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Mapletree Croydon 24 Mar 19 12.10am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays What I think is that opinion in the age ranges will broadly stay the same. People tend to become more anti EU as they get older.....and the EU's behaviour in these negotiations won't have done them favours. If and when another referendum comes....and as happened before you're likely to see one at some point.....I think you'll likely to see a similar result.....Especially as we will again see the predictions of doom not come to pass.....though I expect some issues. Brexit will happen because 2016 happened......Another referendum won't happen until a Labour government get in. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2019 12.05am) Is there some science that says you suddenly go off the EU at 45 or something? Maybe there is simply a progressive changing of the guard. People have grown used to the EU and da yoof has grown up taking it for granted. And don't want to lose it. Edited by Mapletree (24 Mar 2019 12.11am)
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Croydon 24 Mar 19 12.10am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What I think is that opinion in the age ranges will broadly stay the same. People tend to become more anti EU as they get older.....and the EU's behaviour in these negotiations won't have done them favours.

If and when another referendum comes....and as happened before you're likely to see one at some point.....I think you'll likely to see a similar result.....Especially as we will again see the predictions of doom not come to pass.....though I expect some issues.

Brexit will happen because 2016 happened......Another referendum won't happen until a Labour government get in.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2019 12.05am)

Is there some science that says you suddenly go off the EU at 45 or something?

Maybe there is simply a progressive changing of the guard. People have grown used to the EU and da yoof has grown up taking it for granted. And don't want to lose it.

Edited by Mapletree (24 Mar 2019 12.11am)

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Stirlingsays 24 Mar 19 12.17am
Originally posted by Mapletree Is there some science that says you suddenly go off the EU at 45 or something? Maybe there is simply a progressive changing of the guard. People have grown used to the EU and da yoof has grown up taking it for granted. And don't want to lose it. Edited by Mapletree (24 Mar 2019 12.11am) You do realise we have been in the EU for over forty years Maple. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Mar 19 12.17am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Is there some science that says you suddenly go off the EU at 45 or something?

Maybe there is simply a progressive changing of the guard. People have grown used to the EU and da yoof has grown up taking it for granted. And don't want to lose it.

Edited by Mapletree (24 Mar 2019 12.11am)

You do realise we have been in the EU for over forty years Maple.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 24 Mar 19 12.18am
An interview with Rod Liddle on Brexit, BBC bias & the liberal elite. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Mar 19 12.18am

An interview with Rod Liddle on Brexit, BBC bias & the liberal elite.

[Link]

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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becky over the moon 24 Mar 19 8.13am
Originally posted by Mapletree Is there some science that says you suddenly go off the EU at 45 or something? Maybe there is simply a progressive changing of the guard. People have grown used to the EU and da yoof has grown up taking it for granted. And don't want to lose it. Edited by Mapletree (24 Mar 2019 12.11am) ....until they start having to pay for it, at least.... A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 24 Mar 19 8.13am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Is there some science that says you suddenly go off the EU at 45 or something?

Maybe there is simply a progressive changing of the guard. People have grown used to the EU and da yoof has grown up taking it for granted. And don't want to lose it.

Edited by Mapletree (24 Mar 2019 12.11am)

....until they start having to pay for it, at least....

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Mapletree Croydon 24 Mar 19 10.52am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays An interview with Rod Liddle on Brexit, BBC bias & the liberal elite. [Link] Well, I made it into about 30 seconds Then I looked up New Culture Forum. For goodness sake find some balanced opinion will you.
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Croydon 24 Mar 19 10.52am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

An interview with Rod Liddle on Brexit, BBC bias & the liberal elite.

[Link]

Well, I made it into about 30 seconds

Then I looked up New Culture Forum.

For goodness sake find some balanced opinion will you.

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Stirlingsays 24 Mar 19 11.03am
Originally posted by Mapletree Well, I made it into about 30 seconds Then I looked up New Culture Forum. For goodness sake find some balanced opinion will you. Like what? You read the Guardian and promote the BBC. What is this balanced opinion of which you speak Maple? Rod Liddle comes from the left, he wrote speeches for the Labour front bench, spent time in Socialist Worker, editor of the Today programme. And you lasted 30 seconds Maple. It's true that 'New Culture Forum' is on the normie right, however the right are far more willing to engage with the left than the other way around.....far less censorious and less authoritarian. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2019 11.20am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Mar 19 11.03am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Well, I made it into about 30 seconds

Then I looked up New Culture Forum.

