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AERO Flag 14 Feb 21 11.01am

Looks similar to potter at Brighton. To be fair although they were struggling they play decent stuff and seem to be forward thinking.And think they will get stronger as they are buying up some good young talent from a abroad. If we get this type of manager we will need a lot of patience .

 

Desperate to win Flag Bexhill 14 Feb 21 11.04am

I have supported the club for over sixty years, along with many others I’m sure, but after yesterday’s performance I had to come on here and put my point.
In all those years I have seen some diabolical performances but yesterday it wasn’t just the team it was Roy as well. If a manager sees his or her team playing like that they show compassion, drive and encouragement to try to get their team playing but watching Roy yesterday was uncomfortable he clueless staring into space turning to the dugout saying a few words and looking back at play with the same blank look on his face. Now if you are a player looking for some direction you look at your manager. Roy has been good for the club under the circumstances but the question is has time and enthusiasm run its course, saying you are enthusiastic and being enthusiastic are two different things.
Roy would make a reasonable press officer talking to the press and tv so there’s an opportunity in the club there, just a suggestion.
Who replaces him is another topic, but if Steve doesn’t act quickly those available or who would consider the club could get snapped up. I should imagine their first question to Steve would by how much money have I got to spend and I would like to look at your academy players.
I don’t want to offend anybody but I feel it has to be said, rant over let’s hope things improve when Ray L returns.....

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Feb 21 11.07am

Originally posted by Desperate to win

I have supported the club for over sixty years, along with many others I’m sure, but after yesterday’s performance I had to come on here and put my point.
In all those years I have seen some diabolical performances but yesterday it wasn’t just the team it was Roy as well. If a manager sees his or her team playing like that they show compassion, drive and encouragement to try to get their team playing but watching Roy yesterday was uncomfortable he clueless staring into space turning to the dugout saying a few words and looking back at play with the same blank look on his face. Now if you are a player looking for some direction you look at your manager. Roy has been good for the club under the circumstances but the question is has time and enthusiasm run its course, saying you are enthusiastic and being enthusiastic are two different things.
Roy would make a reasonable press officer talking to the press and tv so there’s an opportunity in the club there, just a suggestion.
Who replaces him is another topic, but if Steve doesn’t act quickly those available or who would consider the club could get snapped up. I should imagine their first question to Steve would by how much money have I got to spend and I would like to look at your academy players.
I don’t want to offend anybody but I feel it has to be said, rant over let’s hope things improve when Ray L returns.....

Ray Lewington was back in the dugout yesterday.

 

spartakev2 Flag Anerley 14 Feb 21 11.09am

Originally posted by eritheagle

I don't understand people saying 4-4-2 is boring and that he insists on playing it.
We played 4-3-3 for previous seasons and it was just as tedious and boring and people were calling for it to change (me included) and in some cases to a 4-4-2 system.
I just think that it's not the system per se but the way we are so rigid and don't have any freedom or fluidity to our play. I'd rather we went long at times than playing it about at the back and midfield and going nowhere.
Get the ball forward, into the box and win the second balls in the final third and we may actually score some goals!

You would think playing 442 would produce more goals. We've basically been playing with 3 forwards and eze, and rarely look like scoring. While also weakening the midfield. surely to god this shows the tactics aren't working. He changed it once against wolves and we looked so much better, then back to 442.

 

Cornwall Eagle Flag 14 Feb 21 11.11am

Ray Lewiston looked shell shocked at the performance. No shouting not a good sign.

 

Putitout Flag Oxford 14 Feb 21 11.12am

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Agree with this. Most of the goals we've conceded recently have been down to defensive frailty, individual mistakes and inability to deal with crosses and balls into the box rather than us being picked apart. That said I would still try to stiffen things up by going 4-3-3.


In the circumstances stiffening things up is imperative . However it’s done.
Until recently ,we have been noted for our defensive organisation, even people essentially detractors of our over all approach to games have praised our defensive work. So is it a change of shape needed or a return to a good use of the shape that has worked well when the players were in better physical and mental shape than they appear to be right now.
What ever shape we choose the players have to be up for it, and up to it. Neither was the case yesterday. There was a lethargy in that performance yesterday that no amount of changing shape would have altered. But we do need to get some basics sorted out that’s for sure. An aside. I heard Harry from Sandbanks, comment yesterday. Roy ,told Bats, get warmed up your coming off. If that didn’t sum it up nothing did.


 

PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 14 Feb 21 11.17am

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

Once they start peddling it’s the players not the manager line the conversation is null and void for me. As the poor performances stack up their argument becomes less and less coherent. Yes we can accept the players are in the twilight of their careers, that also means there’s a bell of a lot of experience in that team and they should not be producing these performances. For me the players are not playing for him any longer. Perhaps the drab, outdated football has got to the players now too.

