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EddieMac Flag 15 Feb 21 11.25am

Originally posted by Spiderman

I will throw another name in the hat of possible replacements, Roger Schmidt of PSV. A manager in the mould of Hussenhuttl. High pressing, fast attacking. Job at PSV may be in doubt. This is the sort of person we should be looking at but, of course, he needs the right type of players. Gallagher anyone?

Edited by Spiderman (15 Feb 2021 10.32am)

Is this the same Hassenhuttl who over the last few years has faired no better than our beloved Roy?

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Feb 21 11.29am

Originally posted by Spiderman

TBF Guiata was totally blocked off, legally apparently for the header. If Dann does not have the mobility RH shouldn’t have picked him. I agree about the performances although Brighton at home is right up there.
I am not sure if we will stay up. If we do next season could be very long.

My view is that Guaita had to be far more assertive in that situation.All-in-all it was an awful goal to concede.

Apropos Dann, I suspect that he wouldn't have played if Tomkins was fit.Both Dann and Cahill have been found wanting this season, both in the 'Twilight' of their careers.

 

EddieMac Flag 15 Feb 21 11.31am

Originally posted by Spiderman

TBF Guiata was totally blocked off, legally apparently for the header. If Dann does not have the mobility RH shouldn’t have picked him. I agree about the performances although Brighton at home is right up there.
I am not sure if we will stay up. If we do next season could be very long.

I think the blinkers need to come off for most regarding Guita. I always rated him but the more I watch him I think he needs to be dropped. I said yesterday that he is a big reason we get battered under crosses, he stays rooted to his line and every team knows this, his shot stopping is his only plus.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 15 Feb 21 11.33am

Originally posted by EddieMac


Is this the same Hassenhuttl who over the last few years has faired no better than our beloved Roy?

Are we in the quarter finals of the FA Cup then?

 

PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 15 Feb 21 11.55am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Are we in the quarter finals of the FA Cup then?

No but neither have we just lost five league games in a row like Southampton.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Feb 21 11.57am

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

No but neither have we just lost five league games in a row like Southampton.

Southampton have lost 6 games in succession in the PL, the first time in their history.
They are also the team who have dropped most points from a winning position in the PL this season - a total of 16 pts.

Edited by Willo (15 Feb 2021 12.00pm)

 

EddieMac Flag 15 Feb 21 11.58am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Are we in the quarter finals of the FA Cup then?

On the balance of 3 seasons Hassenhuttl is not much better than Roy.

 

PatrickA Flag London 15 Feb 21 12.02pm

For those with short memories Roy lost 7 in a row last season.
Of course it’s also possible Southampton could lose the next two as well to equal Roy’s feat.
Not sure it’s a competition they will be keen to win.

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Feb 21 12.04pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

For those with short memories Roy lost 7 in a row last season.
Of course it’s also possible Southampton could lose the next two as well to equal Roy’s feat.
Not sure it’s a competition they will be keen to win.

I doubt they will. We will though.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Feb 21 12.06pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

For those with short memories Roy lost 7 in a row last season.
Of course it’s also possible Southampton could lose the next two as well to equal Roy’s feat.
Not sure it’s a competition they will be keen to win.

Indeed we lost 7 PL games in succession after Lockdown but perhaps the fact that we had attained sufficient points could have been a factor and/or the fixture congestion affecting players in the 'Twilight' of their careers.

 

Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 15 Feb 21 12.13pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

Hodgson has done the job I would expect him to do with the resources available; in the same way as Pardew and Allardyce before him.
Pulis was the true miracle worker when you consider the available resources for him in our first year after promotion.
He will never be seen in the same light as Hodgson because of the way he departed and also because he wasn’t born in Croydon.
But it’s difficult to draw any other conclusion from an objective analysis of the squad he worked with compared with the squads his successors worked with.
Oh.. and he worked on defensive and offensive set pieces.
If management is defined as provision of leadership and making best use of available resources can people seriously say Hodgson has excelled in these areas over the past year?
We look rudderless and it’s time for a change at the end of the season.

I was thinking the same the other day. After Ollie's sweet shop raid in the transfer market with the likes of Kebe and Marange, the players that got us promoted without Wilf scrapped for their lives under him. Think there was a realisation that it was going to be a hard slog just to stay up that they really put in a shift. Doesn't seem to be anything like this around the club at the moment. Hopefully results like at Goodison last night might induce a few players to up their games.

