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sprites Auckland 29 Jun 22 11.17am
Originally posted by taylors lovechild Mateta is a goal-scoring forward, I think the question is around other parts of his play. Last season he had a goal every 230 minutes and that is pretty much his record throughout his career. If he is our main striker from the start next season I think he'll bag 12-15 goals. Wilf also scores regularly. If we have a solid pairing at the base of the midfield then Olise and Eze might also get more freedom. If Bentenke or Edouard were to go then I think we might sign another centre-forward/striker, but otherwise I don't think we will. A club our size can't afford to have four senior PL strikers when we only play one. Sorry, with respect, that's total tosh. He's woefully inept at this level and we absolutely HAVE to bring in another if we want to move forward. In an ideal world, someone like Mateta is a 3rd choice striker who you thrown on as a hail mary.

sprites

Auckland 29 Jun 22 11.17am

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Mateta is a goal-scoring forward, I think the question is around other parts of his play. Last season he had a goal every 230 minutes and that is pretty much his record throughout his career. If he is our main striker from the start next season I think he'll bag 12-15 goals. Wilf also scores regularly. If we have a solid pairing at the base of the midfield then Olise and Eze might also get more freedom.

If Bentenke or Edouard were to go then I think we might sign another centre-forward/striker, but otherwise I don't think we will. A club our size can't afford to have four senior PL strikers when we only play one.

Sorry, with respect, that's total tosh. He's woefully inept at this level and we absolutely HAVE to bring in another if we want to move forward. In an ideal world, someone like Mateta is a 3rd choice striker who you thrown on as a hail mary.

ambrose7 Croydon 29 Jun 22 11.28am
Originally posted by sprites Sorry, with respect, that's total tosh. He's woefully inept at this level and we absolutely HAVE to bring in another if we want to move forward. In an ideal world, someone like Mateta is a 3rd choice striker who you thrown on as a hail mary. 24th in the Premier League last season for goals per 90 minutes suggests he isn't woefully inept. [Link] Ahead of Jesus, Toney, Bowen, Richarlison, Watkins, Ings, Raphinha, Maupay, Antonio .... Serious question - how much do you think the club would need to spend to buy a forward who is a clear upgrade on the 3 we have, and, assuming the club has £30m set aside for Doucoure and Aribo, how would you raise those additional funds for a forward of that calibre? Who are you not signing, and/or who are you selling? 26th January 2010 - Enter Administration 2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough 1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds 7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.

ambrose7

Croydon 29 Jun 22 11.28am

Originally posted by sprites

24th in the Premier League last season for goals per 90 minutes suggests he isn't woefully inept.

[Link]

Ahead of Jesus, Toney, Bowen, Richarlison, Watkins, Ings, Raphinha, Maupay, Antonio ....

Serious question - how much do you think the club would need to spend to buy a forward who is a clear upgrade on the 3 we have, and, assuming the club has £30m set aside for Doucoure and Aribo, how would you raise those additional funds for a forward of that calibre?

Who are you not signing, and/or who are you selling?

26th January 2010 - Enter Administration
2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough
1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds
7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.

Spiderman Horsham 29 Jun 22 11.35am
Originally posted by rossboss29 To be fair he did mention Ebiowei a couple of times very early Doesn’t suit his anti Dazza agenda

Spiderman

Horsham 29 Jun 22 11.35am

Originally posted by rossboss29

To be fair he did mention Ebiowei a couple of times very early

Doesn’t suit his anti Dazza agenda

Spiderman Horsham 29 Jun 22 11.37am
Originally posted by sprites Sorry, with respect, that's total tosh. He's woefully inept at this level and we absolutely HAVE to bring in another if we want to move forward. In an ideal world, someone like Mateta is a 3rd choice striker who you thrown on as a hail mary. He is not woefully inept at this level. Can you produce evidence to substantiate your claim

Spiderman

Horsham 29 Jun 22 11.37am

Originally posted by sprites

He is not woefully inept at this level. Can you produce evidence to substantiate your claim

CrazyBadger Ware 29 Jun 22 11.44am
Originally posted by sprites Sorry, with respect, that's total tosh. He's woefully inept at this level and we absolutely HAVE to bring in another if we want to move forward. In an ideal world, someone like Mateta is a 3rd choice striker who you thrown on as a hail mary. He only got a decent run this year, in which time he improved no end. It's too early to write him off; people want instant gratification and results with new players. Some need time to bed in to a team - Strikers more than most, as they are mostly dependant on supply. This coming season will be his (and Edouards) to prove himself. if by next Summer nothing's changed, then is the time to look for a different option. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

CrazyBadger

Ware 29 Jun 22 11.44am

Originally posted by sprites

He only got a decent run this year, in which time he improved no end. It's too early to write him off; people want instant gratification and results with new players. Some need time to bed in to a team - Strikers more than most, as they are mostly dependant on supply.

