I take your point hoof but the truth is 'do you want free trade or immigration' because they are are intrinsically linked even if we have brexit as EFTA also demands freedom of labour (degree of which is agreement dependent.) If you are arguing for economic isolation ( i would admire your honesty if you were) then history tells us e.g Devalera's ireland)that we would enter severe economic decline.
Some of the right wing press may print daily stories of our public services being under pressure but the truth is they have always been, but if the economy declines it will get a lot worse. Additionally it seems to me they are trying to spread fear - i went to school during the Thatcher years where class sizes were hitting 40 per class (now limited to 30), but fear of scarcity is good to sell newspapers but can be very misleading in this economic debate.
I wont get into a comparison of political figures ad this usually degenerates into tribalism but just wanted to point out that the political mavericks i have mentioned havnt had a glorious eceonomic past -although i take your point that gordon brown is also tainted by his market timing on gold.

Fck me thats a lot of dosh.What do we get for that ?

So if we get out what do we do with all these billions that were saving ?

I think calling UKIP far right is unfair. They're really to the right of the conservative party, but they're not the far or hard right - Though some people who vote for them maybe.

Its like labelling Corbyn's Labour party far left. Its not, its just more left wing than tradition. It is not the Socialist Party, SWP, Workers Libertine etc.

They're not Britain First, EDL or the BNP, which are groups traditionally identified as Far Right - These are groups that traditionally have their origins in a kind of neo-Fascism, similar to how the far left parties are neo-Marxist.

UKIP are a democratic party, arguably when you get to the far left and right, the democratic system is really seen more as a means to an ideological end (more or less).

Whilst I don't support UKIP, calling them far right is an unfair association to groups that really are.

I am an economist myself and i disagree slightly with the first statement although i do see gdp being reduced by approximately 0.5% per annum in the event of brexit which could tip us into recession, in a low growth environment. I am however much more bearish on sterling and can see it dropping to around 1.10.

We don't have to go it alone though.

We are already forging links with China and India but currently with EU interference. How do you think we coped before 1975?
We joined the "Common Market" a trading platform between like minded and reasonably even countries in terms of economic clout. Now we are in political union with countries like Greece bleeding us dry and Brussels imposing all sorts of bureaucratic hurdles and hoops.

You are seriously underplaying the effects on our infrastructure with your casual statements above!

Housing at crisis point and getting worse as demand increases. Building houses doesn't solve any problems as you need roads, schools, GP surgeries, hospitals, shops etc etc.

Where are we going to build these new communities to cope with the increased population? Green belt/farming land?

If we do then we need to replace that loss of food production with more imports not to mention potentially increasing the likelihoods of flood as we remove more land to soak up rainwater.

Very soon our water supply will be affected and some places will have drought whilst others flood.

Increasing our population carries more potentially damaging unknowns than worrying about our economy.

I didnt think my comments were casual and i do see the strain on resources, the most pressing of which is housing. We need to build a lot more and that doesnt mean i want to build in the green belt. The Ruhr region of Germany is much more densely populated but they have sufficient housing because they had a coherant housing policy.....and even if murdoch and desmond have managed to scare the bejaysus out of you this country has never had a better health service, education standards or economy although all need to be improved and continual investment. Dont believe everything the Mail tells you, cos just like a soap opera, they just want to keep you addicted to bad news.
It does make me grimace when i hear brexit supporters talk about opening free trade with China and India ....i.e have new free trade agreemts (and therefore new immigrants if you remember that free trade implies freedom of labour movement) when they dont like the ones we have already because of a misleading assumption that we are part of a federal political strucure...

And china & india will negotiate with the eu, they wouldnt bother with a little island economy like us in the event of brexit. ...i guess we will just have to agree to differ

What !

We are the 5th biggest economy in the world ! We are NOT some "Little Island" as you put it.

In fact a couple of months ago it was reported that Britain will reach the "giddy" heights of the fourth largest economy in the world, leapfrogging Germany and Japan over the next two decades, new analysis shows.

Edited by Willo (25 Feb 2016 12.31pm)

Might have been relevant even 20 years ago, the world is far more connected than that these days.

What !

We are the 5th biggest economy in the world ! We are NOT some "Little Island" as you put it.

In fact a couple of months ago it was reported that Britain will reach the "giddy" heights of the fourth largest economy in the world, leapfrogging Germany and Japan over the next two decades, new analysis shows.

Edited by Willo (25 Feb 2016 12.31pm)