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 samprior  Hamburg 07 Jun 19 1.36pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I guess that's the point at which we'd disagree then. I do not want the majority of politicians in the UK to be rampant capitalists. I'd prefer a bit more balance and luckily for us we're allowed to vote to have our own small say on the matter.
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| samprior Hamburg 07 Jun 19 1.45pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So I'm struggling to see your point. I was making the point that there's cases of people on both sides equally guilty of mislabelling other groups through ignorance, intolerance or lack of understanding (and often a combination of the 3) in attempt for their own political gain/ego. Sometimes it's more of the latter. Edited by samprior (07 Jun 2019 1.45pm)
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jun 19 1.48pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I think extremists are fairly similar on all sides. The difference being that Leftist extremism has somehow become acceptable. I blame Hitler.
Yep, so many on the left are never taught the socialism part of national socialism because it doesn't fit with the narrative. Yep, Hitler said the easiest to flip to Fascism were the communists because similar to them they wanted to bring the current order down. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2019 1.49pm)
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jun 19 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by samprior
I was making the point that there's cases of people on both sides equally guilty of mislabelling other groups through ignorance, intolerance or lack of understanding (and often a combination of the 3) in attempt for their own political gain/ego. Sometimes it's more of the latter. Edited by samprior (07 Jun 2019 1.45pm) Yep, I think that's a fair enough and true point. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2019 1.51pm)
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jun 19 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by samprior
I guess that's the point at which we'd disagree then. I do not want the majority of politicians in the UK to be rampant capitalists. I'd prefer a bit more balance and luckily for us we're allowed to vote to have our own small say on the matter. Well, degrees of capitalist then? Surely you don't want people who don't believe in a capitalistic system in charge of a capitalistic country like this? How's that going to work?
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| samprior Hamburg 07 Jun 19 2.55pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, degrees of capitalist then? Surely you don't want people who don't believe in a capitalistic system in charge of a capitalistic country like this? How's that going to work? No for sure. I want a mixture as there's good to be found on most sides of the political divide. In my head I hope for a future system based on Green Capitalism... Just need to get my manifesto written up
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| elgrande bedford 07 Jun 19 3.14pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
On her Twitter profile, that protester describes herself as an "Intersectional Feminist, LGBT+, accused crazy cat lady, body positive, striving for equality." She runs a private company which provides 'clinical services' to the NHS. But she was protesting against Trump and a potential US trade deal that could lead to privatisation of the NHS! I read about this,oh the irony.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jun 19 3.17pm |
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Originally posted by samprior
No for sure. I want a mixture as there's good to be found on most sides of the political divide. In my head I hope for a future system based on Green Capitalism... Just need to get my manifesto written up
I see a future of radically different agricultural, farming and energy creation.
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| samprior Hamburg 07 Jun 19 5.23pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I see a future of radically different agricultural, farming and energy creation. I hope so too.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 07 Jun 19 6.30pm |
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Originally posted by samprior
I hope so too. Capitalism is the best solution to help the environment through innovation and competition. From Elon Musk's electric cars to LED light bulbs and USB drives.
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| Invalid user 2019 07 Jun 19 7.50pm |
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Originally posted by samprior
I quite like the sound of that. Right now, Green issues appear to be overly politicised left and right in very contrasting ways. Climate and technological realities exist outside of the framing of the issue though, and they will come to dictate and shape both our thinking and our world going forward.
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| dannyboy1978 08 Jun 19 8.04am |
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Trump knows how to get things done, I think history will be very kind to him unlike May's negotiation skills
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 19 10.39am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, so many on the left are never taught the socialism part of national socialism because it doesn't fit with the narrative. Yep, Hitler said the easiest to flip to Fascism were the communists because similar to them they wanted to bring the current order down. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2019 1.49pm) So this old chestnut raises it's head again, as it is by so many Trump supporters seeking to deny the parallels between his approach and that of the Nazis. You might like to read this account of the birth and development of the Nazi Party which comes from an authoritative and unbiased source:-
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| Stirlingsays 08 Jun 19 10.50am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So this old chestnut raises it's head again, as it is by so many Trump supporters seeking to deny the parallels between his approach and that of the Nazis. You might like to read this account of the birth and development of the Nazi Party which comes from an authoritative and unbiased source:- Read it. Ok, what part of that proved that the Nazis didn't implement socialism? He doesn't back up the contention that they weren't, he just says they weren't and then goes through a list of irrelevant events. The Nazis implemented socialist policies and that's a fact. No one forced them to implement them. No one is suggesting that they were leftists as they were the polar opposite. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2019 11.03am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 19 10.59am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Read it. Ok, what part of that proved that the Nazis didn't implement socialism? The Nazis implemented socialist policies and that's a fact. No one forced them to implement them. I sometimes wonder about you! Pretty much all of that article destroys any kind of defence that the Nazis were socialist in anything but name. If ever they "implemented socialist policies" then they did so solely to mislead people and promote an entirely different agenda. You want a part which confirms this? Read the whole article but this piece ought to be enough:- "To that end, he paid lip service to the tenets suggested by a name like National Socialist German Workers’ Party, but his primary—indeed, sole—focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda."
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| Stirlingsays 08 Jun 19 11.12am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I sometimes wonder about you! Pretty much all of that article destroys any kind of defence that the Nazis were socialist in anything but name. If ever they "implemented socialist policies" then they did so solely to mislead people and promote an entirely different agenda. You want a part which confirms this? Read the whole article but this piece ought to be enough:- "To that end, he paid lip service to the tenets suggested by a name like National Socialist German Workers’ Party, but his primary—indeed, sole—focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda." In what way did the Nazis pay lip to socialism? They expanded and implemented a national health service for Germans.....implemented better pensions They created and implemented day care for German children. They taxed the wealthy at far higher levels than previous administrations. I would agree however that Hitler's sole focus was on 'achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda'......that last part is an under statement considering they were responsible for the murder of millions of Jews and others they considered inferior. They believed in social darwinism and were violently anti communist. They were authoritarians at their core and while they shared many authoritarian traits with communists.....the largest difference was that they were based upon race while the communists were based upon class. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2019 11.14am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 19 11.29am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
In what way did the Nazis pay lip to socialism? What part of:- " his primary—indeed, sole—focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda." is hard to understand? What ever he did outside of his sole focus was merely lip service. That's what it means. It was simply using a tactical smokescreen. Selling the same snake oil that Trump offers but just with a different aroma and in new packaging. The Nazis weren't socialists. They used socialist tactics for their own purposes. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Jun 2019 11.30am)
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Teddy Eagle  08 Jun 19 11.33am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The Nazis weren't socialists. They used socialist tactics for their own purposes. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Jun 2019 11.30am) Unlike Stalin and Mao then?
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| Stirlingsays 08 Jun 19 11.36am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What part of:- " his primary—indeed, sole—focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda." is hard to understand? What ever he did outside of his sole focus was merely lip service. That's what it means. It was simply using a tactical smokescreen. Selling the same snake oil that Trump offers but just with a different aroma and in new packaging. The Nazis weren't socialists. They used socialist tactics for their own purposes. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Jun 2019 11.30am) I think your reply is further evidence that you don't read replies. Indeed I made the mistake in replying to someone who can't really participate much beyond their own world view. That's fine....I suppose....But Wisbech stop posting at me. You just don't have the tools and should stay in the mental lane you are capable of.....Similar to how you can't seem to post properly.
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