How about the players show some pride and effort in spite of who ever is manager. It's called earning your salary or maybe it's a novel idea for footballers!!

 


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spartakev2 Flag Anerley 14 Feb 21 11.18am

Originally posted by Putitout

Something has gone very badly wrong, that’s so obvious , but this set of players, has to be in question every bit as much as the management.
There has rarely been a time when , take Wilf, Thomps, Mc,A, out, and the team can cope, in any competition. Not cup or league, It’s not new, it’s happened in most seasons it’s just got just worse.
No manager sends teams out to let in early goals game on game, No experienced group of players should not be able to go a long way to sorting that kind of problem themselves.
No one can say any longer it’s Roy’s extreme organised brand that is the problem. Burnley , should have been a tough game for both teams. If Roy’s organisation had been in play Burnley wouldn’t have got any of those goals, and it would have been a tough game going narrowly one way or the other. It certainly was not that.
Change manager is only a sticking plaster , if that lot are happy to play like that. All of the old bad habits were on show yesterday , bad positioning, poor marking, s*** passing ,even when not pressured, weak tackling , slow build ups, slow thinking to opportunities, it’s endless.
Only the players know why they are finding it so hard to apply themselves to using talents they, as long time pro,s should have become second nature.
A huge good luck to whoever ends up managing this lot whether that’s Roy or someone else.

The players must be pretty p****ed off with the tactics now and clearly aren't enjoying their football. The defence isn't playing well, but at least 2 of the goals came from PVA - when we have eze playing wide left and 2 centre forwards, we need a left back to defend, not play higher up the pitch than eze. Wr have 2 defensive midfielders who get overrun every game. We have 2 centre forwards who although are c**p get no service at all. When you're not enjoying your football and are frustrated by tactics and team mates, it's difficult to play well.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Feb 21 11.18am

Originally posted by Cornwall Eagle

Ray Lewiston looked shell shocked at the performance. No shouting not a good sign.

Just before the start of the second half, I noticed Mr Hodgson and Dave Reddington making their way back to the dugout together, presumably from the dressing room and Ray Lewington was already standing in the technical area.

I was just pondering as to whether Ray Lewington actually went into the dressing room at the break or perhaps he left it before Messrs Hodgson and Reddington?


Edited by Willo (14 Feb 2021 11.19am)

 

Crystal_Clear Flag Belfast 14 Feb 21 11.21am

Make no mistake, we are heading into another losing streak like last season. I cannot see us beating Fulham, West Brom, Sheffield utd.

We are stuck with our squad now until the end of the season, and something has to change.

The management team is the only thing we can change.

 

Cornwall Eagle Flag 14 Feb 21 11.22am

I used to really like Roy sitting up shop when we went 3/0 against Man City or Liverpool. I did not expect this approach against Burnley.

 

taylors lovechild Flag 14 Feb 21 11.23am

The difference this season compared to previous ones is that when we've lost we've generally deserved it, when we've drawn we've often been somewhat lucky, and when we've won it's also often felt somewhat fortuitous.

We got off to a good start against Saints and Man Utd, but that was clearly down to us having a proper preseason and those two teams not having decided to prepare properly.

When I think across the season it really seems amazing that we have 29 points. By contrast Brighton have been unlucky not to have more points and were it not for an impotent frontline earlier in the season would likely already be above us. They have shown you can transition from an ultra defensive team (like under Hughton) to a more attractive style without breaking the bank and it's galling that it is our biggest rivals that are the ones achieving that.

With regard to Copper I was reading comments from Swansea fans who say he is tactically clueless and doesn't use his subs. If true that sounds very concerning if the club really are interested in him.

 

Cornwall Eagle Flag 14 Feb 21 11.33am

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

The difference this season compared to previous ones is that when we've lost we've generally deserved it, when we've drawn we've often been somewhat lucky, and when we've won it's also often felt somewhat fortuitous.

We got off to a good start against Saints and Man Utd, but that was clearly down to us having a proper preseason and those two teams not having decided to prepare properly.

When I think across the season it really seems amazing that we have 29 points. By contrast Brighton have been unlucky not to have more points and were it not for an impotent frontline earlier in the season would likely already be above us. They have shown you can transition from an ultra defensive team (like under Hughton) to a more attractive style without breaking the bank and it's galling that it is our biggest rivals that are the ones achieving that.

With regard to Copper I was reading comments from Swansea fans who say he is tactically clueless and doesn't use his subs. If true that sounds very concerning if the club really are interested in him.

