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PatrickA London 18 Mar 23 8.47am
The way we’ve been playing in recent months I did not feel confident we would get the likely necessary 3 wins and few draws to stay up under Vieira. As for the winnable future games I look at the last few months where we have failed to beat Everton, Forest, Fulham, Brentford , Southampton and Villa and couldn’t feel confident about future games either. To win games you often need to score two goals and we’ve been struggling to even score one goal in games under Vieira . The brief for the manager for the remainder of the season is clear. Find a way to get us scoring some goals to give us an opportunity to win some games. Try and instil some backbone into the team so we don’t go missing against the likes of Villa and Brighton after falling a goal behind. I have some concerns about whether Roy (if it’s him) has the tools available in the current squad to play the counter attacking football which he had last time. There was PVA , Townsend, Zaha and Schlupp available to allow us to counter attack. The former 2 have left and the latter 2 no longer have the same pace.

PatrickA

London 18 Mar 23 8.47am

The way we’ve been playing in recent months I did not feel confident we would get the likely necessary 3 wins and few draws to stay up under Vieira.
As for the winnable future games I look at the last few months where we have failed to beat Everton, Forest, Fulham, Brentford , Southampton and Villa and couldn’t feel confident about future games either.
To win games you often need to score two goals and we’ve been struggling to even score one goal in games under Vieira .

The brief for the manager for the remainder of the season is clear.
Find a way to get us scoring some goals to give us an opportunity to win some games.
Try and instil some backbone into the team so we don’t go missing against the likes of Villa and Brighton after falling a goal behind.
I have some concerns about whether Roy (if it’s him) has the tools available in the current squad to play the counter attacking football which he had last time.
There was PVA , Townsend, Zaha and Schlupp available to allow us to counter attack.
The former 2 have left and the latter 2 no longer have the same pace.

Painter Croydon 18 Mar 23 8.47am
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill Parish has to keep putting a sticking plaster over his previous errors of judgement, running round like the plate spinning circus act desperate to keep the plates aloft. Roy held the fort, nothing more. Actually he was saved by the lockdown, the gruel he served up wouldn't have been tolerated in front of a crowd. And now Patrick Vieira is the latest victim of poor planning and what is highly frustrating is that we were very nearly there last season with a competitive team capable of trading blows with the best. At that point investment in the right areas of the pitch to cover those players that had left would have held us in good stead. Frankly I can't see any investor or potential manager coming here while Parish is still at the helm. The sooner he sells his stake and f***s off into the sunset the better for all involved. Only a desperado would want to manage here given Parish's previous history. I guess you won't be applying then. All out of work managers are desperate.

Painter

Croydon 18 Mar 23 8.47am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Parish has to keep putting a sticking plaster over his previous errors of judgement, running round like the plate spinning circus act desperate to keep the plates aloft.
Roy held the fort, nothing more. Actually he was saved by the lockdown, the gruel he served up wouldn't have been tolerated in front of a crowd. And now Patrick Vieira is the latest victim of poor planning and what is highly frustrating is that we were very nearly there last season with a competitive team capable of trading blows with the best. At that point investment in the right areas of the pitch to cover those players that had left would have held us in good stead.
Frankly I can't see any investor or potential manager coming here while Parish is still at the helm. The sooner he sells his stake and f***s off into the sunset the better for all involved.
Only a desperado would want to manage here given Parish's previous history.

I guess you won't be applying then.

All out of work managers are desperate.

Far away fan On the border of jungle 18 Mar 23 8.49am
It's not about decent manager but coaching staff at Palace was useless like want to be friends not properly training, Ray Lewington I spelt wrong I know is a excellent coach, if Ray was manager I'd be OK

Far away fan

On the border of jungle 18 Mar 23 8.49am

It's not about decent manager but coaching staff at Palace was useless like want to be friends not properly training, Ray Lewington I spelt wrong I know is a excellent coach, if Ray was manager I'd be OK

Canterbury Palace Whitstable 18 Mar 23 8.52am
Roy would be an utterly depressing appointment who would serve absolutely no purpose as far as I'm concerned. Let's not forget that our problem is an inability to score goals, he's the manager you appoint when you can't defend. If we appoint him we should have just kept Vieira. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