 


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PatrickA Flag London 15 Feb 21 12.20pm

Always excuses for Hodgson.
Can there not be a simple acknowledgement that his management has been found wanting this season?
I respected the job he did in his first season as I respected Luka’s performances as captain also back then.
I don’t have respect for either of their performances this season.
Football evolves and neither have been good enough in the past year.
I hope next season we have both a new manager and captain.
This is not a knee jerk reaction to a couple of defeats.
A result against Brighton won’t mask the deficiencies and will do little other than papering over the cracks.

 

Putitout Flag Oxford 15 Feb 21 12.51pm

There is absolutely no question that things could be better with Palace. But that applies to one degree or another up and down this league, and all of the others that make up the football league.
Most common response sack manager,. He has lost team, doesn’t have a clue after years in the game,.This failure is better than ours for some reason, etc, etc,.
Usual result several changes of manager if not a relegation, flirting with one, or even getting more than one relegation.
All to often , tha actual records of other candidates are inferior, or no better than the man you have.
In our case people say Hodgson, should play one potential failure for another if things are going badly,, always after the event.
I say potential failure, simply because this squad have all failed at various times . There is hardly a player even including those out injured that has not been found wanting on to many occasions . Even for substitutions, if the choice, and it often is, to bring on some one that has been crap for weeks it’s no wonder the judgement is it will not change events.
The last two games were woeful, but we were missing at least four of our most reliable players. And it is sadly only to clear we don’t possess to many of those. We had won two of our last four games. We do have 29 points, And with the right people fit Hodgson knows how to win games. He has proved that time and again.
Next year the club has to make its mind up as to not only where it wants to be but how to get there, and quiet frankly if it’s to be much above where it’s been for four years, then it must include the finances to hire a top manager , or top prospective manager, and the resources to attain the class of player all top managers require.
If anyone wants to seriously consider how this works, and how difficult it is to make it work, just look down the A23. Or in a close to the worse scenario , Nottingham Forest, manager after manager , net result not much , presently in the hands of an old campaigner often sacked for not entertaining the masses.

Edited by Putitout (15 Feb 2021 1.23pm)

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Feb 21 12.51pm

Originally posted by EddieMac

Is this the same Hassenhuttl who over the last few years has faired no better than our beloved Roy?

Possibly no better but debatable. Which team would you prefer to watch though?

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 15 Feb 21 1.35pm

Originally posted by EddieMac

Is this the same Hassenhuttl who over the last few years has faired no better than our beloved Roy?

So because one fan considers a coach to be in the same mould as Hassenhuttl, it is appropriate to compare Schmidt to Southampton’s recent results? I’ve seen tenuous connections and reasons not to take someone on before, but this has to take the biscuit.

 

jeeagles Flag 15 Feb 21 1.58pm

Originally posted by Booted Eagle

I was thinking the same the other day. After Ollie's sweet shop raid in the transfer market with the likes of Kebe and Marange, the players that got us promoted without Wilf scrapped for their lives under him. Think there was a realisation that it was going to be a hard slog just to stay up that they really put in a shift. Doesn't seem to be anything like this around the club at the moment. Hopefully results like at Goodison last night might induce a few players to up their games.

What Pulis did was truly amazing. Especially by finishing 11th. Roy only matched that achievement once, with a far better squad and more games. By comparison, this miracle that tickled pink trolls on about is a clear fabrication.

Pulis also had to deal with an aging squad. Jedinak, Delaney, and Gabbidon where no spring chickens.

Unfortunately for us Pulis and Alladyce showed an ambision that Roy never has, they wanted to achieve something more than just survival and Parish or the business didn't have the resources to back them so they walked.

I'm not conviced the club hasn't had the resources to make a marquee signing over the past few years. Parish has shown he's willing to spend if the club has the money, but Hodgson knows that if he spends big, there will be an expectation to deliver.

Hodgson just wants to get his money grabbing figures on his £4.5m a year and will do the bare minimum to get it. Success isn't something he has shown to crave or desire. He hasn't shown an interest in transfers or building for the future. He passes the buck for signings onto Freedman and won't play youngsters. He's been here 4 years, succession planning of an aging group of players is down to him as much as it is anyone else.

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 15 Feb 21 2.08pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

What Pulis did was truly amazing. Especially by finishing 11th. Roy only matched that achievement once, with a far better squad and more games. By comparison, this miracle that tickled pink trolls on about is a clear fabrication.

