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MonsterMunch Cambridge 14 Feb 21 11.46am
Originally posted by NEILLO Just my opinion, but I don't think that will happen. I see us gaining enough points to stay up with Roy still in charge, and then no new contract offered after that. I agree. However it all depends how long Wilf is out for. If no return is imminent the stats dictate we will not achieve any more points until he does. He’a not the only one but during his tenure with us it’s starkly evident he has not been able to find a solution to Wilf not playing. We barely score without him let alone accumulate any points . Edited by MonsterMunch (14 Feb 2021 11.48am)

MonsterMunch

Cambridge 14 Feb 21 11.46am

Originally posted by NEILLO

Just my opinion, but I don't think that will happen.

I see us gaining enough points to stay up with Roy still in charge, and then no new contract offered after that.

I agree. However it all depends how long Wilf is out for. If no return is imminent the stats dictate we will not achieve any more points until he does. He’a not the only one but during his tenure with us it’s starkly evident he has not been able to find a solution to Wilf not playing. We barely score without him let alone accumulate any points .

Edited by MonsterMunch (14 Feb 2021 11.48am)

PatrickA London 14 Feb 21 11.50am
To those who suggest that Roy critics should find another club to support I have an alternative. They could follow Roy to whichever club he next joins (should this happen) and continue to support him there and leave the rest of us to continue to support Palace.

PatrickA

London 14 Feb 21 11.50am

To those who suggest that Roy critics should find another club to support I have an alternative.
They could follow Roy to whichever club he next joins (should this happen) and continue to support him there and leave the rest of us to continue to support Palace.

taylors lovechild 14 Feb 21 11.52am
Originally posted by Willo Brighton's 'Net spend' under Potter has been nearly £70 Mill. I know they've spent more than us, but they haven't gone mad and will probably pick up a tidy profit if Lamptey moves on that will wipe out a big chunk of that. They have other players that could turn a solid profit too like Bissouma, Mac Allister and Trossard. Thankfully the one thing we still have that they don't is Zaha. On his day he still wipes the floor with any of their players.

taylors lovechild

14 Feb 21 11.52am

Originally posted by Willo

Brighton's 'Net spend' under Potter has been nearly £70 Mill.

I know they've spent more than us, but they haven't gone mad and will probably pick up a tidy profit if Lamptey moves on that will wipe out a big chunk of that. They have other players that could turn a solid profit too like Bissouma, Mac Allister and Trossard. Thankfully the one thing we still have that they don't is Zaha. On his day he still wipes the floor with any of their players.

Cornwall Eagle 14 Feb 21 11.55am
Originally posted by MonsterMunch I agree. However it all depends how long Wilf is out for. If no return is imminent the stats dictate we will not achieve any more points until he does. He’a not the only one but during his tenure with us it’s starkly evident he has not been able to find a solution to Wilf not playing. We barely score without him let alone accumulate any points . Edited by MonsterMunch (14 Feb 2021 11.48am) To balance this all managers from 2015 have not solved this. Partially because we have set teams up to his strengths.

Cornwall Eagle

14 Feb 21 11.55am

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

Edited by MonsterMunch (14 Feb 2021 11.48am)

To balance this all managers from 2015 have not solved this. Partially because we have set teams up to his strengths.

taylors lovechild 14 Feb 21 11.59am
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Yep, I would say interestingly for me the only two satisfying performances this season have been the draws with Leicester and Tottenham, we actually looked like a team in both those games. Man U was great but as mentioned you have to look at them and Leeds we were a tad fortunate but I think we deserved it that day. The rest stinks of fortuitous stumbling through with an ever present threat the luck will run as will the points, let alone any prospect of scoring a goal or keeping them out, and I think Wilfs injury is the realisation of that. I’m inclined to be pessimistic but I really can’t see where we will next pick up points, the manager has proved he does not know how to get anything without Wilf in the team and we look to be falling apart at the seams. I would throw the 0-0 with Arsenal into the hat. It was the one game where the opposition were at full strength, there were no red cards, no dubious VAR decisions and we actually looked the more likely to win. Coincidentally, it was also one of Tomkins's rare appearances. One of the strangest things of the season though is probably that we played just about our best attacking football in the first half of the 0-7 defeat to Liverpool!

taylors lovechild

14 Feb 21 11.59am

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Yep, I would say interestingly for me the only two satisfying performances this season have been the draws with Leicester and Tottenham, we actually looked like a team in both those games. Man U was great but as mentioned you have to look at them and Leeds we were a tad fortunate but I think we deserved it that day.

