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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
When I comment it is inevitably as a consequence of spurious claims being made. Claims which reveal an underlying selfish attitude and a disregard for any acceptance of a responsibility for the welfare of others. Maybe you don’t think that’s worth calling out. I do. If anyone has a valid reason for not being vaccinated then that’s different but I have not yet read one here. If 60% had refused it that might be a point but I don't see how 7 people in every 100 present a threat to the population by not having a vaccine which doesn't affect transmission.
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This comic says it better than any shill government experts. Edited by Mattconrov (20 Aug 2023 6.17pm)
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
If 60% had refused it that might be a point but I don't see how 7 people in every 100 present a threat to the population by not having a vaccine which doesn't affect transmission. This obsession with the fact that transmission remains a possibility whether vaccinated or not, is to entirely miss the point. The primary benefit, and the original expectation, of the vaccines was always to mitigate the severity of any infection. Reducing symptoms should, in turn, indirectly reduce infections, thus gradually introducing herd immunity. Anyone, whatever the % of the population, who could have participated in the effort to beat this disease but refused without a valid reason to do so, deserves to be called out in the hope that they would not do it again should a similar event ever occur again. Selfish behaviour is something that I find intolerable.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This obsession with the fact that transmission remains a possibility whether vaccinated or not, is to entirely miss the point. The primary benefit, and the original expectation, of the vaccines was always to mitigate the severity of any infection. Reducing symptoms should, in turn, indirectly reduce infections, thus gradually introducing herd immunity. Anyone, whatever the % of the population, who could have participated in the effort to beat this disease but refused without a valid reason to do so, deserves to be called out in the hope that they would not do it again should a similar event ever occur again. Selfish behaviour is something that I find intolerable. Why would it introduce herd immunity any more than catching it?
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
This comic says it better than any shill government experts. Edited by Mattconrov (20 Aug 2023 6.17pm) Yep, the logic makes no sense. Also, if someone gets vaccinated and then thinks they are protected their social interactions are going to increase significantly exactly because of that belief....hence the transmission rate isn't going to decrease. This is exactly what the statistics showed once the vaccines started. But hey, it isn't about actual reality just whatever fantasy they choose to obsess about.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This obsession with the fact that transmission remains a possibility whether vaccinated or not, is to entirely miss the point. The primary benefit, and the original expectation, of the vaccines was always to mitigate the severity of any infection. Reducing symptoms should, in turn, indirectly reduce infections, thus gradually introducing herd immunity. Anyone, whatever the % of the population, who could have participated in the effort to beat this disease but refused without a valid reason to do so, deserves to be called out in the hope that they would not do it again should a similar event ever occur again. Selfish behaviour is something that I find intolerable. What, like not having gas appliances serviced?
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
This comic says it better than any shill government experts. Edited by Mattconrov (20 Aug 2023 6.17pm) The “comic”, apart from not being the least bit funny, is missing the point completely. As it seems so do you and those who rush to agree with you. The issue was never about whether the unvaccinated could infect the vaccinated, or visa versa. That’s quite obviously a ridiculous idea. The issue was about the unvaccinated being likely to demand greater NHS resources, should they become infected, than would have been the case had they been vaccinated. At a time when the NHS was already under strain, with waiting lists growing, any avoidable additional strain imposed unnecessarily by people without good reason was selfish. This wasn’t just a theoretical problem. For a time during the roll out of the vaccines the hospital wards that were devoted to Covid patients were full of overwhelmingly unvaccinated people. That people over relaxed as soon as the vaccination programme started and began to ignore the other measures like social distancing and hand washing is another issue completely. One that no doubt will be addressed by the enquiry. I have no doubt that clearer messaging will be given in any new outbreak. That does not excuse the selfish behaviour of the unvaccinated.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The “comic”, apart from not being the least bit funny, is missing the point completely. As it seems so do you and those who rush to agree with you. The issue was never about whether the unvaccinated could infect the vaccinated, or visa versa. That’s quite obviously a ridiculous idea. The issue was about the unvaccinated being likely to demand greater NHS resources, should they become infected, than would have been the case had they been vaccinated. At a time when the NHS was already under strain, with waiting lists growing, any avoidable additional strain imposed unnecessarily by people without good reason was selfish. This wasn’t just a theoretical problem. For a time during the roll out of the vaccines the hospital wards that were devoted to Covid patients were full of overwhelmingly unvaccinated people. That people over relaxed as soon as the vaccination programme started and began to ignore the other measures like social distancing and hand washing is another issue completely. One that no doubt will be addressed by the enquiry. I have no doubt that clearer messaging will be given in any new outbreak. That does not excuse the selfish behaviour of the unvaccinated. Some of whom will spend their entire working life contributing to paying off the debt incurred by closing the country down to protect the NHS. The selfish so-and-so's.
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I made an informed decision to remain unvaccinated for health reasons. My decision affected absolutely no one else. I don't care if you got vaccinated or did not get vaccinated or even got your 12th Booster at the weekend. I fully support anyone's decision.
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The vast majority of people who got covid, whether they were vaccinated or unvaccinated did not require hospital treatment. The government literally built extra hospitals which never even got near to full capacity and indeed were soon used for other treatments. Every single argument this guy uses falls apart at even the slightest scrutiny. Just like his gas appliances.
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
I made an informed decision to remain unvaccinated for health reasons. My decision affected absolutely no one else. I don't care if you got vaccinated or did not get vaccinated or even got your 12th Booster at the weekend. I fully support anyone's decision. Indeed, whatever decision an adult takes on their health is their business and this attempt at shaming people is about as ridiculous as it gets. When it comes to shame this guy should evidently look in the mirror.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Why would it introduce herd immunity any more than catching it? It wouldn’t, but that’s again not the point. The purpose of the vaccines was to protect both against infection by the original virus and against severe disease from the anticipated variants. I remember the lady working at Oxford on what became the AstraZeneca vaccine saying that they were confident their vaccine would continue to protect against severe disease when the mutations began to circulate. She was proved correct. Many of us, vaccinated or not, caught the variants and thus gained some immunity as a consequence. However the unvaccinated were more at risk of severe disease and then tying up NHS resources unnecessary. Now we have reached the point where it looks we will adopt a similar strategy to that we use for flu. Whether it’s enough, time alone will tell.
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