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Whitstable 18 Mar 23 8.52am

Roy would be an utterly depressing appointment who would serve absolutely no purpose as far as I'm concerned. Let's not forget that our problem is an inability to score goals, he's the manager you appoint when you can't defend. If we appoint him we should have just kept Vieira.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

johnny the eagle wivenhoe 18 Mar 23 8.53am
Originally posted by Wright stuff Please not Roy, his time has been. I do not think it is worth appointing a Manager with 11 games to go & who in their right mind would want to take on such a position, only someone looking for a fast buck Let Paddy McCarthy give it go with guidance from whoever is left within, the people who understand the Club & how it works. In the meantime look for a suitable replacement including half a squad of players & hopefully if we stay up we are ready for the next season. None of this last minute.com from previous years which has left us in the position we find ourselves in now! The trouble is where is the guidance left within coming from. I've said in other threads that lack of investment has been a major problem at this club for years, and, I stick by that. We ain't had a decent striker since Glenn Murray, that ain't any manager's fault, that is the fault of the board. Hodgson ain't the answer either, that is just standing still, or going backwards. It pains me to say it, but, take a look at br1-3on. To progress in this big boys game investment is needed, and, a decent scouting system, we, don't have either. Edited by johnny the eagle (18 Mar 2023 9.00am) South London born and bred red and blue till im dead.

johnny the eagle

wivenhoe 18 Mar 23 8.53am

Originally posted by Wright stuff

Please not Roy, his time has been. I do not think it is worth appointing a Manager with 11 games to go & who in their right mind would want to take on such a position, only someone looking for a fast buck
Let Paddy McCarthy give it go with guidance from whoever is left within, the people who understand the Club & how it works.
In the meantime look for a suitable replacement including half a squad of players & hopefully if we stay up we are ready for the next season. None of this last minute.com from previous years which has left us in the position we find ourselves in now!

The trouble is where is the guidance left within coming from. I've said in other threads that lack of investment has been a major problem at this club for years, and, I stick by that. We ain't had a decent striker since Glenn Murray, that ain't any manager's fault, that is the fault of the board. Hodgson ain't the answer either, that is just standing still, or going backwards. It pains me to say it, but, take a look at br1-3on. To progress in this big boys game investment is needed, and, a decent scouting system, we, don't have either.

Edited by johnny the eagle (18 Mar 2023 9.00am)

South London born and bred
red and blue till im dead.

esox lucius Deal 18 Mar 23 8.56am
Dear god, has it really come to this, have we no more ambition than to re-employ Roy. Roy did his job, for which we are eternally grateful, but to bring him back would be madness, please NO a thousand times NO

esox lucius

Deal 18 Mar 23 8.56am

Dear god, has it really come to this, have we no more ambition than to re-employ Roy. Roy did his job, for which we are eternally grateful, but to bring him back would be madness, please NO a thousand times NO

Painter Croydon 18 Mar 23 9.25am
Originally posted by Canterbury Palace Roy would be an utterly depressing appointment who would serve absolutely no purpose as far as I'm concerned. Let's not forget that our problem is an inability to score goals, he's the manager you appoint when you can't defend. If we appoint him we should have just kept Vieira. Roy in the current situation is the perfect stop gap appointment until the end of the season to ensure we stay up. Then a full time appointment can be made in the summer. It cant be a depressing as no wins in 12 and adversity to shoot at goal under Vieira. He knows the club and most of the players.

Painter

Croydon 18 Mar 23 9.25am

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

Roy in the current situation is the perfect stop gap appointment until the end of the season to ensure we stay up. Then a full time appointment can be made in the summer. It cant be a depressing as no wins in 12 and adversity to shoot at goal under Vieira.
He knows the club and most of the players.

HesHereHesThere Beckenham 18 Mar 23 9.30am
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill Parish has to keep putting a sticking plaster over his previous errors of judgement, running round like the plate spinning circus act desperate to keep the plates aloft. Roy held the fort, nothing more. Actually he was saved by the lockdown, the gruel he served up wouldn't have been tolerated in front of a crowd. And now Patrick Vieira is the latest victim of poor planning and what is highly frustrating is that we were very nearly there last season with a competitive team capable of trading blows with the best. At that point investment in the right areas of the pitch to cover those players that had left would have held us in good stead. Frankly I can't see any investor or potential manager coming here while Parish is still at the helm. The sooner he sells his stake and f***s off into the sunset the better for all involved. Only a desperado would want to manage here given Parish's previous history. Agreed - this might be post of the day for me. Edited by HesHereHesThere (18 Mar 2023 9.36am)

HesHereHesThere

Beckenham 18 Mar 23 9.30am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Agreed - this might be post of the day for me.