The rest stinks of fortuitous stumbling through with an ever present threat the luck will run as will the points, let alone any prospect of scoring a goal or keeping them out, and I think Wilfs injury is the realisation of that.

I’m inclined to be pessimistic but I really can’t see where we will next pick up points, the manager has proved he does not know how to get anything without Wilf in the team and we look to be falling apart at the seams.

I would throw the 0-0 with Arsenal into the hat. It was the one game where the opposition were at full strength, there were no red cards, no dubious VAR decisions and we actually looked the more likely to win. Coincidentally, it was also one of Tomkins's rare appearances. One of the strangest things of the season though is probably that we played just about our best attacking football in the first half of the 0-7 defeat to Liverpool!

silvertop Portishead 14 Feb 21 11.59am
Originally posted by NEILLO Just my opinion, but I don't think that will happen. I see us gaining enough points to stay up with Roy still in charge, and then no new contract offered after that. Perhaps that's the point. Maybe this has been confirmed and roy is playing out the season as lame duck. When the person at the top goes demob happy this tends to filter down and contaminate everything.

silvertop

Portishead 14 Feb 21 11.59am

Originally posted by NEILLO

Just my opinion, but I don't think that will happen.

I see us gaining enough points to stay up with Roy still in charge, and then no new contract offered after that.

Perhaps that's the point. Maybe this has been confirmed and roy is playing out the season as lame duck. When the person at the top goes demob happy this tends to filter down and contaminate everything.

Spiderman Horsham 14 Feb 21 12.01pm
Originally posted by taylors lovechild I know they've spent more than us, but they haven't gone mad and will probably pick up a tidy profit if Lamptey moves on that will wipe out a big chunk of that. They have other players that could turn a solid profit too like Bissouma, Mac Allister and Trossard. Thankfully the one thing we still have that they don't is Zaha. On his day he still wipes the floor with any of their players. Rumours about Bissouma Attachment: E3C50276-B68C-400A-8E05-6626079E2A03.png (152.95Kb)

Spiderman

Horsham 14 Feb 21 12.01pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Rumours about Bissouma

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 14 Feb 21 12.04pm
Originally posted by taylors lovechild I would throw the 0-0 with Arsenal into the hat. It was the one game where the opposition were at full strength, there were no red cards, no dubious VAR decisions and we actually looked the more likely to win. Coincidentally, it was also one of Tomkins's rare appearances. One of the strangest things of the season though is probably that we played just about our best attacking football in the first half of the 0-7 defeat to Liverpool! I thought we were a little unfortunate not to win at West Ham.

Rachid Rachid Rachid

14 Feb 21 12.04pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I thought we were a little unfortunate not to win at West Ham.

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 14 Feb 21 12.05pm
Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid I thought we were a little unfortunate not to win at West Ham. Yes I’d add that one in there too Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 14 Feb 21 12.05pm

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

I thought we were a little unfortunate not to win at West Ham.

Yes I’d add that one in there too

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

jeeagles 14 Feb 21 12.06pm
Originally posted by NEILLO Just my opinion, but I don't think that will happen. I see us gaining enough points to stay up with Roy still in charge, and then no new contract offered after that. Many other managers could also get us enough points to get us over the line this season. Why settle for the crap Roy is currently serving up every week until then? Let's give a new guy a chance and give all the players a shot in the arm.

jeeagles

14 Feb 21 12.06pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Just my opinion, but I don't think that will happen.

I see us gaining enough points to stay up with Roy still in charge, and then no new contract offered after that.

Many other managers could also get us enough points to get us over the line this season. Why settle for the crap Roy is currently serving up every week until then?

Let's give a new guy a chance and give all the players a shot in the arm.

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Feb 21 12.13pm
Originally posted by jeeagles Many other managers could also get us enough points to get us over the line this season. Why settle for the crap Roy is currently serving up every week until then? Let's give a new guy a chance and give all the players a shot in the arm. And what new guy would that be ? Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Feb 21 12.13pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Many other managers could also get us enough points to get us over the line this season. Why settle for the crap Roy is currently serving up every week until then?

Let's give a new guy a chance and give all the players a shot in the arm.

And what new guy would that be ?

Old, Ungifted and White

MonsterMunch Cambridge 14 Feb 21 12.18pm
Originally posted by Cornwall Eagle To balance this all managers from 2015 have not solved this. Partially because we have set teams up to his strengths. As I have said he is not the only one. He is however the only present Manager and without knowing the facts most of that record would be under Roy’s tenure I would imagine taking into account he’s the longest serving manager we’ve had in the PL.

MonsterMunch

Cambridge 14 Feb 21 12.18pm

Originally posted by Cornwall Eagle

To balance this all managers from 2015 have not solved this. Partially because we have set teams up to his strengths.

