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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Jan 21 11.12am
I have spoken to Fulham supporters and they have been fulsome in their praise of Mr Hodgson and what he achieved at their club. Whilst Fulham were organised and 'Shape' was important he did not adopt an ultra-defensive approach to games. At Fulham he had Nevland,Litmanen,Gera and Teymourian on his books, also Danny Murphy, and amongst his signings were Andy Johnson and Bobby Zamora.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Jan 21 11.12am

I have spoken to Fulham supporters and they have been fulsome in their praise of Mr Hodgson and what he achieved at their club.

Whilst Fulham were organised and 'Shape' was important he did not adopt an ultra-defensive approach to games.
At Fulham he had Nevland,Litmanen,Gera and Teymourian on his books, also Danny Murphy, and amongst his signings were Andy Johnson and Bobby Zamora.

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 24 Jan 21 11.36am
Originally posted by MonsterMunch Times moves on and Shrewsbury at home was a different era. I think that’s the crux of the two camps of palace fans those happy to settle for what we currently have and those that want to see the club at least have a plan or strategy of how it wants to keep moving forward. 8 seasons in the premier league and we are still so stagnant with no obvious steps forward apart from the academy which is fantastic. If we go down what have we got to show for for the circa £1B come through the coffers? I know there has to be a sense of realism of where we and what we are and have sensible and attainable expectations but if this is al we can aspire to then what’s the point of it all. Roy is only part of the problem. Sure. As I said earlier in the thread I’m frustrated by some of the football and think that certain of the performances this season have been concerning. But if we wind back three and a half years we lost four of our last five games under Allardyce and then had de Boer embark on his one man pre-season mission to wreck our Premier League status. So a further three years in the Premier including beating the likes of Chelsea, United, City and Arsenal without having look over our shoulder too much isn’t all bad. As you allude to, player investment hasn’t been great and a recent discussion on here regarding how many of our current squad would make top ten sides didn’t yield many positive answers.
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Originally posted by MonsterMunch

Times moves on and Shrewsbury at home was a different era. I think that’s the crux of the two camps of palace fans those happy to settle for what we currently have and those that want to see the club at least have a plan or strategy of how it wants to keep moving forward. 8 seasons in the premier league and we are still so stagnant with no obvious steps forward apart from the academy which is fantastic. If we go down what have we got to show for for the circa £1B come through the coffers?

I know there has to be a sense of realism of where we and what we are and have sensible and attainable expectations but if this is al we can aspire to then what’s the point of it all. Roy is only part of the problem.

Sure. As I said earlier in the thread I’m frustrated by some of the football and think that certain of the performances this season have been concerning.

But if we wind back three and a half years we lost four of our last five games under Allardyce and then had de Boer embark on his one man pre-season mission to wreck our Premier League status. So a further three years in the Premier including beating the likes of Chelsea, United, City and Arsenal without having look over our shoulder too much isn’t all bad.

As you allude to, player investment hasn’t been great and a recent discussion on here regarding how many of our current squad would make top ten sides didn’t yield many positive answers.

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MonsterMunch Cambridge 24 Jan 21 11.54am
Originally posted by Willo There might be a significant amount of our supporters who believe that Mr Hodgson having met his objectives and kept us in the PL for successive seasons should not be referred to in terms that assert he is part of a "Problem". Quite. That’s the thing about opinions.
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Cambridge 24 Jan 21 11.54am

Originally posted by Willo

There might be a significant amount of our supporters who believe that Mr Hodgson having met his objectives and kept us in the PL for successive seasons should not be referred to in terms that assert he is part of a "Problem".

Quite. That’s the thing about opinions.