For goodness sake find some balanced opinion will you.

Like what? You read the Guardian and promote the BBC.

What is this balanced opinion of which you speak Maple?

Rod Liddle comes from the left, he wrote speeches for the Labour front bench, spent time in Socialist Worker, editor of the Today programme.

And you lasted 30 seconds Maple.

It's true that 'New Culture Forum' is on the normie right, however the right are far more willing to engage with the left than the other way around.....far less censorious and less authoritarian.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2019 11.20am)

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Mar 19 11.21am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol If we're so daft and boring isn't there a better forum for intellectuals such as your good self, we're clearly beneath you, i'm sure Mensa would be grateful for your insights It doesn't take a genius to figure out that a second referendum has no logical validity. Nice attempt at misdirection.
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

If we're so daft and boring isn't there a better forum for intellectuals such as your good self, we're clearly beneath you, i'm sure Mensa would be grateful for your insights

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that a second referendum has no logical validity.

Nice attempt at misdirection.

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Mar 19 11.24am
Originally posted by Mapletree And the next one will be the third Absurd. Using your 'logic', we must leave the EU and wait another 40 years for a third referendum.
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24 Mar 19 11.24am

Originally posted by Mapletree

And the next one will be the third

Absurd.

Using your 'logic', we must leave the EU and wait another 40 years for a third referendum.

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Stirlingsays 24 Mar 19 11.30am
'If you cannot get rid of the people who govern you, you do not live in a democratic system.' (Tony Benn on the EU) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Mar 19 11.30am

'If you cannot get rid of the people who govern you, you do not live in a democratic system.' (Tony Benn on the EU)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Mar 19 11.43am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays 'If you cannot get rid of the people who govern you, you do not live in a democratic system.' (Tony Benn on the EU) Funny how the people's moral outrage society is quite happy to ignore a democratic vote to get their own way.
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24 Mar 19 11.43am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'If you cannot get rid of the people who govern you, you do not live in a democratic system.' (Tony Benn on the EU)

Funny how the people's moral outrage society is quite happy to ignore a democratic vote to get their own way.

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Mapletree Croydon 24 Mar 19 1.40pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Absurd. Using your 'logic', we must leave the EU and wait another 40 years for a third referendum. Using my logic you have a referendum when it appears strongly likely the electorate has a different view to the status quo. In reality as I have said before I do not think plebiscites work, there is too much information and it's impossible to get anywhere approaching objectivity with such a huge number of people to educate. So instead populism holds sway. Nevertheless, the genie is out of the bottle, damage is being done and we need to cauterise the problem. It appears a third referendum may be one of very few possibilities. To repeat, if the electorate doesn't want Brexit then it is undemocratic to force it upon them. If the electorate does want Brexit then its reaffirmation will be useful in the negotiations. And as you clearly believe the people want Brexit - and that the second referendum wasn't an aberration driven by other issues than EU membership - you have nothing to fear from one. So get behind it and achieve your reaffirmation. You know it makes sense.
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Croydon 24 Mar 19 1.40pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Absurd.

Using your 'logic', we must leave the EU and wait another 40 years for a third referendum.

Using my logic you have a referendum when it appears strongly likely the electorate has a different view to the status quo. In reality as I have said before I do not think plebiscites work, there is too much information and it's impossible to get anywhere approaching objectivity with such a huge number of people to educate. So instead populism holds sway.

Nevertheless, the genie is out of the bottle, damage is being done and we need to cauterise the problem. It appears a third referendum may be one of very few possibilities.

To repeat, if the electorate doesn't want Brexit then it is undemocratic to force it upon them. If the electorate does want Brexit then its reaffirmation will be useful in the negotiations. And as you clearly believe the people want Brexit - and that the second referendum wasn't an aberration driven by other issues than EU membership - you have nothing to fear from one. So get behind it and achieve your reaffirmation. You know it makes sense.

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Mapletree Croydon 24 Mar 19 1.41pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Funny how the people's moral outrage society is quite happy to ignore a democratic vote to get their own way. Funny how people say a vote three years ago remains relevant despite evidence to the contrary. Do you also believe that parliamentary elections should not be held regularly?
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Croydon 24 Mar 19 1.41pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Funny how the people's moral outrage society is quite happy to ignore a democratic vote to get their own way.

Funny how people say a vote three years ago remains relevant despite evidence to the contrary. Do you also believe that parliamentary elections should not be held regularly?

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