As I have said he is not the only one. He is however the only present Manager and without knowing the facts most of that record would be under Roy’s tenure I would imagine taking into account he’s the longest serving manager we’ve had in the PL.

davehuggins 14 Feb 21 12.19pm
Okay, who is free Rafa? Eddie Howe? Frank Lampard? and?????

davehuggins

14 Feb 21 12.19pm

Okay, who is free Rafa? Eddie Howe? Frank Lampard? and?????

jeeagles 14 Feb 21 12.32pm
Originally posted by NEILLO And what new guy would that be ? Anyone at the moment. I think we should break the bank for Benitez. If not Dyche, Howe, Coleman, Wagner, Franks, Cooper, Freedman, Cahill, Lampard, Terry, Blanc, Parker, Gerrard, Pearson, Shakespeare, Carrick plus loads of others. I know all of them have question marks, but there is an issue that Premier League management jobs go to a small circle of managers with experience but have failed on a number of occasions like Bruce, Hughes, Hodgson, Pullis, Pardew etc. The list of jobs some of them have had are a real slap in the face to other managers who've never been given an opportunity. We've got 29 points. They only need 9 from 14 games. If they are pants swap again at the end of the season and we are in a no worse position that where we currently are. Almost gives us two bites of the cherry to find a replacement if we do it early. Who ever we pick is only likely to last two years before they either get sacked or a bigger club poaches them.

jeeagles

14 Feb 21 12.32pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

And what new guy would that be ?

Anyone at the moment.

I think we should break the bank for Benitez.

If not Dyche, Howe, Coleman, Wagner, Franks, Cooper, Freedman, Cahill, Lampard, Terry, Blanc, Parker, Gerrard, Pearson, Shakespeare, Carrick plus loads of others.

I know all of them have question marks, but there is an issue that Premier League management jobs go to a small circle of managers with experience but have failed on a number of occasions like Bruce, Hughes, Hodgson, Pullis, Pardew etc. The list of jobs some of them have had are a real slap in the face to other managers who've never been given an opportunity.

We've got 29 points. They only need 9 from 14 games. If they are pants swap again at the end of the season and we are in a no worse position that where we currently are.

Almost gives us two bites of the cherry to find a replacement if we do it early. Who ever we pick is only likely to last two years before they either get sacked or a bigger club poaches them.

Putitout Oxford 14 Feb 21 12.38pm
Managers do influence , things , that’s their only real reason for being involved. But they are never in possession of magic powers. Even though some like to think they are. At the end of every situation they are never really in control of what happens on the pitch. Klopp, must be wondering how to get the majgic back right now, Jose, just can’t seem to find the magic switch. The fella at Arsenal, has another group of talent, hardly above average, loads of tactical experience and input. But a team that isn’t up to the job. I have said it before , but Roy should not have stayed so long, it was only ever going to bring him down.

Putitout

Oxford 14 Feb 21 12.38pm

Managers do influence , things , that’s their only real reason for being involved.
But they are never in possession of magic powers. Even though some like to think they are. At the end of every situation they are never really in control of what happens on the pitch.
Klopp, must be wondering how to get the majgic back right now, Jose, just can’t seem to find the magic switch. The fella at Arsenal, has another group of talent, hardly above average, loads of tactical experience and input. But a team that isn’t up to the job. I have said it before , but Roy should not have stayed so long, it was only ever going to bring him down.

Pigglelet Deepest Darkest Sussex 14 Feb 21 12.40pm
Originally posted by NEILLO And what new guy would that be ? With seemingly so few candidates out there for a club in our position and with our resources, that will always be the question when Roy does go. Thankfully that isn’t a decision for us fans. Maybe we ‘ll just hang on to Roy until he chooses to jack it all in or Palace drop so far down the league that it should be easier to find a suitable replacement. And over to Selhurst Park where manager Roy Hodgson celebrates his 90th birthday as Crystal Palace welcome today’s visitors Accrington. "Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt." Mark Twain.

Pigglelet

Deepest Darkest Sussex 14 Feb 21 12.40pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

And what new guy would that be ?

With seemingly so few candidates out there for a club in our position and with our resources, that will always be the question when Roy does go. Thankfully that isn’t a decision for us fans. Maybe we ‘ll just hang on to Roy until he chooses to jack it all in or Palace drop so far down the league that it should be easier to find a suitable replacement.

And over to Selhurst Park where manager Roy Hodgson celebrates his 90th birthday as Crystal Palace welcome today’s visitors Accrington.

"Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."
Mark Twain.