Completely agree. My 16 year old son celebrated the Wolves and Newcastle wins with relief rather than joy. This is the team we have become.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Feb 21 11.33am

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

The difference this season compared to previous ones is that when we've lost we've generally deserved it, when we've drawn we've often been somewhat lucky, and when we've won it's also often felt somewhat fortuitous.

We got off to a good start against Saints and Man Utd, but that was clearly down to us having a proper preseason and those two teams not having decided to prepare properly.

When I think across the season it really seems amazing that we have 29 points. By contrast Brighton have been unlucky not to have more points and were it not for an impotent frontline earlier in the season would likely already be above us. They have shown you can transition from an ultra defensive team (like under Hughton) to a more attractive style without breaking the bank and it's galling that it is our biggest rivals that are the ones achieving that.

With regard to Copper I was reading comments from Swansea fans who say he is tactically clueless and doesn't use his subs. If true that sounds very concerning if the club really are interested in him.

Brighton's 'Net spend' under Potter has been nearly £70 Mill.

 

MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 14 Feb 21 11.34am

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

How about the players show some pride and effort in spite of who ever is manager. It's called earning your salary or maybe it's a novel idea for footballers!!

100% agree.

 

Jacey Flag 14 Feb 21 11.35am

Has the last surviving dinosaur resigned or been sacked today??
If not,why not.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Feb 21 11.37am

Originally posted by Jacey

Has the last surviving dinosaur resigned or been sacked today??
If not,why not.

For one thing you need a replacement.

What's your solution - hire the first person available ?

 


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silvertop Flag Portishead 14 Feb 21 11.41am

Originally posted by spartakev2

The players must be pretty p****ed off with the tactics now and clearly aren't enjoying their football. The defence isn't playing well, but at least 2 of the goals came from PVA - when we have eze playing wide left and 2 centre forwards, we need a left back to defend, not play higher up the pitch than eze. Wr have 2 defensive midfielders who get overrun every game. We have 2 centre forwards who although are c**p get no service at all. When you're not enjoying your football and are frustrated by tactics and team mates, it's difficult to play well.

You are making a good argument for the need to get schlupp back quickly.

Tomkins to stiffen central defence.

MacArthur to break up midfield.

And Wilfred to provide that spark in attack and draw defenders.

That said with the players we fielded we should not have been so weak and ineffectual against a team below us in the table.

I am an advocate for Roy doing a holding job to allow us an opportunity to undertake proper due diligence on a replacement. But yesterday's schitt performance makes that argument more difficult to defend.

Roy is in serious danger of having as his legacy an ignominious sacking to end his career.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Feb 21 11.44am

Originally posted by silvertop

You are making a good argument for the need to get schlupp back quickly.

Tomkins to stiffen central defence.

MacArthur to break up midfield.

And Wilfred to provide that spark in attack and draw defenders.

That said with the players we fielded we should not have been so weak and ineffectual against a team below us in the table.

I am an advocate for Roy doing a holding job to allow us an opportunity to undertake proper due diligence on a replacement. But yesterday's schitt performance makes that argument more difficult to defend.

Roy is in serious danger of having as his legacy an ignominious sacking to end his career.

Just my opinion, but I don't think that will happen.

I see us gaining enough points to stay up with Roy still in charge, and then no new contract offered after that.

 


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 14 Feb 21 11.45am

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

The difference this season compared to previous ones is that when we've lost we've generally deserved it, when we've drawn we've often been somewhat lucky, and when we've won it's also often felt somewhat fortuitous.

We got off to a good start against Saints and Man Utd, but that was clearly down to us having a proper preseason and those two teams not having decided to prepare properly.

When I think across the season it really seems amazing that we have 29 points. By contrast Brighton have been unlucky not to have more points and were it not for an impotent frontline earlier in the season would likely already be above us. They have shown you can transition from an ultra defensive team (like under Hughton) to a more attractive style without breaking the bank and it's galling that it is our biggest rivals that are the ones achieving that.

With regard to Copper I was reading comments from Swansea fans who say he is tactically clueless and doesn't use his subs. If true that sounds very concerning if the club really are interested in him.

Yep, I would say interestingly for me the only two satisfying performances this season have been the draws with Leicester and Tottenham, we actually looked like a team in both those games. Man U was great but as mentioned you have to look at them and Leeds we were a tad fortunate but I think we deserved it that day.

The rest stinks of fortuitous stumbling through with an ever present threat the luck will run as will the points, let alone any prospect of scoring a goal or keeping them out, and I think Wilfs injury is the realisation of that.

I’m inclined to be pessimistic but I really can’t see where we will next pick up points, the manager has proved he does not know how to get anything without Wilf in the team and we look to be falling apart at the seams.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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