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Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 23 Jan 21 11.01pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Going nowhere at the moment is good. Especially if it's not down.

 

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Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 23 Jan 21 11.29pm Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Going nowhere at the moment is good. Especially if it's not down.

As has been the situation for the best part of 8 years. Seriously, is that the limit of your expectations?

For 8 seasons our objective has been to retain a place in the PL. I've been OK with that to a degree. I just wonder if that is the most we can ever hope for? Probably it is. Fcuking miserable though don't you think?

 


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Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 23 Jan 21 11.36pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Not half as miserable as watching us continually fail to beat Shrewsbury in front of 5,000 fans.

When we beat United second game of the season there were people bitching on here and still going on about the post lockdown run. That's not the manager or clubs fault.

 

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Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 23 Jan 21 11.39pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Dyche was interviewed - he wouldn't come even if we wanted him.

That's pretty much what I was told.

 

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jeeagles Flag 24 Jan 21 8.25am

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Well he resigned straight after the game which would suggest he felt some degree of responsibility.

Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (23 Jan 2021 10.38pm)

Do you really think he resigned out of his own free will?

He is a national embarrassment and had there was no way he was going to keep his job as England manager. He knew he was going to get sacked and ripped appart by the media, rightly so on both counts too. Jumped before he was pushed.

If he had any dignity he'd have left after the first round world cup exit.

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"I don't have any intention to resign," said Hodgson, 66. "I've been really happy with the way the players have responded to the work we've done."

Hodgson saying he was happy - despite our worst ever word cup performance. Out in the first round after two games, then drawing with Costa Rica.

Edited by jeeagles (24 Jan 2021 8.25am)

 

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MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 24 Jan 21 9.40am Send a Private Message to MonsterMunch Add MonsterMunch as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Not half as miserable as watching us continually fail to beat Shrewsbury in front of 5,000 fans.

When we beat United second game of the season there were people bitching on here and still going on about the post lockdown run. That's not the manager or clubs fault.

Times moves on and Shrewsbury at home was a different era. I think that’s the crux of the two camps of palace fans those happy to settle for what we currently have and those that want to see the club at least have a plan or strategy of how it wants to keep moving forward. 8 seasons in the premier league and we are still so stagnant with no obvious steps forward apart from the academy which is fantastic. If we go down what have we got to show for for the circa £1B come through the coffers?

I know there has to be a sense of realism of where we and what we are and have sensible and attainable expectations but if this is al we can aspire to then what’s the point of it all. Roy is only part of the problem.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Jan 21 10.07am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

Times moves on and Shrewsbury at home was a different era. I think that’s the crux of the two camps of palace fans those happy to settle for what we currently have and those that want to see the club at least have a plan or strategy of how it wants to keep moving forward. 8 seasons in the premier league and we are still so stagnant with no obvious steps forward apart from the academy which is fantastic. If we go down what have we got to show for for the circa £1B come through the coffers?

I know there has to be a sense of realism of where we and what we are and have sensible and attainable expectations but if this is al we can aspire to then what’s the point of it all. Roy is only part of the problem.

There might be a significant amount of our supporters who believe that Mr Hodgson having met his objectives and kept us in the PL for successive seasons should not be referred to in terms that assert he is part of a "Problem".

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 24 Jan 21 10.23am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

Times moves on and Shrewsbury at home was a different era. I think that’s the crux of the two camps of palace fans those happy to settle for what we currently have and those that want to see the club at least have a plan or strategy of how it wants to keep moving forward. 8 seasons in the premier league and we are still so stagnant with no obvious steps forward apart from the academy which is fantastic. If we go down what have we got to show for for the circa £1B come through the coffers?

I know there has to be a sense of realism of where we and what we are and have sensible and attainable expectations but if this is al we can aspire to then what’s the point of it all. Roy is only part of the problem.

I don't agree that the Pro Hodgson camp is happy to settle for what we currently have.I think we would all like to see more attractive football and look for incremental improvement rather than treading water as we do at present. I think you're on the right lines in your second paragraph though.

At the risk of continuing to repeat myself, Roy is the effect, not the cause of the problem.

 


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southnorwoodhill Flag 24 Jan 21 10.26am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Do you really think he resigned out of his own free will?

He is a national embarrassment and had there was no way he was going to keep his job as England manager. He knew he was going to get sacked and ripped appart by the media, rightly so on both counts too. Jumped before he was pushed.

If he had any dignity he'd have left after the first round world cup exit.

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"I don't have any intention to resign," said Hodgson, 66. "I've been really happy with the way the players have responded to the work we've done."

Hodgson saying he was happy - despite our worst ever word cup performance. Out in the first round after two games, then drawing with Costa Rica.

Edited by jeeagles (24 Jan 2021 8.25am)

Croydon Roy obviously lives in his own little universe, here's something from his Blackburn days courtesy of Wikipedia:

As Hodgson later explained, Blackburn's owner gave him the chance to resign honourably, but he refused to do so, leaving the club with no option but to dismiss him: "To Blackburn's honour, Jack Walker wanted me to resign, he wanted to still pay for the rest of my contract. He said, 'Why don't you resign? You've had enough, it's not working out.' I refused to do that, arrogant of course as I was in those days. I thought if they stuck with me I'd save them from relegation. I do think that the players were very much still with me, so I couldn't resign because that would be a suggestion that in some way I was doing something or something was happening which I didn't see to be the case or the truth. I gave him no choice but to sack me".[34] His final game was a home defeat by Southampton.[

Edited by southnorwoodhill (24 Jan 2021 10.32am)

 

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PatrickA Flag London 24 Jan 21 10.51am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

The quotes in the last two posts are illustrative and demonstrate why Hodgson can be seen as arrogant and deluded.
If the players buy into his methods (which they have to do to be selected) he seems to think that means he’s doing a good job, even when those methods lead to the results and performances over the last year.
Many will argue the results and performances will still be enough to keep us up and that’s the only measure that counts.
Others would disagree and are concerned that he’s like the boxer that stays for one fight too long and is stuck in a time warp in his approach to the game.

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 24 Jan 21 10.56am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

The quotes in the last two posts are illustrative and demonstrate why Hodgson can be seen as arrogant and deluded.
If the players buy into his methods (which they have to do to be selected) he seems to think that means he’s doing a good job, even when those methods lead to the results and performances over the last year.
Many will argue the results and performances will still be enough to keep us up and that’s the only measure that counts.
Others would disagree and are concerned that he’s like the boxer that stays for one fight too long and is stuck in a time warp in his approach to the game.

Put yourself in his shoes. Think along these lines ;

Your tried and trusted methods enable you to achieve your objective.

You have no intention of retiring while you are still getting satisfaction from your job. In other words, you want to keep your job.

Where's the incentive to change ?

 


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PatrickA Flag London 24 Jan 21 11.02am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I accept that this would be Hodgson’s view absolutely.
And this leads me to be concerned that he will continue indefinitely unless the club take a strategic long term view.
Parish is a forward thinking guy so let’s see what emerges.

 

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