Like a lot of things, immigration is a factor. People can scream scapegoat al they like but it is a factor, and the more people come in, the more and more people we have had coming in to pay for the people who’ve already come in. Many are willing to be a bit poorer to end this cycle. You don’t like this truth but it is so.

Individual EU workers I’ve met have nearly all been pleasant. I can’t say they’ve all been particularly interesting and maybe that’s because the novelty has worn off, but they’re not a number to me like they were to new Labour but are or will add to the issues.

How’s first house buying going and yet young people are brainwashed for it to continue.

One day left of the most boring election it shouldn’t have been.

We leave by the end of January. And fingers cross leave without a deal by the end of 2020. But there will be progress. One less star on that s***ty flag. Our MEP's back home.

What do Labour offer us? Another referendum before the first has been implemented? With no real Leave option? Oh and EU citizens and kids voting in it. Yes, that solves everything. That will unify the country. It is a recipie for utter calamity.

I get why many of you loathe Johnson. I really do. No love for him myself and I suspect that although I will cast my vote for the Tories tomorrow if we do leave the EU I suspect it will be the last time ever.

But Corbyn as PM? Seriously? A man who gave succor to the IRA at the time it was trying to kill people on British streets? Who proclaims people like Hammas as friends? With that other w***er McDonnell by his side? And even bigger scumbag in my opinion and by far the more dangerous.

Once Brexit is achieved then I am bowing out of all political discourse for a long long time. Cut ties with a lot of people who I have known for decades over it and suspect that those friendships will never be rekindled. Nobody will emerge from this unbloodied but so far it has been jaw-jaw. Painful yes but better than the alternatives.

We don't leave and then I fear the worse because democracy will have been fatally undermined in this country. Our current political class, of all shades, are wretched. They really are. But we also all have to look in the mirror and ask what part we played in it as well. How vitriolic many of us have become, how dismissive of others point of views, how entrenched we have become.

And for who? A political class that have shown zero true leadership or respect for the very basics of our democratic process?

But it doesn't 'Get It Done' though does it? It's just the beginning of new negotiations. It doesn't go away for a decade at least.

I see this morning that BJ was so proud of his policies that he decided to hide in a fridge rather than be interviewed. If I was proud of my policies I would simply not hide in a fridge.

The Tories will be the biggest party. But it will be a hung parliament. Why?

1. The polls are weighting things based on 2015. This is open to fault: there have been demographic shifts since then which mean there are less right/Brexit supporters. Similarly, there's a bigger number of young left voters. Most estimates suggest at least 4 million new registered voters, most of whom will vote anti-tory. Again, this isn't taken into account by the polls.

2. While Farage's gift to Boris raises his numbers, it does so in seats which are already tory, and is unlikely to translate in to new seats. In fact, the seats BP are standing in will have a split that will favour Labour.

3. According to yougov, we are already in the margin of error. In the next two days, the strength of Labour's ground campaign in marginal seats will make a difference, just as it did in 2017. I yhink, also, in marginal lib/tory seats you will see tactical voting work in the liberal's favour.

4. Am I optimistic? Despite my previous wind up post, I remain cautiously so. But it's interesting to see that many in the stock markets are now hedging money against the pound in anticipation, presumably, of a hung parliament. They usually have inside info.

This Twitter account is worth a read. Not my political persuasion, but well evidenced analysis of polls and likely results...

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It depends how you look at it. Immigrants tend to pay their taxes and NIC well and overall - as far as anyone can tell - use the NHS considerably less than non-immigrants. So they are funding the NHS. It is blatantly false to blame them for the NHS crisis. Unfortunately the Tax and NIC they pay has not been allocated to the NHS but instead to other areas. That isn't their fault and doesn't change the fact they are net contributors not receivers.

Leaving the EU will only change the colours of skins, not the volumes of immigrants. Currently we are addicted to the income they bring in and the capabilities we have neglected to grow inside the UK.

I understand that

It's sad the genie was let out of the bottle

But it is certainly true that the referendum was fought on misinformation. And, unlike an election, once it's done it's almost impossible to turn back. Is it not reasonable to test the current will of the people to see if the deal struck is indeed what they wanted, given the lack of clarity in the original vote?

Don't forget that the polls swung dramatically right at the end of the referendum, apparently affected by dirty tricks online.

If we do leave the EU, as you say it's inevitable we shall re-join. The youngest generation of voters will eventually have its say.