least it won’t be boring.
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| Matov 21 Oct 20 10.29pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
I honestly do hope you’re right! I could even (just about) cope with you lot gloating. I just can’t work through any situation where we come out better but I guess we’ll find out. At least it won’t be boring.
I always think that one of the biggest ironies about this is that the strongest arguement for the EU is actually made from a far-right position. Europe for the Europeans. Expand the EU to include Russia and then look to ring fence it from the rest of the world. That EU could feed, clothe and power itself. It simply has no need of outsiders. Encourage Europeans to start having children again, remove borders to encourage more growth out to the East. Strengethen its Christian identity and look to remove all forms of Islamic influence. The only valid way of opposing globalisation. And yet it is the Left who push for what is an archaic and badly run institution that wishes to centralise more and more control. The harm done to Souther European nations alone by the Euro should have every genuine Left winger up in absolute arms and calling for its immediate removal. But nothing what so ever.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 21 Oct 20 10.43pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
See I do understand your long term aspirations from this. I don’t think they’ll ever come to pass but I least see where you and Matov etc are coming from. What no one (not you peasants on here This was going to be difficult enough anyway, let alone right in the middle of a global pandemic. It’s just mind bogglingly stupid. Yes, uncertainty is a problem. That is why it was unforgivable when Remainers dragged proceedings out for months longer than necessary. I can't say I'm currently optimistic about the future of Britain but that has nothing to do with Brexit and everything to do with the grip of globalist elites on our lives and how that has affected our society.
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| chris123 hove actually 22 Oct 20 9.13am |
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Originally posted by Matov
I disagree. Now is the perfect time to do it. Everything is utter mayhem anyway. The UK can now move at a much faster rate to help all areas of our economy. This is why it is absolutely crucial to not allow Brussels any kind of power over where and when state money is invested. Covid will make a clean Brexit easier. A true reset. Agree wholly with this.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 22 Oct 20 10.34am |
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The Governor of the Bank of Ireland is worried. Let's hope the politicians listen.
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