This coming season will be his (and Edouards) to prove himself. if by next Summer nothing's changed, then is the time to look for a different option.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

MrRobbo Chaldon 29 Jun 22 12.04pm
Originally posted by sprites Sorry, with respect, that's total tosh. He's woefully inept at this level and we absolutely HAVE to bring in another if we want to move forward. In an ideal world, someone like Mateta is a 3rd choice striker who you thrown on as a hail mary. Ok, simple question. Who do we replace him with and how much will he cost?

MrRobbo

Chaldon 29 Jun 22 12.04pm

Originally posted by sprites

Ok, simple question. Who do we replace him with and how much will he cost?

The groover Danbury 29 Jun 22 12.08pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger He only got a decent run this year, in which time he improved no end. It's too early to write him off; people want instant gratification and results with new players. Some need time to bed in to a team - Strikers more than most, as they are mostly dependant on supply. This coming season will be his (and Edouards) to prove himself. if by next Summer nothing's changed, then is the time to look for a different option. Totally agree. Forwards take time to fully develop their skills. Both Mateta and Edouard still have 2-3 years of improvement and from what I have seen both could become very useful. Especially Edouard who has tremendous touch and skill. Writing off strikers too early is IMO a mistake. We sold Collymore for £100K. That worked out well!!! Our management team must have seen something they liked with these guys. Lets see how they go this season.

The groover

Danbury 29 Jun 22 12.08pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

This coming season will be his (and Edouards) to prove himself. if by next Summer nothing's changed, then is the time to look for a different option.

Totally agree. Forwards take time to fully develop their skills. Both Mateta and Edouard still have 2-3 years of improvement and from what I have seen both could become very useful. Especially Edouard who has tremendous touch and skill.

Writing off strikers too early is IMO a mistake. We sold Collymore for £100K. That worked out well!!!

Our management team must have seen something they liked with these guys. Lets see how they go this season.

The Dolphin 29 Jun 22 1.39pm
Mateta will come good this season - no need for another centre forward with him and Edouard. Southampton trying to muscle in on Levi Colwill apparently - however - I suspect he would rather stay in London with Palace than go to a cowshed on the coast!

The Dolphin

29 Jun 22 1.39pm

Mateta will come good this season - no need for another centre forward with him and Edouard.
Southampton trying to muscle in on Levi Colwill apparently - however - I suspect he would rather stay in London with Palace than go to a cowshed on the coast!

Painter Croydon 29 Jun 22 1.39pm
Originally posted by ambrose7 24th in the Premier League last season for goals per 90 minutes suggests he isn't woefully inept. [Link] Ahead of Jesus, Toney, Bowen, Richarlison, Watkins, Ings, Raphinha, Maupay, Antonio .... Serious question - how much do you think the club would need to spend to buy a forward who is a clear upgrade on the 3 we have, and, assuming the club has £30m set aside for Doucoure and Aribo, how would you raise those additional funds for a forward of that calibre? Who are you not signing, and/or who are you selling? Remember last summer, people were chomping at the bit to get Adam Armstrong from Blackburn, luckily he choose Southampton and went on to score a total of 2 goals for them all season. Getting a prolific goal scorer in our price range is virtually impossible.

Painter

Croydon 29 Jun 22 1.39pm

Originally posted by ambrose7

24th in the Premier League last season for goals per 90 minutes suggests he isn't woefully inept.

[Link]

Ahead of Jesus, Toney, Bowen, Richarlison, Watkins, Ings, Raphinha, Maupay, Antonio ....

Who are you not signing, and/or who are you selling?

Remember last summer, people were chomping at the bit to get Adam Armstrong from Blackburn, luckily he choose Southampton and went on to score a total of 2 goals for them all season.