Edited by HesHereHesThere (18 Mar 2023 9.36am)

MonsterMunch Cambridge 18 Mar 23 9.34am
How utterly depressing if the Roy news is true. If Watford is anything to go by we are down. Big risk for Parish if Roy takes us down. He will lose a lot of support for this appointment whether you agree with the merits of it or not. Conceding goals wasn’t the issue with Pat. Can Roy walk back in the doors and the boys will play for him, will he get that reaction/bounce.. I can’t see it. If this is the route we go I believe we are down.

MonsterMunch

Cambridge 18 Mar 23 9.34am

How utterly depressing if the Roy news is true. If Watford is anything to go by we are down.

Big risk for Parish if Roy takes us down. He will lose a lot of support for this appointment whether you agree with the merits of it or not. Conceding goals wasn’t the issue with Pat. Can Roy walk back in the doors and the boys will play for him, will he get that reaction/bounce.. I can’t see it. If this is the route we go I believe we are down.

PJEagle London 18 Mar 23 9.38am
Originally posted by Canterbury Palace Roy would be an utterly depressing appointment who would serve absolutely no purpose as far as I'm concerned. Let's not forget that our problem is an inability to score goals, he's the manager you appoint when you can't defend. If we appoint him we should have just kept Vieira. De facto Paddy is going to be in charge until someone else comes in. The longer the board takes, the longer Paddy will have to make his case

PJEagle

London 18 Mar 23 9.38am

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

De facto Paddy is going to be in charge until someone else comes in. The longer the board takes, the longer Paddy will have to make his case

HesHereHesThere Beckenham 18 Mar 23 9.40am
If Hodgson gets the job then the only way Parish will get the message is by people fvcking it off - a half empty Selhurst will wake him up but it will be too late. The clubs a fvcking joke and has been for a while.

HesHereHesThere

Beckenham 18 Mar 23 9.40am

If Hodgson gets the job then the only way Parish will get the message is by people fvcking it off - a half empty Selhurst will wake him up but it will be too late.

The clubs a fvcking joke and has been for a while.

Dancer Cat Farnborough 18 Mar 23 9.42am
Originally posted by fish mitten I’m forever grateful for what Roy Hodgson done for this club. An impeccable gentleman, nice guy and good manager for us at the time. Do I want him to come back. No. Why? 1. For his sake I don’t want him to come back and tarnish his reputation by possibly being the manager in charge if we go down. I think he got away with Watford as they were as good as down when he took over, and it’s a basket case of a club. 2. When he was here, he had a lot of older seasoned professionals who he could respond to his form of coaching. We now have 6-7 quality players, a few who are squad players, a few who are past it from injury, age or attitude and some youngsters who aren’t deemed good enough. The right back, left back and striker options are worst then Roy was here and Zaha is no longer as effective. I’m not sure he’s the right man. 3. We need to think long term. Get in a short term appointment and the board will spend all summer on a manager recruitment, leaving it once again to the last minute to get players in. And whatever division we are in this squad needs a serious overhaul in the summer. Last thing we need is to ill prepared for the start of the season again! Thinking about it, this squad needs such a overhaul that I think we have to consider that we may well go down because we went into this season poorly prepared and there is now nothing that can be done to stop that. Get in a manager, who will stick around no matter what division we are in and let him have more input In recruitment and support him. Exactly what we should have done with Vieira. No point having a putting a plaster on it attitude anymore. If the board isn’t prepared or can’t afford to invest in the squad, consider that going down, regrouping and planning coming back better prepared may be what we will have to do. We have papered over the cracks for too long. Excellent post. Spot on, in my opinion.

Dancer Cat

Farnborough 18 Mar 23 9.42am

Originally posted by fish mitten

I’m forever grateful for what Roy Hodgson done for this club. An impeccable gentleman, nice guy and good manager for us at the time.
Do I want him to come back. No. Why?