Booted Eagle Bristol 14 Feb 21 12.44pm
Originally posted by jeeagles Anyone at the moment. I think we should break the bank for Benitez. If not Dyche, Howe, Coleman, Wagner, Franks, Cooper, Freedman, Cahill, Lampard, Terry, Blanc, Parker, Gerrard, Pearson, Shakespeare, Carrick plus loads of others. I know all of them have question marks, but there is an issue that Premier League management jobs go to a small circle of managers with experience but have failed on a number of occasions like Bruce, Hughes, Hodgson, Pullis, Pardew etc. The list of jobs some of them have had are a real slap in the face to other managers who've never been given an opportunity. We've got 29 points. They only need 9 from 14 games. If they are pants swap again at the end of the season and we are in a no worse position that where we currently are. Almost gives us two bites of the cherry to find a replacement if we do it early. Who ever we pick is only likely to last two years before they either get sacked or a bigger club poaches them. To new manager or not to new manager that is the question ? “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

Booted Eagle

Bristol 14 Feb 21 12.44pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Anyone at the moment.

I think we should break the bank for Benitez.

If not Dyche, Howe, Coleman, Wagner, Franks, Cooper, Freedman, Cahill, Lampard, Terry, Blanc, Parker, Gerrard, Pearson, Shakespeare, Carrick plus loads of others.

We've got 29 points. They only need 9 from 14 games. If they are pants swap again at the end of the season and we are in a no worse position that where we currently are.

Almost gives us two bites of the cherry to find a replacement if we do it early. Who ever we pick is only likely to last two years before they either get sacked or a bigger club poaches them.

To new manager or not to new manager that is the question ?

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Feb 21 12.47pm
Originally posted by jeeagles Anyone at the moment. I think we should break the bank for Benitez. If not Dyche, Howe, Coleman, Wagner, Franks, Cooper, Freedman, Cahill, Lampard, Terry, Blanc, Parker, Gerrard, Pearson, Shakespeare, Carrick plus loads of others. I know all of them have question marks, but there is an issue that Premier League management jobs go to a small circle of managers with experience but have failed on a number of occasions like Bruce, Hughes, Hodgson, Pullis, Pardew etc. The list of jobs some of them have had are a real slap in the face to other managers who've never been given an opportunity. We've got 29 points. They only need 9 from 14 games. If they are pants swap again at the end of the season and we are in a no worse position that where we currently are. Almost gives us two bites of the cherry to find a replacement if we do it early. Who ever we pick is only likely to last two years before they either get sacked or a bigger club poaches them. Well I think Hodgson can deliver the points we need and my guess is that Parish thinks so too. Last thing we need, and I really don't see it happening, is to make change managers twice. I don't think the majority of the names you propose are realistic in many cases. I would say more than just question marks ! Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Feb 21 12.47pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Anyone at the moment.

I think we should break the bank for Benitez.

If not Dyche, Howe, Coleman, Wagner, Franks, Cooper, Freedman, Cahill, Lampard, Terry, Blanc, Parker, Gerrard, Pearson, Shakespeare, Carrick plus loads of others.

We've got 29 points. They only need 9 from 14 games. If they are pants swap again at the end of the season and we are in a no worse position that where we currently are.

Almost gives us two bites of the cherry to find a replacement if we do it early. Who ever we pick is only likely to last two years before they either get sacked or a bigger club poaches them.

Well I think Hodgson can deliver the points we need and my guess is that Parish thinks so too.

Last thing we need, and I really don't see it happening, is to make change managers twice.

I don't think the majority of the names you propose are realistic in many cases. I would say more than just question marks !

Old, Ungifted and White

jeeagles 14 Feb 21 12.52pm
Originally posted by NEILLO Well I think Hodgson can deliver the points we need and my guess is that Parish thinks so too. Last thing we need, and I really don't see it happening, is to make change managers twice. I don't think the majority of the names you propose are realistic in many cases. I would say more than just question marks ! There are question marks, but no more so than Roy.

jeeagles

14 Feb 21 12.52pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Well I think Hodgson can deliver the points we need and my guess is that Parish thinks so too.

Last thing we need, and I really don't see it happening, is to make change managers twice.

I don't think the majority of the names you propose are realistic in many cases. I would say more than just question marks !

There are question marks, but no more so than Roy.

southnorwoodhill 14 Feb 21 12.55pm
Shakespeare would make an excellent manager, that speech in Henry V is the stuff of legend! Compare that to some duffer going on about an astronaut and a monkey.

southnorwoodhill

14 Feb 21 12.55pm

Shakespeare would make an excellent manager, that speech in Henry V is the stuff of legend!
Compare that to some duffer going on about an astronaut and a monkey.

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