Getting a prolific goal scorer in our price range is virtually impossible.

taylors lovechild 29 Jun 22 2.13pm
Originally posted by sprites Sorry, with respect, that's total tosh. He's woefully inept at this level and we absolutely HAVE to bring in another if we want to move forward. In an ideal world, someone like Mateta is a 3rd choice striker who you thrown on as a hail mary. My point was he scores goals = he is a goal-scoring forward. He was in the Bundesliga and when he's been given minutes he's scored for us at a regular rate. That's the black and white of it. Subjectively, he knows where the goal is and gets his shots away. But, that is not to say I think he is amazing. His hold-up play needs a lot of work, he is prone to looking like a giraffe and he makes mistakes. Clinton talks a lot about him. He says how he thought he wouldn't make it when he arrived but that he's completely changed his mind on him. You can see defenders don't enjoy playing against him because he's so large and ungainly. He is definitely an anomaly.

taylors lovechild

29 Jun 22 2.13pm

Originally posted by sprites

My point was he scores goals = he is a goal-scoring forward. He was in the Bundesliga and when he's been given minutes he's scored for us at a regular rate. That's the black and white of it. Subjectively, he knows where the goal is and gets his shots away. But, that is not to say I think he is amazing. His hold-up play needs a lot of work, he is prone to looking like a giraffe and he makes mistakes. Clinton talks a lot about him. He says how he thought he wouldn't make it when he arrived but that he's completely changed his mind on him. You can see defenders don't enjoy playing against him because he's so large and ungainly. He is definitely an anomaly.

CrazyBadger Ware 29 Jun 22 2.23pm
Originally posted by Painter Remember last summer, people were chomping at the bit to get Adam Armstrong from Blackburn, luckily he choose Southampton and went on to score a total of 2 goals for them all season. Getting a prolific goal scorer in our price range is virtually impossible. Gotta apply the same rule to Armstrong; 2nd season he has to prove himself. Seems as though Mateta has had the better Start of the 2 - but he's been here Longer, Remember. Better to compare to Edouard, who - without checking the fact - has had a much more similiar season to Armstrong. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

CrazyBadger

Ware 29 Jun 22 2.23pm

Originally posted by Painter

Remember last summer, people were chomping at the bit to get Adam Armstrong from Blackburn, luckily he choose Southampton and went on to score a total of 2 goals for them all season.

Getting a prolific goal scorer in our price range is virtually impossible.

Gotta apply the same rule to Armstrong; 2nd season he has to prove himself.
Seems as though Mateta has had the better Start of the 2 - but he's been here Longer, Remember.
Better to compare to Edouard, who - without checking the fact - has had a much more similiar season to Armstrong.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 29 Jun 22 2.44pm
Originally posted by sprites Sorry, with respect, that's total tosh. He's woefully inept at this level and we absolutely HAVE to bring in another if we want to move forward. In an ideal world, someone like Mateta is a 3rd choice striker who you thrown on as a hail mary. “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Lanzo-Ad

Lanzarote 29 Jun 22 2.44pm

Originally posted by sprites

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 29 Jun 22 2.45pm
Originally posted by Fatherken We seem to be after [ and got ] a lot of midfield and defensive players what we really need is a goal scoring forward “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Lanzo-Ad

Lanzarote 29 Jun 22 2.45pm

Originally posted by Fatherken

We seem to be after [ and got ] a lot of midfield and defensive players what we really need is a goal scoring forward

Painter Croydon 29 Jun 22 6.13pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger Gotta apply the same rule to Armstrong; 2nd season he has to prove himself. Seems as though Mateta has had the better Start of the 2 - but he's been here Longer, Remember. Better to compare to Edouard, who - without checking the fact - has had a much more similiar season to Armstrong. Not really, apart from amount of time played. Edouard 261 minutes between goals average of time played Armstrong 708 minutes between goals average of time played. Armstrongs value has gone down, Edouard stayed the same.

Painter

Croydon 29 Jun 22 6.13pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Not really, apart from amount of time played.

Edouard 261 minutes between goals average of time played
Armstrong 708 minutes between goals average of time played.

Armstrongs value has gone down, Edouard stayed the same.

rikz Croydon 29 Jun 22 9.05pm
Originally posted by ambrose7 24th in the Premier League last season for goals per 90 minutes suggests he isn't woefully inept. [Link] Ahead of Jesus, Toney, Bowen, Richarlison, Watkins, Ings, Raphinha, Maupay, Antonio .... Serious question - how much do you think the club would need to spend to buy a forward who is a clear upgrade on the 3 we have, and, assuming the club has £30m set aside for Doucoure and Aribo, how would you raise those additional funds for a forward of that calibre? Who are you not signing, and/or who are you selling? And the majority of players in front of mateta play for the top 6, just shows how hard it is to find a consistent scorer in this league, im happy with our striking options definitely wouldn't be looking for a forward this window, I would like eduoard to be given more minutes at 9 next season as I don't think his had a fair chance yet.

rikz

Croydon 29 Jun 22 9.05pm

Originally posted by ambrose7

24th in the Premier League last season for goals per 90 minutes suggests he isn't woefully inept.