1. For his sake I don’t want him to come back and tarnish his reputation by possibly being the manager in charge if we go down. I think he got away with Watford as they were as good as down when he took over, and it’s a basket case of a club.
2. When he was here, he had a lot of older seasoned professionals who he could respond to his form of coaching. We now have 6-7 quality players, a few who are squad players, a few who are past it from injury, age or attitude and some youngsters who aren’t deemed good enough. The right back, left back and striker options are worst then Roy was here and Zaha is no longer as effective. I’m not sure he’s the right man.
3. We need to think long term. Get in a short term appointment and the board will spend all summer on a manager recruitment, leaving it once again to the last minute to get players in. And whatever division we are in this squad needs a serious overhaul in the summer. Last thing we need is to ill prepared for the start of the season again!

Thinking about it, this squad needs such a overhaul that I think we have to consider that we may well go down because we went into this season poorly prepared and there is now nothing that can be done to stop that.

Get in a manager, who will stick around no matter what division we are in and let him have more input In recruitment and support him. Exactly what we should have done with Vieira.

No point having a putting a plaster on it attitude anymore. If the board isn’t prepared or can’t afford to invest in the squad, consider that going down, regrouping and planning coming back better prepared may be what we will have to do. We have papered over the cracks for too long.

Excellent post.

Spot on, in my opinion.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Mar 23 9.43am
Originally posted by HesHereHesThere If Hodgson gets the job then the only way Parish will get the message is by people fvcking it off - a half empty Selhurst will wake him up but it will be too late. The clubs a fvcking joke and has been for a while. Only for a hundred years or so mate. With some bits in between. Red and Blue Army!

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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Mar 23 9.43am

Originally posted by HesHereHesThere

If Hodgson gets the job then the only way Parish will get the message is by people fvcking it off - a half empty Selhurst will wake him up but it will be too late.

The clubs a fvcking joke and has been for a while.

Only for a hundred years or so mate. With some bits in between.

Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Mar 23 9.45am
Originally posted by PJEagle De facto Paddy is going to be in charge until someone else comes in. The longer the board takes, the longer Paddy will have to make his case I really hope Paddy gets results - will be brilliant and refreshing. Paddy the new Pep. Red and Blue Army!

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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Mar 23 9.45am

Originally posted by PJEagle

De facto Paddy is going to be in charge until someone else comes in. The longer the board takes, the longer Paddy will have to make his case

I really hope Paddy gets results - will be brilliant and refreshing. Paddy the new Pep.

Red and Blue Army!

MonsterMunch Cambridge 18 Mar 23 9.49am
Originally posted by Dancer Cat Excellent post. Spot on, in my opinion. Agree with your post. If things do go from bad to worse Roy will get dogs abuse and it will be toxic. He does not deserve this and I don’t want to see that either. As you reference in your post I hope he rejects this role to protect his legacy with us.

MonsterMunch

Cambridge 18 Mar 23 9.49am

Originally posted by Dancer Cat

Excellent post.

Spot on, in my opinion.

Agree with your post. If things do go from bad to worse Roy will get dogs abuse and it will be toxic. He does not deserve this and I don’t want to see that either. As you reference in your post I hope he rejects this role to protect his legacy with us.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Mar 23 9.55am
Klopp will be available soon. The gegenpress with this lot, good luck. Red and Blue Army!

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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Mar 23 9.55am

Klopp will be available soon. The gegenpress with this lot, good luck.

Red and Blue Army!

Eaglecoops CR3 18 Mar 23 10.00am
Originally posted by Painter Roy in the current situation is the perfect stop gap appointment until the end of the season to ensure we stay up. Then a full time appointment can be made in the summer. It cant be a depressing as no wins in 12 and adversity to shoot at goal under Vieira. He knows the club and most of the players. Simple question, why? Roy is a defensive coach and defence hasn’t been our issue. So how do you think he is going to magic wins out of the hat? Genuine question.

Eaglecoops

CR3 18 Mar 23 10.00am

Originally posted by Painter

Roy in the current situation is the perfect stop gap appointment until the end of the season to ensure we stay up. Then a full time appointment can be made in the summer. It cant be a depressing as no wins in 12 and adversity to shoot at goal under Vieira.
He knows the club and most of the players.

