Not on this one, nope. It's an objective 'one' not a subjective 'one'.

Segues everywhere

'What I don't accept is that people on the right are treated the same as those on the left by the constabulary or by the media.'

You'd have to look at the data in more detail to actually work out whether this was true or not. Otherwise all it is is a belief driven by ideological bias (either way). You might be able to be deterministic about things like this without proper analysis or evidence but that's not my bag. You'd have to provide some stats on volume of arrests cut by political persuasion, for example, and then I might be able to form a more deterministic conclusion.

Until then, it's just theory and opinion, so maybe present it like that instead of fact?[/quote]

Facts?

That is such a lefty tactic.

Show me where these 'facts' are available. Prove to me that they are not purposefully prejudiced by the people recording them.

Good luck.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Oct 2023 9.49am)

Are you suggesting water should be free?

The onus is on you to show evidence – you're the one presenting your theory as fact. It's not a 'lefty' tactic, it's simple objectivity

Nothing wrong with thinking that people on the right are not treated the same, but that's opinion. You can't then start presenting it as cold hard fact, and then unable to back up with any evidence.

You may well be right, but as you've not denied that your views are shaped by partisan dogma then forgive me for taking a cynics eye.

Back to the topic – I'm still waiting for a quote from Packham directly inciting criminality and violence.

I'm also still waiting for a concession that (paraphrased) 'lefty activists don't get visits from police' is untrue.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (05 Oct 2023 10.01am)

Surely water is a basic human right and should be free?

(Paraphrased) was there for a reason

And, no you didn't ask if I thought a leftist would have been arrested in Fox's situation. Here's what you said

'Do you really think that a Left wing activist would get a visit from the police?'

Answer – yes. Not because of what I think, because of what is observably true. 'Lefty activists' get arrested all the time.

I also never claimed that both sides are treated the same. What I did say is that you'd need to provide evidence. Evidence to suggest either side is disproportionately mistreated, in order to claim it as fact. I can't definitively say that they're treated equally, in fact to do so would be ridiculous, as it's highly unlikely by simple probability. I'd also be surprised if the stats showed there was a significant bias towards one or the other though, but that's just an assumption.

Until someone shares a well constructed case for either, I'm afraid one has to stay open minded. Doesn't prevent you taking a position though, just don't try and claim it as an absolute fact. It's just your opinion

Edited by SW19 CPFC (05 Oct 2023 10.17am)

haha nice try

As clearly shown earlier in the thread, lefty activists get visits from the police and arrested all the time.

I'm pointing out in between your segues that you're making deterministic statements that in some cases (lefty activists) are untrue, and you're unable to counter that so choose to deflect. That's up to you, but not particularly forthright.

Maybe get your ducks in a row and bring some evidence to back up your absolutism next time before posting? Or at the very least concede your own failings.