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 berlinpalace  berlin 10 Dec 19 6.38pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
As opposed to leaving it it and pretty much having The Labour Party Very good, I did wonder about that line.
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Stirlingsays  10 Dec 19 6.53pm |
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Interesting.
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Attachment: | deleted user 10 Dec 19 7.27pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The key mistake or rather intention in the media and on here was the politisation of this in both directions. There is nothing that's particularly suprising about what's pictured though, due to the stretched nature of the NHS. Whether a chair or on the floor, it's still a sad state of affairs where we're dealing with sick children. There are multiple examples from Leeds General where nurses are present and even younger sick children don't have a bed. It's just in most peoples nature to get on with things and not complain or start causing a stink about it. If anything these are more stark images [Tweet Link]
Edited by dollardays (10 Dec 2019 7.45pm)
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| elgrande bedford 10 Dec 19 7.31pm |
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Whether the story is true or not(and I have my doubts). The NHS,is broken has been for years (under which ever party is in power). Inner cities are full up,people are not regersted or cant get an appointment with a GP. Where I live we do not have that problem, I have had some issues over the last few years as my other half has. We have had nothing but first class service,both with our GP,S and hospitals. The biggest problem is the country is full up...no room at the f***ing inn. Why do none of the politicians ever mention this,employ or train 100s more nurses and doctors wont change it,because more people will just keep coming and use it.
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| deleted user 10 Dec 19 7.39pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Whether the story is true or not(and I have my doubts). The NHS,is broken has been for years (under which ever party is in power). Inner cities are full up,people are not regersted or cant get an appointment with a GP. Where I live we do not have that problem, I have had some issues over the last few years as my other half has. We have had nothing but first class service,both with our GP,S and hospitals. The biggest problem is the country is full up...no room at the f***ing inn. Why do none of the politicians ever mention this,employ or train 100s more nurses and doctors wont change it,because more people will just keep coming and use it. There is definitely much to be said for how ludicrously stretched the NHS is in some areas of the country compared to others. At least post brexit should should (in theory at least) more variables at play regarding who is allowed to use the health service and well as the numbers coming in.
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| deleted user 10 Dec 19 7.43pm |
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Current Overall Majority Odds Conservatives 1-3
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| Matov 10 Dec 19 7.56pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Current Overall Majority Odds Conservatives 1-3
We are at the end of a political nightmare in which any and every attempt at predicting anything has gone horribly wrong. 2015. Cameron was not meant to win a majority. And now we are here. The only result that went according to any kind of conventional political logic was the Euro elections with the Brexit Party storming it.
Oddly enough if/when Labour do get trounced then I feel a little sorry for Corbyn. When Brexit was not an issue, he did bloody well but thanks to all those R2 w***ers, he was forced to fight this election against a wider narrative of people wanting Brexit over with all Labour promising not only a huge heap more but proposing a Remain proposition that would have caused the divisions to split even more. That is the madness and to give him the little credit I am able to, he has loathed the EU for decades. Knows it is a farce and not in the UK's interest to remain in it. And his career looks like ending on the back of him having to adopt a stance that I suspect troubles him greatly.
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| chris123 hove actually 10 Dec 19 8.06pm |
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Not sure stopping the nurses bursary was well thought out - or the tax/pension issue that affected a lot of doctors in the last year.
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jeeagles  10 Dec 19 8.07pm |
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A couple of days and this latest political bulls*** will all be over. They all just look like a bunch of failed teachers anyway. Johnson - Chemistry, JC - Religious Studies. I'm pretty sure it's a fact.
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| deleted user 10 Dec 19 8.26pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
We are at the end of a political nightmare in which any and every attempt at predicting anything has gone horribly wrong. 2015. Cameron was not meant to win a majority. And now we are here. The only result that went according to any kind of conventional political logic was the Euro elections with the Brexit Party storming it.