Simple question, why?

Roy is a defensive coach and defence hasn’t been our issue. So how do you think he is going to magic wins out of the hat? Genuine question.

Terry Ven 18 Mar 23 10.01am
Originally posted by MonsterMunch Agree with your post. If things do go from bad to worse Roy will get dogs abuse and it will be toxic. He does not deserve this and I don’t want to see that either. As you reference in your post I hope he rejects this role to protect his legacy with us. I think that should say WHEN things go from bad to worse... We obviously should have stuck with Viera and so be it if we got relegated. Then give him the chance ro rebuild in the Championship the and return to the Prem on a more stable footing. We might not like it but we have to take a look at what the Weeds have done down the road; there is no short term fixes going in there, they are building a long term project

Terry Ven

18 Mar 23 10.01am

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

I think that should say WHEN things go from bad to worse... We obviously should have stuck with Viera and so be it if we got relegated. Then give him the chance ro rebuild in the Championship the and return to the Prem on a more stable footing. We might not like it but we have to take a look at what the Weeds have done down the road; there is no short term fixes going in there, they are building a long term project

Terry Ven 18 Mar 23 10.03am
Originally posted by Terry Ven I think that should say WHEN things go from bad to worse... We obviously should have stuck with Viera and so be it if we got relegated. Then give him the chance to rebuild in the Championship and return to the Prem on a more stable footing. We might not like it but we have to take a look at what the Weeds have done down the road; there is no short term fixes going in there, they are building a long term project

Terry Ven

18 Mar 23 10.03am

Originally posted by Terry Ven

I think that should say WHEN things go from bad to worse... We obviously should have stuck with Viera and so be it if we got relegated. Then give him the chance to rebuild in the Championship and return to the Prem on a more stable footing. We might not like it but we have to take a look at what the Weeds have done down the road; there is no short term fixes going in there, they are building a long term project

The Yorkshire Eagle Great Ouseburn, N Yorkshire 18 Mar 23 10.04am
WHAT IF ? WHAT IF Eduard had got is header on target v Brighton? WHAT IF Mateta’s shot v Citeh had gone under the bar? WHAT IF we hadn’t allowed Brentford to score in the 96 min? Life is full of WHAT IF’s, but had the above been different, none of the panto of this week would have happened and we may still have a potential top manager and us fickle fans would be on a high - given that we’d be more or less safe. However, none of the above suddenly made PV a bad manager, and certainly not one worthy of sacking. If anything Eduard and Mateta should be sacked for under performing, not the manager! Anyways, what is done is done and Roy is a logical, if not a popular, short term option. He knows the club and players inside out and they will respect him. As long as the ‘Parish Council’ use the remainder of the season to recruit a decent replacement who, maybe can work with Roy, toward the end of the season and into the summer break, or take over as and when Roy’s tenure is terminated, then I for one will be less down hearted. I hope the team give us something to lift the spirit in the coming weeks... a shock result at the Emirates tomorrow would do the trick... and pigs might suddenly fly. Good luck to PV where err he go, and to your successor. COYP !

The Yorkshire Eagle

Great Ouseburn, N Yorkshire 18 Mar 23 10.04am

WHAT IF ?

WHAT IF Eduard had got is header on target v Brighton?
WHAT IF Mateta’s shot v Citeh had gone under the bar?
WHAT IF we hadn’t allowed Brentford to score in the 96 min?

Life is full of WHAT IF’s, but had the above been different, none of the panto of this week would have happened and we may still have a potential top manager and us fickle fans would be on a high - given that we’d be more or less safe.
However, none of the above suddenly made PV a bad manager, and certainly not one worthy of sacking. If anything Eduard and Mateta should be sacked for under performing, not the manager!

Anyways, what is done is done and Roy is a logical, if not a popular, short term option. He knows the club and players inside out and they will respect him. As long as the ‘Parish Council’ use the remainder of the season to recruit a decent replacement who, maybe can work with Roy, toward the end of the season and into the summer break, or take over as and when Roy’s tenure is terminated, then I for one will be less down hearted.

I hope the team give us something to lift the spirit in the coming weeks... a shock result at the Emirates tomorrow would do the trick... and pigs might suddenly fly.

Good luck to PV where err he go, and to your successor.

COYP !

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