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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 19 6.37pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 I didn't say he was mentioned but I'm telling you he was raising the issue of grooming gangs before the authority's raised the alarm bells. You might not like him but he was right and I don't think you like it that he is right and talks about hard facts What I like is for things to be done in the correct way so that they can be effectively dealt with and not made worse. If you think the enquiries only resulted from one person's campaign, I don't. There was more than enough local action to do it. What I dislike are people using events like these to stir up emotions, inflame passions and cause possible retributions all in the cause of a wider political agenda. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 19 6.37pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I didn't say he was mentioned but I'm telling you he was raising the issue of grooming gangs before the authority's raised the alarm bells.
You might not like him but he was right and I don't think you like it that he is right and talks about hard facts

What I like is for things to be done in the correct way so that they can be effectively dealt with and not made worse. If you think the enquiries only resulted from one person's campaign, I don't. There was more than enough local action to do it.

What I dislike are people using events like these to stir up emotions, inflame passions and cause possible retributions all in the cause of a wider political agenda.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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cpfc_chap koh samui 29 Apr 19 6.39pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 'Luckily the EU funded a wall which has stopped people pouring in to the EU' The wall is between Turkey and Syria, neither of which are in the EU. Correct we stop them from entering Turkey as Turkey would not stop them from carrying on into Europe!
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koh samui 29 Apr 19 6.39pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'Luckily the EU funded a wall which has stopped people pouring in to the EU'

The wall is between Turkey and Syria, neither of which are in the EU.

Correct we stop them from entering Turkey as Turkey would not stop them from carrying on into Europe!

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Teddy Eagle 29 Apr 19 6.52pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You need to learn to read and not make assumptions. All I said was that I noticed a particular place being busy on a what I remembered being a Saturday and people then assumed ignorance. It may well be that it really was a Saturday and it was for some kind of kids party, or other event. It could be that my memory was faulty and it was a Friday. What it doesn't mean is that I am unaware that the Islamic holy day is a Friday. It is very instructive how people have jumped onto a very minor remark and tried to blow it up into some kind of international crisis. Reminds me of Trump like diversion tactics designed to shift the focus away from arguments they know they have lost. Don’t take it personally. The Muslim population of Cornwall is 0.16% so no need to be that informed about their practices.
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29 Apr 19 6.52pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You need to learn to read and not make assumptions. All I said was that I noticed a particular place being busy on a what I remembered being a Saturday and people then assumed ignorance. It may well be that it really was a Saturday and it was for some kind of kids party, or other event. It could be that my memory was faulty and it was a Friday. What it doesn't mean is that I am unaware that the Islamic holy day is a Friday.

It is very instructive how people have jumped onto a very minor remark and tried to blow it up into some kind of international crisis. Reminds me of Trump like diversion tactics designed to shift the focus away from arguments they know they have lost.

Don’t take it personally. The Muslim population of Cornwall is 0.16% so no need to be that informed about their practices.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 19 7.00pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Life is never simple. I won't lie and say that I'm glad we welcomed these people here. For me, this kind of policy is an accident waiting to happen. I would favour deportation for any first or second generation criminal and that should be part of the agreement with any county that they come from. Why should we pay to keep these people in prison when many of us didn't want them here in the first place. We were right. So just why did we welcome "these" people here? Assuming you primarily mean people originally from pakistan and Bangladesh and not refugees from the middle east. I am not so sure it was a deliberate policy but more a legacy of the right to British citizenship previously granted to all Commonwealth country citizens, which has been eroded over time. I confess I am no expert on this and would have to research the details. The fact though remains that we are where we are and we need to handle things as they are, and not as they might have been. Returning first generation immigrants who commit crime seems sensible to me, although there is always the likelihood of appeals based on the possibility of the country they would go to being unsafe. Second generation immigrants who only hold a British passport present a much bigger challenge. Whether you like it, or not, "these" people are now our people and we need to find ways to re-orientate them to become useful and peace loving citizens. As I see this already happening with large numbers of "these" people I am far from without hope. We need to be ruthless with any criminal activity and very encouraging to all those who embrace our culture. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Apr 2019 7.04pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 19 7.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Life is never simple.

I won't lie and say that I'm glad we welcomed these people here. For me, this kind of policy is an accident waiting to happen.
I would favour deportation for any first or second generation criminal and that should be part of the agreement with any county that they come from.

