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 Mapletree  Croydon 25 Jun 16 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
These are my concerns. The German economy would have much more to lose by the EU falling apart at the seams than it would be sending a message to other nations that life outside of the EU is fine and dandy. Power in numbers. They will perhaps all be wiling to take a medium sized hit in exchange for a dramtic effect on us. If we lose access to the single market or have tarrifs coming out of our ears germany will become Europes trading centre, so it's win - win for them to give us a hard time. Obama has reaffirmed his view that we are at the back of the queue. It's a view that makes sense surely since we stop being the convenient european single market access point we once were. It's in their interest to have a strong EU and so we can expect a transfer of empahsis to those nations. Will it be the end of the world for us? No life goes on either way but i fear our economy will take a huge long term big hit and I also dont think its realistic to imagine that immigration will drops to tens of thousands either, so the entire reason for voting out for many could prove to be pointless. Nothing would make be happier than to me wrong and for us long term to have control of numbers coming in and a strong economy so of course i just that i'm wrong and it works out for future generations. Like everyone really i dont know what will happen, these are just my concerns. Edited by blackpalacefan (25 Jun 2016 1.58pm) Very well put We may get some deals but at the same time the EU will be doing its best to marginalise us and bring activity inside the EU The City of London will definitely lose out to Frankfurt for example.
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| chris123 hove actually 25 Jun 16 2.24pm |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
The vote was very close so its a split nation. Now that we're going out we'll have to see how it goes as the democratic process has played out. Its very uncertain times so i hope that it works out for all. Namely that we get controls on immigration but the economy isnt hit terribly in the long run. im unsure that either of those will end of reflecting what the public want. Not that close in England, 53.2% leave and 46.8% stay. Edited by chris123 (25 Jun 2016 2.33pm)
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| blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 2.29pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Not that close in England, 53.2% leave and 48.8% stay. 102%? What a great turn out! I'm just saying that the nation is very much split down the middle. We voted leave so we should leave im just worried about the future thats all.
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| chris123 hove actually 25 Jun 16 2.34pm |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
102%? What a great turn out! I'm just saying that the nation is very much split down the middle. We voted leave so we should leave im just worried about the future thats all. Typo - should have been 46.8%! Apologies!!
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| blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 2.37pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Typo - should have been 46.8%! Apologies!! No worries mate was good to have a bit of comic relief!
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. | nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 2.37pm |
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This made me chuckle
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Attachment:  Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jun 16 2.43pm |
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Hmmm! Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (25 Jun 2016 2.44pm) Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (25 Jun 2016 2.46pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 Jun 16 2.55pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
This is the same reaction to the decision not to ditch the pound and go with the EUro. "Oh God Help Us.... We'll be in the economic slow lane, whilst the Eurozone will be thriving and leaving us behind.... we cannot go it alone... financial madness to persevere with Sterling whilst the Germans etc adopt the Euro... Blah Blah" Tell us what happened Maple? I'll tell you what happened, our economy positively boomed against the pathetic Eurozone economy. Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland nearly went bankrupt. Your children should thank me, not despise me. They will now possibly be able to afford to buy a house in the future (like I did as a 23 tear old in 1977). Under the EU, pressure on demand for housing by unfettered immigration has caused house prices to spiral upwards out of control. Under the EU your children would never be able to buy a house. I voted leave for my family's children, nothing more nothing less. I didn't expect to make money from Brexit, but due to my education I am savvy and quick witted and can make the most out of the cards dealt to me. Stop whingeing, start living. And stop frightening your kids you bully. It is my kids that are frightening me Hoof, I don't think you are keeping up. I am listening to them, it's a shame more people don't do that. Lucky old you, you bought a house when is was worth 1/21st of the current value. You won't find many 23 year olds now that will be able to buy a house, and fewer in the future. You seem to imply that EU immigration is the major driver for house price inflation which of course is completely wrong. Migration is to blame but that is complex. London's economic growth has been greater than the rest of the country, reductionism won't cut it with me although of course I am only a student and not a master. Edited by Mapletree (25 Jun 2016 2.55pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jun 16 3.02pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
It is my kids that are frightening me Hoof, I don't think you are keeping up. I am listening to them, it's a shame more people don't do that. Lucky old you, you bought a house when is was worth 1/21st of the current value. You won't find many 23 year olds now that will be able to buy a house, and fewer in the future. You seem to imply that EU immigration is the major driver for house price inflation which of course is completely wrong. Migration is to blame but that is complex. London's economic growth has been greater than the rest of the country, reductionism won't cut it with me although of course I am only a student and not a master. Edited by Mapletree (25 Jun 2016 2.55pm) Why would you take advice from a 17 year old? As a father you make the best decisions you can for your kids. When 40 million people have to make that decision then you have to accept the majority veiw.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 3.11pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Why would you take advice from a 17 year old? As a father you make the best decisions you can for your kids. When 40 million people have to make that decision then you have to accept the majority veiw. Had the margin between leave and remain votes been wider I think people would have taken it with better grace. It's a shame that some leavers and remainers could have been more magnanimous. As it is I think we need to wait a few more days before people calm down a bit.