Oddly enough if/when Labour do get trounced then I feel a little sorry for Corbyn. When Brexit was not an issue, he did bloody well but thanks to all those R2 w***ers, he was forced to fight this election against a wider narrative of people wanting Brexit over with all Labour promising not only a huge heap more but proposing a Remain proposition that would have caused the divisions to split even more. That is the madness and to give him the little credit I am able to, he has loathed the EU for decades. Knows it is a farce and not in the UK's interest to remain in it. And his career looks like ending on the back of him having to adopt a stance that I suspect troubles him greatly. It's a good point, that overreliance on polls and predictions has led to a lot of eggs on a lot of faces over the past few years. I agree that there is a different feel this time around and Labour don't appear to be making anywhere near the required gains as polling day nears. The only way I can see them outperforming expectations is if there's much more tactical voting between Labour and Lib Dem voters in marginals than has been factored in. Who knows how the day will pan out, but a 50-60 seat Tory majority certainly wouldn't surprise me. As you say May couldn't get people onside in the way that Boris can, and there was a sense back then of holding out for a different or better deal down the line, whereas with this election there's a feel of now or never to proceedings. As for Corbyn, I don't really disagree in that he had to tick an impossible number of boxes to cater for different factions within the party. Politically he would've likely done much better if he'd gone full on remain, and crushed Lib Dem support, but he clearly doesn't have much time for the EU either. Ironically he's very likely more anti EU than any of the other party leaders, Farage aside of course.
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| W12 10 Dec 19 8.29pm | |
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Originally posted by dollardays
The key mistake or rather intention in the media and on here was the politisation of this in both directions. There is nothing that's particularly suprising about what's pictured though, due to the stretched nature of the NHS. Whether a chair or on the floor, it's still a sad state of affairs where we're dealing with sick children. There are multiple examples from Leeds General where nurses are present and even younger sick children don't have a bed. It's just in most peoples nature to get on with things and not complain or start causing a stink about it. If anything these are more stark images [Tweet Link]
Edited by dollardays (10 Dec 2019 7.45pm) We are spending 5 or 6 times on the NHS (allowing for inflation) that we spent in the early 1970's and spending on the NHS continues to increase year on year over and above inflation. The main reason for this is that about 500,000 people are added to the population every year despite the native population being in decline. Yet we continue to focus on "under funding" and justify the need for more immigration because we need more doctors and nurses from other countries despite that having a negative impact on those countries and (for those that pretend to care about the "climate emergency" ) those people coming from the 3rd world increase their carbon footprint 10 or 20 fold simply by moving to the UK. Clown world.
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| deleted user 10 Dec 19 8.53pm |
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Originally posted by W12
We are spending 5 or 6 times on the NHS (allowing for inflation) that we spent in the early 1970's and spending on the NHS continues to increase year on year over and above inflation. The main reason for this is that about 500,000 people are added to the population every year despite the native population being in decline. Yet we continue to focus on "under funding" and justify the need for more immigration because we need more doctors and nurses from other countries despite that having a negative impact on those countries and (for those that pretend to care about the "climate emergency" ) those people coming from the 3rd world increase their carbon footprint 10 or 20 fold simply by moving to the UK. Clown world.
Yes as I said in the message following 'There is definitely much to be said for how ludicrously stretched the NHS is in some areas of the country compared to others. At least post brexit should should (in theory at least) more variables at play regarding who is allowed to use the health service and well as the numbers coming in.' My concern going forward is that politicians are very good at saying the right things when they want your vote, but as we see from the current rising non eu numbers, is there really going to be a concerted effort to substantially cut these figures longterm? I get your point about the negative impact on countries we take nurses and doctors from. That said, we're in such a state in this area that we need to be careful about how we move forward post Brexit since 1/8 of NHS staff are foreign. It's the only area of immigration I'd offer a soft touch to initially I think to avoid an exodus, while also making it much easier for doctors and nurses to be trained here so that we to gradually transition to something more sensible and sustainable Edited by dollardays (10 Dec 2019 8.54pm)
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