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 Cucking Funt  Clapham on the Back 02 Jun 17 5.37pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
It was decided at executive level that you needed a break.
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 elgrande bedford 02 Jun 17 5.41pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
What people have been posting things that proves labour isn't all roses and utopia.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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 Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jun 17 5.41pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Irony alert: Andrew Lansley, the shadow health secretary, said the Government's financial mismanagement had forced hospitals to make cuts which could risk lives. "These bed cuts were financially driven: the sharp rise in the numbers closed happened at a time when the health service was under desperate pressure to clear a massive deficit."
What's certainly the case now is that the NHS needs significant investment. We have far lower doctor ratios than most other OECD countries, declining nurse numbers and more and more demand. The % of GDP spent on health is also very low in international terms. If you were to fall ill you'd be well advised to hop on the Eurostar to Paris where you will received much better healthcare (I speak from personal experience). France has more doctors, more nurses and more investment. Could this desperate need come from the huge costs of PFI that Labour inflicted upon the NHS and the tax payer? You speak like Labour didn't close hospitals and waste loads of money on management. You need to face facts about the NHS instead of using it as a political tool.
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| elgrande bedford 02 Jun 17 5.43pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Yeah so have I.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jun 17 5.47pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Crying foul again? Becoming a bit of a habit. Typical socialist. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Jun 2017 5.47pm)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 02 Jun 17 5.51pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Tory attack ad misrepresents Corbyn views on IRA, says Labour. Widely shared video uses misleading edit of Corbyn’s interview on Sky News, cut to suggest he did not condemn bombing. Looks like its true and the part where Corbyn condemns all bombing is removed. In 2004 John McDonnell, Labour’s shadow chancellor, was given a special award by Sinn Fein and another IRA-supporting body for the “unfailing political and personal support he has given to the republican community in the Six Counties over many years.” The award was presented to him at a Sinn Fein fundraising dinner by Gerry Kelly, the IRA terrorist who bombed the Old Bailey, killing one and injuring almost 200. Kelly, now a senior Sinn Fein politician, also led the 1983 breakout of IRA inmates from the Maze prison, during which he shot a prison officer in the head. McDonnell also opposed the peace process negotiations to create a power-sharing assembly in what became the Good Friday Agreement. He said: “An assembly is not what people have laid down their lives for over thirty years … the settlement must be for a united Ireland.”
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jun 17 5.51pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
In terms of pure data public spending on health the facts are: 1997: 4.73% of GDP Make of that what you will. Pure data though can be misleading. Also number of doctors per 1000 population: 1997: 1.85
2000 (earliest available): 9.01
Doesn't really tell the whole story does it. It's about funding care in a way that doesn't bankrupt the organisation.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 02 Jun 17 5.57pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
In 2004 John McDonnell, Labour’s shadow chancellor, was given a special award by Sinn Fein and another IRA-supporting body for the “unfailing political and personal support he has given to the republican community in the Six Counties over many years.” The award was presented to him at a Sinn Fein fundraising dinner by Gerry Kelly, the IRA terrorist who bombed the Old Bailey, killing one and injuring almost 200. Kelly, now a senior Sinn Fein politician, also led the 1983 breakout of IRA inmates from the Maze prison, during which he shot a prison officer in the head. McDonnell also opposed the peace process negotiations to create a power-sharing assembly in what became the Good Friday Agreement. He said: “An assembly is not what people have laid down their lives for over thirty years … the settlement must be for a united Ireland.” I don't think you can 'doctor' a video like that H regardless. The problem is that it will have been widely circulated its quite serious I think.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 02 Jun 17 6.02pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I don't think you can 'doctor' a video like that H regardless. The problem is that it will have been widely circulated its quite serious I think. Diane Abbot, shadow Home Secretary (don't laugh) said regarding the IRA in the 1980s, "a defeat for the British state would be a great liberation".
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| steeleye20 Croydon 02 Jun 17 6.07pm |
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The Guardian has just come out backing labour for the election.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 02 Jun 17 6.08pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The Guardian has just come out backing labour for the election. Wow, what a surprise! I was convinced they would endorse UKIP.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| elgrande bedford 02 Jun 17 6.09pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The Guardian has just come out backing labour for the election. And in other news...bears really do s*** in the woods.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 02 Jun 17 6.12pm |
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Even their own candidates don't "believe".
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| Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jun 17 6.15pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The Guardian has just come out backing labour for the election. In other news.... A bear has taken a s*** in the woods.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jun 17 6.16pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
And in other news...bears really do s*** in the woods. Ha ha. You beat me.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Jun 17 6.16pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The Guardian has just come out backing labour for the election.
Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2017 6.16pm)
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| steeleye20 Croydon 02 Jun 17 6.21pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2017 6.16pm) A long and quite scathing statement worth a read.. Is it important? I don't think it is a labour paper and they will know things that we do not. An influential newspaper definitely not Corbynista.
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| legaleagle 02 Jun 17 6.39pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
In other news.... A bear has taken a s*** in the woods. In further news,a sh+t has barely hidden their prejudice? In 2010,the Guardian backed (if anyone) the Lib Dems so not as automatic as you might think..though granted never going to be Tories or to the right thereof.....
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NickinOX  Sailing country. 02 Jun 17 6.45pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Volker Ullrich in a biography of Hitler. I think it was more of a mix of flattery, charm, intimidation and other less nice traits that Hitler managed to gain a hold over Hindenburg. I'd be interested to read that so thank you for the tip. Both Evans' trilogy and Kershaw's two volume biography are well worth reading. Edited by NickinOX (02 Jun 2017 6.45pm)
If you come to a fork in the road, take it. |
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| legaleagle 02 Jun 17 6.48pm |
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Originally posted by NickinOX
Both Evans' trilogy and Kershaw's two volume biography are well worth reading. Edited by NickinOX (02 Jun 2017 6.45pm) I would also recommend Kershaw.
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