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Originally posted by Desperate to win
I have supported the club for over sixty years, along with many others I’m sure, but after yesterday’s performance I had to come on here and put my point. Ray Lewington was back in the dugout yesterday.
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Originally posted by eritheagle
I don't understand people saying 4-4-2 is boring and that he insists on playing it. You would think playing 442 would produce more goals. We've basically been playing with 3 forwards and eze, and rarely look like scoring. While also weakening the midfield. surely to god this shows the tactics aren't working. He changed it once against wolves and we looked so much better, then back to 442.
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Ray Lewiston looked shell shocked at the performance. No shouting not a good sign.
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid
Agree with this. Most of the goals we've conceded recently have been down to defensive frailty, individual mistakes and inability to deal with crosses and balls into the box rather than us being picked apart. That said I would still try to stiffen things up by going 4-3-3.
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Originally posted by MonsterMunch
Once they start peddling it’s the players not the manager line the conversation is null and void for me. As the poor performances stack up their argument becomes less and less coherent. Yes we can accept the players are in the twilight of their careers, that also means there’s a bell of a lot of experience in that team and they should not be producing these performances. For me the players are not playing for him any longer. Perhaps the drab, outdated football has got to the players now too. How about the players show some pride and effort in spite of who ever is manager. It's called earning your salary or maybe it's a novel idea for footballers!!
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Originally posted by Putitout
Something has gone very badly wrong, that’s so obvious , but this set of players, has to be in question every bit as much as the management. The players must be pretty p****ed off with the tactics now and clearly aren't enjoying their football. The defence isn't playing well, but at least 2 of the goals came from PVA - when we have eze playing wide left and 2 centre forwards, we need a left back to defend, not play higher up the pitch than eze. Wr have 2 defensive midfielders who get overrun every game. We have 2 centre forwards who although are c**p get no service at all. When you're not enjoying your football and are frustrated by tactics and team mates, it's difficult to play well.
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Originally posted by Cornwall Eagle
Ray Lewiston looked shell shocked at the performance. No shouting not a good sign. Just before the start of the second half, I noticed Mr Hodgson and Dave Reddington making their way back to the dugout together, presumably from the dressing room and Ray Lewington was already standing in the technical area. I was just pondering as to whether Ray Lewington actually went into the dressing room at the break or perhaps he left it before Messrs Hodgson and Reddington?
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I used to really like Roy sitting up shop when we went 3/0 against Man City or Liverpool. I did not expect this approach against Burnley.
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
The difference this season compared to previous ones is that when we've lost we've generally deserved it, when we've drawn we've often been somewhat lucky, and when we've won it's also often felt somewhat fortuitous. We got off to a good start against Saints and Man Utd, but that was clearly down to us having a proper preseason and those two teams not having decided to prepare properly. When I think across the season it really seems amazing that we have 29 points. By contrast Brighton have been unlucky not to have more points and were it not for an impotent frontline earlier in the season would likely already be above us. They have shown you can transition from an ultra defensive team (like under Hughton) to a more attractive style without breaking the bank and it's galling that it is our biggest rivals that are the ones achieving that. With regard to Copper I was reading comments from Swansea fans who say he is tactically clueless and doesn't use his subs. If true that sounds very concerning if the club really are interested in him. Completely agree. My 16 year old son celebrated the Wolves and Newcastle wins with relief rather than joy. This is the team we have become.
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
The difference this season compared to previous ones is that when we've lost we've generally deserved it, when we've drawn we've often been somewhat lucky, and when we've won it's also often felt somewhat fortuitous. We got off to a good start against Saints and Man Utd, but that was clearly down to us having a proper preseason and those two teams not having decided to prepare properly. When I think across the season it really seems amazing that we have 29 points. By contrast Brighton have been unlucky not to have more points and were it not for an impotent frontline earlier in the season would likely already be above us. They have shown you can transition from an ultra defensive team (like under Hughton) to a more attractive style without breaking the bank and it's galling that it is our biggest rivals that are the ones achieving that. With regard to Copper I was reading comments from Swansea fans who say he is tactically clueless and doesn't use his subs. If true that sounds very concerning if the club really are interested in him. Brighton's 'Net spend' under Potter has been nearly £70 Mill.
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Originally posted by PZ Eagle
How about the players show some pride and effort in spite of who ever is manager. It's called earning your salary or maybe it's a novel idea for footballers!! 100% agree.
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Has the last surviving dinosaur resigned or been sacked today??
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Originally posted by Jacey
Has the last surviving dinosaur resigned or been sacked today?? For one thing you need a replacement. What's your solution - hire the first person available ?
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Originally posted by spartakev2
The players must be pretty p****ed off with the tactics now and clearly aren't enjoying their football. The defence isn't playing well, but at least 2 of the goals came from PVA - when we have eze playing wide left and 2 centre forwards, we need a left back to defend, not play higher up the pitch than eze. Wr have 2 defensive midfielders who get overrun every game. We have 2 centre forwards who although are c**p get no service at all. When you're not enjoying your football and are frustrated by tactics and team mates, it's difficult to play well. You are making a good argument for the need to get schlupp back quickly. Tomkins to stiffen central defence. MacArthur to break up midfield. And Wilfred to provide that spark in attack and draw defenders. That said with the players we fielded we should not have been so weak and ineffectual against a team below us in the table. I am an advocate for Roy doing a holding job to allow us an opportunity to undertake proper due diligence on a replacement. But yesterday's schitt performance makes that argument more difficult to defend. Roy is in serious danger of having as his legacy an ignominious sacking to end his career.
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Originally posted by silvertop
You are making a good argument for the need to get schlupp back quickly. Tomkins to stiffen central defence. MacArthur to break up midfield. And Wilfred to provide that spark in attack and draw defenders. That said with the players we fielded we should not have been so weak and ineffectual against a team below us in the table. I am an advocate for Roy doing a holding job to allow us an opportunity to undertake proper due diligence on a replacement. But yesterday's schitt performance makes that argument more difficult to defend. Roy is in serious danger of having as his legacy an ignominious sacking to end his career. Just my opinion, but I don't think that will happen. I see us gaining enough points to stay up with Roy still in charge, and then no new contract offered after that.
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
The difference this season compared to previous ones is that when we've lost we've generally deserved it, when we've drawn we've often been somewhat lucky, and when we've won it's also often felt somewhat fortuitous. We got off to a good start against Saints and Man Utd, but that was clearly down to us having a proper preseason and those two teams not having decided to prepare properly. When I think across the season it really seems amazing that we have 29 points. By contrast Brighton have been unlucky not to have more points and were it not for an impotent frontline earlier in the season would likely already be above us. They have shown you can transition from an ultra defensive team (like under Hughton) to a more attractive style without breaking the bank and it's galling that it is our biggest rivals that are the ones achieving that. With regard to Copper I was reading comments from Swansea fans who say he is tactically clueless and doesn't use his subs. If true that sounds very concerning if the club really are interested in him. Yep, I would say interestingly for me the only two satisfying performances this season have been the draws with Leicester and Tottenham, we actually looked like a team in both those games. Man U was great but as mentioned you have to look at them and Leeds we were a tad fortunate but I think we deserved it that day. The rest stinks of fortuitous stumbling through with an ever present threat the luck will run as will the points, let alone any prospect of scoring a goal or keeping them out, and I think Wilfs injury is the realisation of that. I’m inclined to be pessimistic but I really can’t see where we will next pick up points, the manager has proved he does not know how to get anything without Wilf in the team and we look to be falling apart at the seams.
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