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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I was thinking things like, for instance, covering areas where ice is melting in huge reflective sheets made out of recycled materials. Too difficult I guess. I think I saw it on Tomorrow's World so not exactly new. That dark haired presenter was pretty cute. I've no idea of the practicalities of the reflective sheets but it sounds logistically very difficult. Renewable energy sources are fairly expensive and inefficient at this stage but there is obviously significant investment in this space and indeed transition to renewable energy sources is well underway. It's an enormous industry in it's own right and huge part of the solution, if we are to have one. When you talk about taxing the average person and making their life more inconvenient - what are the examples of this? To be clear, there are undoubtedly people looking to profit out of climate change, but the existence a few opportunists shouldn't distract from the issue itself.
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Originally posted by Badger11
They are the ones who appear most concerned about climate change or so the media tells us. And how much agency do you think they have to affect the problem? It's strange logic to look to attribute blame to the people who are most concerned about the problem. 'Women are the ones who appear most concerned about misogyny, or so the media tells us... why don't they solve the problem themselves!?'
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I was thinking things like, for instance, covering areas where ice is melting in huge reflective sheets made out of recycled materials. Too difficult I guess. I think I saw it on Tomorrow's World so not exactly new. That dark haired presenter was pretty cute. Quite agree taxing the consumer is simply just an excuse for politicians to rake in more money. I can think of a couple of examples they could do: - Biggest plastic bottle polluter is Coca Cola tell them and the others they will be taxed for every plastic bottle they sell. How long before miracle of miracles they come up with an environmentally friendly solution. Tax the manufacturers. - As I understand it there is no national recycling standard for local councils to follow in other words one council may recycle a packet but next door they don't. If we want to get serious about recycling then force all councils to obey one set of rules. You can then tell manufacturers to make the labeling clearer and better yet stop using materials that can't be re-cycled.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
And how much agency do you think they have to affect the problem? It's strange logic to look to attribute blame to the people who are most concerned about the problem. 'Women are the ones who appear most concerned about misogyny, or so the media tells us... why don't they solve the problem themselves!?' Sigh I was joking although it would help if we all use electronic devices less.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I've no idea of the practicalities of the reflective sheets but it sounds logistically very difficult. Renewable energy sources are fairly expensive and inefficient at this stage but there is obviously significant investment in this space and indeed transition to renewable energy sources is well underway. It's an enormous industry in it's own right and huge part of the solution, if we are to have one. When you talk about taxing the average person and making their life more inconvenient - what are the examples of this? To be clear, there are undoubtedly people looking to profit out of climate change, but the existence a few opportunists shouldn't distract from the issue itself. Forcing electric cars onto people when they're not any good, they pollute more and there is no infrastructure. Congestion charges, like the London one but also elsewhere - along with high prices in public transport. Fuel tax, carbon tax, shutting of car parking spaces.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
It's strange logic to look to attribute blame to the people who are most concerned about the problem. 'Women are the ones who appear most concerned about misogyny, or so the media tells us... why don't they solve the problem themselves!?' that is a rather twisted logic from you. Again. So if an islamist stabbed a load of innocent kids.....who would you blame ? the kids or radical-Islam ?
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
that is a rather twisted logic from you. Again. So if an islamist stabbed a load of innocent kids.....who would you blame ? the kids or radical-Islam ? I don't really know where to start with this - you clearly have no comprehension of what I've said.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Forcing electric cars onto people when they're not any good, they pollute more and there is no infrastructure. Congestion charges, like the London one but also elsewhere - along with high prices in public transport. Fuel tax, carbon tax, shutting of car parking spaces. Is it though? I have no idea in all honesty but I find it quite hard to believe. Logistically, what does installing hundreds of miles of reflective sheets in the middle of Antarctica look like? Who pays for it? I don't think they are particularly practical ideas. The point is not for everyone to have an electric car - the point is for societies, particularly big inter-connected cities, to not be so reliant on cars as a method of transport because as you point out, there is no solution where car ownership and usage stays at it's current level, regardless of the fuel type.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Is it though? I have no idea in all honesty but I find it quite hard to believe. Logistically, what does installing hundreds of miles of reflective sheets in the middle of Antarctica look like? Who pays for it? I don't think they are particularly practical ideas. The point is not for everyone to have an electric car - the point is for societies, particularly big inter-connected cities, to not be so reliant on cars as a method of transport because as you point out, there is no solution where car ownership and usage stays at it's current level, regardless of the fuel type. You just seem to want to be contradictory on this - so fair enough. I've given doable alternatives which would have huge impacts for cheaper than changing the whole way people live. But let's just go along with the changing of an entire society and way of life and charging people for the pleasure. The green revolution. Perhaps we could just go pre-industrial and be serfs or farmers? Obviously no point in using readily available technology to reverse climate change. Why even consider it at all.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