[Link]

Ahead of Jesus, Toney, Bowen, Richarlison, Watkins, Ings, Raphinha, Maupay, Antonio ....

Who are you not signing, and/or who are you selling?

And the majority of players in front of mateta play for the top 6, just shows how hard it is to find a consistent scorer in this league, im happy with our striking options definitely wouldn't be looking for a forward this window, I would like eduoard to be given more minutes at 9 next season as I don't think his had a fair chance yet.

Scoots Davidson, NC 29 Jun 22 9.46pm
FWIW, I think the re-tooled midfield and continued growth to the PV style, we will see better play up front instead of always relying upon 1-2 guys to make a spectacular play. We will get increased growth in the midfield play with more threats spreading the scoring opportunities more widely. Stay by the PV plan of wants.

Scoots

Davidson, NC 29 Jun 22 9.46pm

FWIW, I think the re-tooled midfield and continued growth to the PV style, we will see better play up front instead of always relying upon 1-2 guys to make a spectacular play.

We will get increased growth in the midfield play with more threats spreading the scoring opportunities more widely. Stay by the PV plan of wants.

sprites Auckland 29 Jun 22 9.55pm
Originally posted by Spiderman He is not woefully inept at this level. Can you produce evidence to substantiate your claim Evidence, not really. But I understand the game of football and have two eyes...I'd have thought others who share the same ability would share my views. He's like a drunk giraffe in the headlights. He works harder than the other two, I'll give him that. But at this level, I think you need the quality to go with the work rate.

sprites

Auckland 29 Jun 22 9.55pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

He is not woefully inept at this level. Can you produce evidence to substantiate your claim

Evidence, not really. But I understand the game of football and have two eyes...I'd have thought others who share the same ability would share my views. He's like a drunk giraffe in the headlights.

He works harder than the other two, I'll give him that. But at this level, I think you need the quality to go with the work rate.

sprites Auckland 29 Jun 22 9.58pm
Originally posted by ambrose7 24th in the Premier League last season for goals per 90 minutes suggests he isn't woefully inept. [Link] Ahead of Jesus, Toney, Bowen, Richarlison, Watkins, Ings, Raphinha, Maupay, Antonio .... Serious question - how much do you think the club would need to spend to buy a forward who is a clear upgrade on the 3 we have, and, assuming the club has £30m set aside for Doucoure and Aribo, how would you raise those additional funds for a forward of that calibre? Who are you not signing, and/or who are you selling? Serious answer, I don't know. But personally I'd be spending our money in that area, instead of others. Think we could get by with one quality addition to midfield (say, Doucoure). I don't think we can get by with another season on giraffe being our #1 striker...as PV clearly doesn't rate Tekkers and Eduoard.

sprites

Auckland 29 Jun 22 9.58pm

Originally posted by ambrose7

24th in the Premier League last season for goals per 90 minutes suggests he isn't woefully inept.

[Link]

Ahead of Jesus, Toney, Bowen, Richarlison, Watkins, Ings, Raphinha, Maupay, Antonio ....

Who are you not signing, and/or who are you selling?

Serious answer, I don't know. But personally I'd be spending our money in that area, instead of others. Think we could get by with one quality addition to midfield (say, Doucoure). I don't think we can get by with another season on giraffe being our #1 striker...as PV clearly doesn't rate Tekkers and Eduoard.

sprites Auckland 29 Jun 22 9.59pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin Mateta will come good this season - no need for another centre forward with him and Edouard. Southampton trying to muscle in on Levi Colwill apparently - however - I suspect he would rather stay in London with Palace than go to a cowshed on the coast! Disagree entirely. But that's okay...that's what forums are for

sprites

Auckland 29 Jun 22 9.59pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Disagree entirely.

But that's okay...that's what forums are for

Robk 29 Jun 22 10.07pm
Your on your own it seems....Mateta has improved no end and will continue to do so...wouldn’t be surprised if him and Wilf end up as our top scorers ...

Robk

29 Jun 22 10.07pm

Your on your own it seems....Mateta has improved no end and will continue to do so...wouldn’t be surprised if him and Wilf end up as our top scorers ...

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