Apparently, because of the extremely dangerous situation and some fans fear of violence, lack of access to adequate resources , third world conditions and threat to life, the Ukrainians have asked that the match not be played in Scotland.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

I suspect posters are in line with you on that. However, if the reason he gave for invading can also be challenged as rubbish, does it not make Putin's position even weaker?

I haven't really commented on this fixation with Nazis in the Ukraine or surrounding regions because I mainly see it as a distraction used for propaganda purposes. As has been stated, the real reasons for this war far exceed these distractions.

It's all perception and emotional management. It ignores the reality of war that is, outside of the professional armies, mostly the people who stick around to fight will be the nationalists, you will get about one third of other sections of single men on the right and about that on the far left....probably less actually.

To the extent of Russian propaganda, it's true that they go heavily on the Nazi angle. It's certainly true that the base for the Azov regiment is in Mariupol and so that's the city getting the Nato/Syrian air treatment at the moment. But in my view that's because Mariupol is where a lot of the determined, fight to the death, résistance is. Other cities still have electricity and water....this obvious deduction seems to be omitted in the media.

Most people won't stick around to fight and most will give (insert excuse). Some of those reasons will be valid, protecting your wife and kids for example but the reality is that most will ultimately not see the nation as worth their lives against an highly equipped invading force.

In my experience of the dissident right, the number of actual neo nazis is small, but they are highly committed and so end up being prominent. This is the same on the left as well.....but even though their most committed are running institutions and have actual power they don't get anything like the same level of focus....in fact they are praised as the mainstream.

What is a neo nazi today?....I thought the main identifier of a Nazi was Jew hatred wasn't it? Yet here we have the Azov regiment fighting and dying for a Jewish leader. I think there's a lack of self reflection by many on the difference between propaganda and demonisation and what reality really is....Here they are dying for their country yet all those on the left and right cheering them on would be fine with them being persecuted in normal life, having their bank accounts shut down and ostracized and no representation.

I don't agree with neo Nazi philosophy, most of which, in the UK, I consider larping and role playing. I don't see it as anything like what we need for social conservatism....I'm not interested in punishing people and think there needs to be a far larger coalition against our real enemies.....which is unaccountable globalistic control by elites....those who pay no price for getting anything wrong. After that I'd be far happier to go back to the kind of society we had in the seventies/eighties.....cultural conservatism with a small 'c', that allowed everyone to say and think whatever they wanted regardless of their politics.....If you want to be a tranny fine but keep it to your community and you don't get trannies school library hour with kids and we don't treat obvious mental illness as normalised behaviour..

Personally, I was partly red pilled by a Jewish lawyer going under the pseudonym 'Frame Games'. But those in opposition rarely concern themselves with nuance and assume everyone's motives are the same if they have issues with the great replacement and the direction social liberalism has taken......The kind of people in the Ukraine won't have those considerations.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2022 11.29am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I wouldn't disagree with the idea that Zelensky isn't the first choice of Azov, but then again they seem to be more spoken about than speak themselves....Anyway, while I support Zelensky as the focal point of resistance against the Russians he doesn't seem to be quite as fair as presented. I hear that before this war he shut down three newspapers, arrested the main opposition leader and hasn't he just shut down all opposition parties and broadcasters? Maybe there is some justification during war but I wouldn't say that I'm fully convinced from what I've heard....but as I keep being told maybe that's 'Russian propaganda'. Don't know.

However, the Azov are fighting and dying for Ukraine, that tends to be what nationalists of any stripe do. So I regard this idea that there can be no peace afterwards a rather ungenerous one. Perhaps once some kind of peace resolution in Ukraine is found...which I hope and figuratively pray for. Then rather than pointless civil wars a far more colligate approach will be formed.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2022 12.36pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Yes, it's important to be sensitive to the situation. The Ukrainian people have already been through enough..