Pulis also had to deal with an aging squad. Jedinak, Delaney, and Gabbidon where no spring chickens.

Unfortunately for us Pulis and Alladyce showed an ambision that Roy never has, they wanted to achieve something more than just survival and Parish or the business didn't have the resources to back them so they walked.

I'm not conviced the club hasn't had the resources to make a marquee signing over the past few years. Parish has shown he's willing to spend if the club has the money, but Hodgson knows that if he spends big, there will be an expectation to deliver.

Hodgson just wants to get his money grabbing figures on his £4.5m a year and will do the bare minimum to get it. Success isn't something he has shown to crave or desire. He hasn't shown an interest in transfers or building for the future. He passes the buck for signings onto Freedman and won't play youngsters. He's been here 4 years, succession planning of an aging group of players is down to him as much as it is anyone else.

Very well said.

 

Putitout Flag Oxford 15 Feb 21 2.19pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

What Pulis did was truly amazing. Especially by finishing 11th. Roy only matched that achievement once, with a far better squad and more games. By comparison, this miracle that tickled pink trolls on about is a clear fabrication.

Pulis also had to deal with an aging squad. Jedinak, Delaney, and Gabbidon where no spring chickens.

Unfortunately for us Pulis and Alladyce showed an ambision that Roy never has, they wanted to achieve something more than just survival and Parish or the business didn't have the resources to back them so they walked.

I'm not conviced the club hasn't had the resources to make a marquee signing over the past few years. Parish has shown he's willing to spend if the club has the money, but Hodgson knows that if he spends big, there will be an expectation to deliver.

Hodgson just wants to get his money grabbing figures on his £4.5m a year and will do the bare minimum to get it. Success isn't something he has shown to crave or desire. He hasn't shown an interest in transfers or building for the future. He passes the buck for signings onto Freedman and won't play youngsters. He's been here 4 years, succession planning of an aging group of players is down to him as much as it is anyone else.


Didn’t fancy another go though once he knew the cheque book was shut. Did he?
It’s not comparable, Pulis cashed his checks, as did Fat Sam, Hodgson didn’t he has roughed it out . If he was a bit younger, he would almost certainly followed the others and saved some reputation.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Feb 21 2.23pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

What Pulis did was truly amazing. Especially by finishing 11th. Roy only matched that achievement once, with a far better squad and more games. By comparison, this miracle that tickled pink trolls on about is a clear fabrication.

Pulis also had to deal with an aging squad. Jedinak, Delaney, and Gabbidon where no spring chickens.

Unfortunately for us Pulis and Alladyce showed an ambision that Roy never has, they wanted to achieve something more than just survival and Parish or the business didn't have the resources to back them so they walked.

I'm not conviced the club hasn't had the resources to make a marquee signing over the past few years. Parish has shown he's willing to spend if the club has the money, but Hodgson knows that if he spends big, there will be an expectation to deliver.

Hodgson just wants to get his money grabbing figures on his £4.5m a year and will do the bare minimum to get it. Success isn't something he has shown to crave or desire. He hasn't shown an interest in transfers or building for the future. He passes the buck for signings onto Freedman and won't play youngsters. He's been here 4 years, succession planning of an aging group of players is down to him as much as it is anyone else.

With respect we are 'On the opposite sides of the house' on this matter.

Mr Hodgson's objective has been to ensure we stay in the PL and thus far he has delivered within tight financial parameters.

In relation to blooding youngsters he did bring AWB into the team and he has added £50 Mill to our coffers ! Furthermore, Tyrick Mitchell has been given his chance.
The notion that we have an abundance of young players 'Knocking on the door' is fanciful and one can understand why Mr Hodgson has relied on his tried and trusted players given the 'Terms of reference' under which he works.

I refer back to my comments concerning an aged squad not being replaced by younger, more vibrant players.

 

jeeagles Flag 15 Feb 21 2.29pm

Originally posted by Putitout


Didn’t fancy another go though once he knew the cheque book was shut. Did he?
It’s not comparable, Pulis cashed his checks, as did Fat Sam, Hodgson didn’t he has roughed it out . If he was a bit younger, he would almost certainly followed the others and saved some reputation.

Pulis and BFS had futures and were sought after. If we are using the prefix of Fat then I'm back to calling the geriatrics Woy.

Woy knows he has no future after us and is milking supporters for his pension.

 

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