Why should we pay to keep these people in prison when many of us didn't want them here in the first place.

We were right.

So just why did we welcome "these" people here? Assuming you primarily mean people originally from pakistan and Bangladesh and not refugees from the middle east.

I am not so sure it was a deliberate policy but more a legacy of the right to British citizenship previously granted to all Commonwealth country citizens, which has been eroded over time. I confess I am no expert on this and would have to research the details.

The fact though remains that we are where we are and we need to handle things as they are, and not as they might have been.

Returning first generation immigrants who commit crime seems sensible to me, although there is always the likelihood of appeals based on the possibility of the country they would go to being unsafe. Second generation immigrants who only hold a British passport present a much bigger challenge.

Whether you like it, or not, "these" people are now our people and we need to find ways to re-orientate them to become useful and peace loving citizens. As I see this already happening with large numbers of "these" people I am far from without hope. We need to be ruthless with any criminal activity and very encouraging to all those who embrace our culture.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Apr 2019 7.04pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 19 7.11pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So just why did we welcome "these" people here? Assuming you primarily mean people originally from pakistan and Bangladesh and not refugees from the middle east. I am not so sure it was a deliberate policy but more a legacy of the right to British citizenship previously granted to all Commonwealth country citizens, which has been eroded over time. I confess I am no expert on this and would have to research the details. The fact though remains that we are where we are and we need to handle things as they are, and not as they might have been. Returning first generation immigrants who commit crime seems sensible to me, although there is always the likelihood of appeals based on the possibility of the country they would go to being unsafe. Second generation immigrants who only hold a British passport present a much bigger challenge. Whether you like it, or not, "these" people are now our people and we need to find ways to re-orientate them to become useful and peace loving citizens. As I see this already happening with large numbers of "these" people I am far from without hope. We need to be ruthless with any criminal activity and very encouraging to all those who embrace our culture. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Apr 2019 7.04pm) How pathetic are you trying to imply something by repeating 'these' in quotes. I have no problem pointing the finger at one group of people when they have been almost entirely responsible for an unprecedented multiple instance crime in this country. But you just keep on implying racism like a good apologist does.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So just why did we welcome "these" people here? Assuming you primarily mean people originally from pakistan and Bangladesh and not refugees from the middle east.

The fact though remains that we are where we are and we need to handle things as they are, and not as they might have been.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Apr 2019 7.04pm)

How pathetic are you trying to imply something by repeating 'these' in quotes.

I have no problem pointing the finger at one group of people when they have been almost entirely responsible for an unprecedented multiple instance crime in this country.

But you just keep on implying racism like a good apologist does.

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Spiderman Horsham 29 Apr 19 7.16pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Really....well we will soon get to see. I have a feeling that you'll soon find out how the majority of the country feels about your precious EU. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2019 4.40pm) I hope you have FACTS to back up this statement otherwise PP will be on to you to produce them
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Horsham 29 Apr 19 7.16pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Really....well we will soon get to see.

I have a feeling that you'll soon find out how the majority of the country feels about your precious EU.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2019 4.40pm)

I hope you have FACTS to back up this statement otherwise PP will be on to you to produce them

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dannyboy1978 29 Apr 19 7.17pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So just why did we welcome "these" people here? Assuming you primarily mean people originally from pakistan and Bangladesh and not refugees from the middle east. I am not so sure it was a deliberate policy but more a legacy of the right to British citizenship previously granted to all Commonwealth country citizens, which has been eroded over time. I confess I am no expert on this and would have to research the details. The fact though remains that we are where we are and we need to handle things as they are, and not as they might have been. Returning first generation immigrants who commit crime seems sensible to me, although there is always the likelihood of appeals based on the possibility of the country they would go to being unsafe. Second generation immigrants who only hold a British passport present a much bigger challenge. Whether you like it, or not, "these" people are now our people and we need to find ways to re-orientate them to become useful and peace loving citizens. As I see this already happening with large numbers of "these" people I am far from without hope. We need to be ruthless with any criminal activity and very encouraging to all those who embrace our culture. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Apr 2019 7.04pm) It's not for the host country to make the effort, and this is what the problem is.!
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29 Apr 19 7.17pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So just why did we welcome "these" people here? Assuming you primarily mean people originally from pakistan and Bangladesh and not refugees from the middle east.

The fact though remains that we are where we are and we need to handle things as they are, and not as they might have been.