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| blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 3.13pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Why would you take advice from a 17 year old? As a father you make the best decisions you can for your kids. When 40 million people have to make that decision then you have to accept the majority veiw. Youre right of course else what is the point of the vote to begin with. lets not forget though that when the vote looked not to be going his way Mr Farage was already talking of a possible second referendum if the result was close, so its a quite natural response when people narrowly miss out of getting their own way. Edited by blackpalacefan (25 Jun 2016 3.14pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 Jun 16 3.16pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Why would you take advice from a 17 year old? As a father you make the best decisions you can for your kids. When 40 million people have to make that decision then you have to accept the majority veiw. I have three children. I take advice from them on a daily basis. I have more Degrees than them and more experience, they also listen to me. I am not Victorian, you may be. I do not have to accept the majority view, I may have to abide by it. I will continue to fail to accept that the view was made with a full understanding of the consequences. I will do all I can to limit the damage this decision has created/will increasingly create.
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Kermit8  Hevon 25 Jun 16 3.16pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Why would you take advice from a 17 year old? As a father you make the best decisions you can for your kids. When 40 million people have to make that decision then you have to accept the majority veiw. No you don't. Accept what you can't change but never bow down to what you think is patently misguided and needs scrutiny. As a father I made the best decision i could for my kids. Remain.
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| blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 3.17pm |
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what do people make of Daniel Hannans softning on freedom of movement? i feel that people will read into it what they wish but it certainly doesnt rule out bringing in huge numbers of workers fro the eu. he appears keen to stay in the single market with all of the eu responsibilities that brings. not exactly what brexiters voted for. some are unhappy at his comments
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 Jun 16 3.18pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Had the margin between leave and remain votes been wider I think people would have taken it with better grace. It's a shame that some leavers and remainers could have been more magnanimous. As it is I think we need to wait a few more days before people calm down a bit. What does that mean? That I must change my view to match to the majority? I don't blame most people for their views, I simply don't share them. I do think some people hold their views for selfish reasons however.
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| Rubin 25 Jun 16 3.23pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
It is my kids that are frightening me Hoof, I don't think you are keeping up. I am listening to them, it's a shame more people don't do that. Lucky old you, you bought a house when is was worth 1/21st of the current value. You won't find many 23 year olds now that will be able to buy a house, and fewer in the future. You seem to imply that EU immigration is the major driver for house price inflation which of course is completely wrong. Migration is to blame but that is complex. London's economic growth has been greater than the rest of the country, reductionism won't cut it with me although of course I am only a student and not a master. Edited by Mapletree (25 Jun 2016 2.55pm) Could you even begin to imagine a world where everything was decided and dictated by 17 year olds? Please remember that it's likely they've just come through an education system where they will have been taught that the EU is purely a positive thing. That doesn't mean they're right. Do you not think that leaving the EU is the best way to make purchasing a property affordable again? If not, can you suggest how prices would have ever been brought down if we'd carry on the way we were? I think your kids will be very happy with the decision that's been made in the future. I decided to vote leave for the sake of my six month year old.
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 Jun 16 3.38pm |
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Originally posted by Rubin
Could you even begin to imagine a world where everything was decided and dictated by 17 year olds? Please remember that it's likely they've just come through an education system where they will have been taught that the EU is purely a positive thing. That doesn't mean they're right. Do you not think that leaving the EU is the best way to make purchasing a property affordable again? If not, can you suggest how prices would have ever been brought down if we'd carry on the way we were? I think your kids will be very happy with the decision that's been made in the future. I decided to vote leave for the sake of my six month year old. 17 year olds have the happy knack of asking questions Rubin. They have a right to their views, which are often well informed. Social media can help this, albeit needs to be treated with caution. But only one of my children is 17. If you read my thread I spoke of my children not just one child. The reasons for the high price of property are multiple but not especially driven by EU immigration. There is, for example, an enormous bank of unused building land in London that is being stockpiled by speculators. There has also been speculation, mainly by Russian and Middle Eastern buyers, on houses themselves. And London has 10 times as many job vacancies as the other large cities in the UK, drawing people to it. My children will not be happy with the decision that has been taken, of that both they and I are quite sure. Let's hope we can keep the damage to the minimum.
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| nhp61 Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 25 Jun 16 3.46pm |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
Youre right of course else what is the point of the vote to begin with. lets not forget though that when the vote looked not to be going his way Mr Farage was already talking of a possible second referendum if the result was close, so its a quite natural response when people narrowly miss out of getting their own way. Edited by blackpalacefan (25 Jun 2016 3.14pm) Over a million have signed an online petition calling for a second referendum. That might be EU style democracy, when they were ordering Ireland to revote because the first result of their referendum was not to their liking, but it won't happen here. The Remainers lost, by over 1.2 million votes, and they will have to accept that. Being made to hold a rerun is just not democratic, and would cause even more uncertainty. What if a second referendum still ends up with Leave in the majority, will the Remain camp demand yet even more referendums until they get result they want? No chance. Likewise, if the Remainers had won, Farage would just have had to take it on the chin, and accept the people had chosen, and not demand a rerun.
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