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MonsterMunch Cambridge 24 Jan 21 12.00pm
Originally posted by Willo I have spoken to Fulham supporters and they have been fulsome in their praise of Mr Hodgson and what he achieved at their club. Whilst Fulham were organised and 'Shape' was important he did not adopt an ultra-defensive approach to games. At Fulham he had Nevland,Litmanen,Gera and Teymourian on his books, also Danny Murphy, and amongst his signings were Andy Johnson and Bobby Zamora. I’m sure they have. They should have fond memories of him for having taken them to European cup final and an fa cup quarter final. Not quite the same heady heights seen at palace.
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Cambridge 24 Jan 21 12.00pm

Originally posted by Willo

I have spoken to Fulham supporters and they have been fulsome in their praise of Mr Hodgson and what he achieved at their club.

I’m sure they have. They should have fond memories of him for having taken them to European cup final and an fa cup quarter final. Not quite the same heady heights seen at palace.

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southnorwoodhill 24 Jan 21 12.17pm
Originally posted by Willo There might be a significant amount of our supporters who believe that Mr Hodgson having met his objectives and kept us in the PL for successive seasons should not be referred to in terms that assert he is part of a "Problem". There may be, there may not. Has there been a survey of some sort?
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Originally posted by Willo

There may be, there may not. Has there been a survey of some sort?

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PatrickA London 24 Jan 21 12.28pm
The most recent poll I have seen was some weeks ago on the other forum. At that time 50% was in favour of him going immediately, 15% in favour of keeping him indefinitely with the remainder willing to move him if results didn't improve. I can't say that's representative of the whole fan base, and obviously the latest result at the time of the poll can have have an adverse/positive effect. But it does indicate a level of disquiet that may surprise the Hodgson evangelists.
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London 24 Jan 21 12.28pm

The most recent poll I have seen was some weeks ago on the other forum.
At that time 50% was in favour of him going immediately, 15% in favour of keeping him indefinitely with the remainder willing to move him if results didn't improve.
I can't say that's representative of the whole fan base, and obviously the latest result at the time of the poll can have have an adverse/positive effect.
But it does indicate a level of disquiet that may surprise the Hodgson evangelists.

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jeeagles 24 Jan 21 1.13pm
Originally posted by Willo I have spoken to Fulham supporters and they have been fulsome in their praise of Mr Hodgson and what he achieved at their club. Whilst Fulham were organised and 'Shape' was important he did not adopt an ultra-defensive approach to games. At Fulham he had Nevland,Litmanen,Gera and Teymourian on his books, also Danny Murphy, and amongst his signings were Andy Johnson and Bobby Zamora. Worth noting they weren't an efficiently run club, Al-Fayed had been chucking money at the team for years in order to buy a passport. They spent far beyond their means. We can't do that, and I wouldn't like us to do that either. I dislike the handouts mentally some fans have more than I dislike Roy.
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24 Jan 21 1.13pm

Originally posted by Willo

I have spoken to Fulham supporters and they have been fulsome in their praise of Mr Hodgson and what he achieved at their club.

Worth noting they weren't an efficiently run club, Al-Fayed had been chucking money at the team for years in order to buy a passport.

They spent far beyond their means. We can't do that, and I wouldn't like us to do that either. I dislike the handouts mentally some fans have more than I dislike Roy.

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southnorwoodhill 24 Jan 21 1.14pm
Originally posted by PatrickA The most recent poll I have seen was some weeks ago on the other forum. At that time 50% was in favour of him going immediately, 15% in favour of keeping him indefinitely with the remainder willing to move him if results didn't improve. I can't say that's representative of the whole fan base, and obviously the latest result at the time of the poll can have have an adverse/positive effect. But it does indicate a level of disquiet that may surprise the Hodgson evangelists. Thanks. I may be mistaken, but I don't think there would be many objections to Hodgson's immediate departure if the right person was already lined up to take over.
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24 Jan 21 1.14pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

Thanks. I may be mistaken, but I don't think there would be many objections to Hodgson's immediate departure if the right person was already lined up to take over.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Jan 21 1.22pm
Originally posted by MonsterMunch I’m sure they have. They should have fond memories of him for having taken them to European cup final and an fa cup quarter final. Not quite the same heady heights seen at palace. Successes not on the back of dull defensive performances lacking in vim,vigour,pace and energy due to advancing years.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Jan 21 1.22pm

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

I’m sure they have. They should have fond memories of him for having taken them to European cup final and an fa cup quarter final. Not quite the same heady heights seen at palace.