Whether you like it, or not, "these" people are now our people and we need to find ways to re-orientate them to become useful and peace loving citizens. As I see this already happening with large numbers of "these" people I am far from without hope. We need to be ruthless with any criminal activity and very encouraging to all those who embrace our culture.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Apr 2019 7.04pm)

It's not for the host country to make the effort, and this is what the problem is.!

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Spiderman Horsham 29 Apr 19 7.23pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I have been involved both in employing people on work permits and twice on family visas. The work permit route is fraught with deception and fake certificates, which I discovered to my cost when a new employee, seemingly well qualified, had no idea at all about her specialist area. My first family experience was in 2002 and the second in 2016. The difference between them was indeed staggering, but not for the reasons you describe. It was 10 times tougher in 2016. Many more requirements and proofs needed and very much more expensive. That is surprising as when I worked overseas 1999-2002 we interviewed every applicant for any type of visa, this was stopped in 2002. Presumably no face to face interview though? Your scenario about employee does not surprise me, my brother worked in PR for a UK based US company and wanted my advice on an applicant from West Africa, all I could do was advise to be wary of any claimed qualifications....they employed him and turned out to be same problem as you encountered
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Horsham 29 Apr 19 7.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have been involved both in employing people on work permits and twice on family visas. The work permit route is fraught with deception and fake certificates, which I discovered to my cost when a new employee, seemingly well qualified, had no idea at all about her specialist area. My first family experience was in 2002 and the second in 2016. The difference between them was indeed staggering, but not for the reasons you describe. It was 10 times tougher in 2016. Many more requirements and proofs needed and very much more expensive.

That is surprising as when I worked overseas 1999-2002 we interviewed every applicant for any type of visa, this was stopped in 2002. Presumably no face to face interview though?
Your scenario about employee does not surprise me, my brother worked in PR for a UK based US company and wanted my advice on an applicant from West Africa, all I could do was advise to be wary of any claimed qualifications....they employed him and turned out to be same problem as you encountered

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Stirlingsays 29 Apr 19 7.27pm
Originally posted by Spiderman I hope you have FACTS to back up this statement otherwise PP will be on to you to produce them The latest poll is interesting. Farage is going to win. Imagine my shock. If he went for the Tory leadership when it comes up..... I think he'd stand a serious chance of winning. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2019 7.34pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Apr 19 7.27pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I hope you have FACTS to back up this statement otherwise PP will be on to you to produce them

The latest poll is interesting.

Farage is going to win.

Imagine my shock.

If he went for the Tory leadership when it comes up..... I think he'd stand a serious chance of winning.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2019 7.34pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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steeleye20 Croydon 29 Apr 19 7.48pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The latest poll is interesting. Farage is going to win. Imagine my shock. If he went for the Tory leadership when it comes up..... I think he'd stand a serious chance of winning. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2019 7.34pm) Farage is not a tory and clearly can not be their leader, really S. He has stood for parliament 7 times and never been elected. 'Fromage not Farage'
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Croydon 29 Apr 19 7.48pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The latest poll is interesting.

Farage is going to win.

Imagine my shock.

If he went for the Tory leadership when it comes up..... I think he'd stand a serious chance of winning.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2019 7.34pm)

Farage is not a tory and clearly can not be their leader, really S.

He has stood for parliament 7 times and never been elected.

'Fromage not Farage'

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Stirlingsays 29 Apr 19 7.55pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Farage is not a tory and clearly can not be their leader, really S. He has stood for parliament 7 times and never been elected. 'Fromage not Farage' If Farage wants it.....we will see what happens.....that election is a long way off in political terms. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2019 7.58pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

29 Apr 19 7.55pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Farage is not a tory and clearly can not be their leader, really S.

He has stood for parliament 7 times and never been elected.

'Fromage not Farage'

If Farage wants it.....we will see what happens.....that election is a long way off in political terms.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2019 7.58pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Spiderman Horsham 29 Apr 19 8.08pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Farage is not a tory and clearly can not be their leader, really S. He has stood for parliament 7 times and never been elected. 'Fromage not Farage' Due to some underhand dealing last time
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Horsham 29 Apr 19 8.08pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Farage is not a tory and clearly can not be their leader, really S.

He has stood for parliament 7 times and never been elected.

'Fromage not Farage'

Due to some underhand dealing last time

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