You just seem to want to be contradictory on this - so fair enough. I've given doable alternatives which would have huge impacts for cheaper than changing the whole way people live. But let's just go along with the changing of an entire society and way of life and charging people for the pleasure. The green revolution. Perhaps we could just go pre-industrial and be serfs or farmers? Obviously no point in using readily available technology to reverse climate change. Why even consider it at all. That feels a bit harsh - we disagree obviously, but I'm not being contradictory, I'm just questioning the ideas. I'm sure someone more learned than me could offer some technical explanation on the challenges around renewables and heat/light reflection, but I don't think it's unreasonable or contradictory to ask some basic questions. I think 'changing an entire society and way of life' is exactly what needs to happen - we've become far too reliant on finite things and some level of weaning away from them is inevitable.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
That feels a bit harsh - we disagree obviously, but I'm not being contradictory, I'm just questioning the ideas. I'm sure someone more learned than me could offer some technical explanation on the challenges around renewables and heat/light reflection, but I don't think it's unreasonable or contradictory to ask some basic questions. I think 'changing an entire society and way of life' is exactly what needs to happen - we've become far too reliant on finite things and some level of weaning away from them is inevitable. I probably am being harsh. You've highlighted your position - fair enough. I find that quite doctrinal rather than genuinely sensible. I'm pretty sure more scientific people than me can poo poo any idea - yet there are obviously things that could be done genuinely pretty easily. Even solar power is barely used. Or reforestation, I'm not doctrinal, I just think we're going down an electric car and tax route which is unhelpful and wrong. It also creates an anti-green doctrine which I don't blame average people for. The greens are a farce where I live and have far too much power. Yet, still we are side-tracking the anti BBC thread.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Forcing electric cars onto people when they're not any good, they pollute more and there is no infrastructure. Congestion charges, like the London one but also elsewhere - along with high prices in public transport. Fuel tax, carbon tax, shutting of car parking spaces. I came up with an idea around 15 years ago and thought I was a genius. So I googled it and some one had patented it in the 50's before I was born!!!! Now expired. It's still not been done but it is one of the things being talked about. The issue of global warming is actually caused by one thing. The Sun. Reduce the Sun and it gets cooler. You walk around and when the sun is out its kin hot. It goes behind a cloud and boom it feels colder. The idea is to put a sun shield into space between us and the sun. It would reduce the sun by for example 25%, like a sun shade. It doesn't have to cover the whole planet just the North or south pole areas depending on which is in summer. In the north its actually Greenland that is the problem as that is fresh water. The North pole is totally sea ice so would have neglig1ble effect, compared to the ice on Greenland or the south pole. if it were to totally melt. Because it would be positioned between earth and the sun its size would not need to be anywhere near as large as placing reflective mirrors on the ice.
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Originally posted by The groover
I came up with an idea around 15 years ago and thought I was a genius. So I googled it and some one had patented it in the 50's before I was born!!!! Now expired. It's still not been done but it is one of the things being talked about. The issue of global warming is actually caused by one thing. The Sun. Reduce the Sun and it gets cooler. You walk around and when the sun is out its kin hot. It goes behind a cloud and boom it feels colder. The idea is to put a sun shield into space between us and the sun. It would reduce the sun by for example 25%, like a sun shade. It doesn't have to cover the whole planet just the North or south pole areas depending on which is in summer. In the north its actually Greenland that is the problem as that is fresh water. The North pole is totally sea ice so would have neglig1ble effect, compared to the ice on Greenland or the south pole. if it were to totally melt. Because it would be positioned between earth and the sun its size would not need to be anywhere near as large as placing reflective mirrors on the ice. Seems reasonable enough. I was talking about something like that drunk the other night. Obviously, just one thing that would probably require a range of other measures.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
You can't have an alternative view on facts - there is next to no disagreement amongst experts in this field. As you’ve replied i want you to read my post again. Nowhere have I said it isn’t happening. My take has always been that we are acting on the worst case scenario.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Agree 100%. Scary fact: It took the human race 30,000 years to get to 1 billion. In the last 12 years the population has INCREASED by 1 billion!!!!!
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I don't really know where to start with this - you clearly have no comprehension of what I've said. well perhaps if your writing style was as good as most of the other fellas on here........
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It is a toss-up who is more ridiculous the BBC the tories or the brexit generation of voters. But never mind Auntie will be holding a special Question Time to mark the 7th anniversary of the Brexit referendum... reserved exclusively for Leavers. Come on down, Clacton-on-Sea. That's right: their audience will consist entirely of people who inflicted Brexit on the rest of us. Bias, much?
It's like Germany in the 1930s.
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