Successes not on the back of dull defensive performances lacking in vim,vigour,pace and energy due to advancing years.

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joe_cpfc Basingstoke 24 Jan 21 1.40pm
Originally posted by PatrickA The most recent poll I have seen was some weeks ago on the other forum. At that time 50% was in favour of him going immediately, 15% in favour of keeping him indefinitely with the remainder willing to move him if results didn't improve. I can't say that's representative of the whole fan base, and obviously the latest result at the time of the poll can have have an adverse/positive effect. But it does indicate a level of disquiet that may surprise the Hodgson evangelists. That was probably my fault. I was sitting there for 2 hours solid refreshing the page and hitting the sack immediately button.
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Basingstoke 24 Jan 21 1.40pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

That was probably my fault. I was sitting there for 2 hours solid refreshing the page and hitting the sack immediately button.

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MonsterMunch Cambridge 24 Jan 21 1.54pm
Originally posted by Willo Successes not on the back of dull defensive performances lacking in vim,vigour,pace and energy due to advancing years. The age of our squad is certainly a contributing factor but in my opinion to lay that solely as the justification for Hodgsons awful performances is too far for me. He’s had players and discarded them, currently doing the same with Riedewald. To me it’s clear the ‘type’ of players he will play centrally through midfield. He plays nearly all of them every game. I believe you are giving Roy far too much credit. I certainly don’t believe if he had a Bruno Fernandes type player he would trust them through the middle. He’s barely attempted to add any creativity centrally in his time with us.
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Cambridge 24 Jan 21 1.54pm

Originally posted by Willo

Successes not on the back of dull defensive performances lacking in vim,vigour,pace and energy due to advancing years.

The age of our squad is certainly a contributing factor but in my opinion to lay that solely as the justification for Hodgsons awful performances is too far for me. He’s had players and discarded them, currently doing the same with Riedewald. To me it’s clear the ‘type’ of players he will play centrally through midfield. He plays nearly all of them every game. I believe you are giving Roy far too much credit. I certainly don’t believe if he had a Bruno Fernandes type player he would trust them through the middle. He’s barely attempted to add any creativity centrally in his time with us.

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Elphers40 Sunny South Coast 24 Jan 21 4.11pm
I kind of understand why Roy sets us up negativity against the big boys - but against the rest is baffling. Even more baffling is a total unwillingness to adapt in anyway when things aren’t going to plan. We just don’t seem to play on the front foot against anyone and if we do get our noses in front we revert to a defensive shape - rather than kill the game off. It’s this unwavering negative approach (particularly when we have some exciting players at the club) that has led to many hoping for a change. I find myself watching the pre match press conferences wondering why I’m bothering as it’s the same as every other conference, dull. Just like many of our performances- mainly dull with the odd flash of interest...... but mostly dull. I am very appreciative of the stability Roy has brought to the club but I hate the brand of football being played by us - it’s defensive and dull, no width, no tempo, no movement and no real purpose. We need a new direction and with the nucleus of a decent group of players we can be a lot better than we are.
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Sunny South Coast 24 Jan 21 4.11pm

I kind of understand why Roy sets us up negativity against the big boys - but against the rest is baffling. Even more baffling is a total unwillingness to adapt in anyway when things aren’t going to plan.
We just don’t seem to play on the front foot against anyone and if we do get our noses in front we revert to a defensive shape - rather than kill the game off. It’s this unwavering negative approach (particularly when we have some exciting players at the club) that has led to many hoping for a change.
I find myself watching the pre match press conferences wondering why I’m bothering as it’s the same as every other conference, dull.
Just like many of our performances- mainly dull with the odd flash of interest...... but mostly dull.
I am very appreciative of the stability Roy has brought to the club but
I hate the brand of football being played by us - it’s defensive and dull, no width, no tempo, no movement and no real purpose.

We need a new direction and with the nucleus of a decent group of players we can be a lot better than we are.

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